General Election (6 Viewers)

[Astute]

we're about to have someone in government who met with Northern Irish paramilitaries. Watch the hypocrisy meter go off the scale

we're about to have someone in government who met with Northern Irish paramilitaries. Watch the hypocrisy meter go off the scale

I would bet anything it will.

If you defended Corbyn you should defend this. But it won't happen because it isn't Labour this time.

 

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[torchomatic]

we're about to have someone in government who met with Northern Irish paramilitaries. Watch the hypocrisy meter go off the scale

Yeah but....yeah but...

 

[Captain Dart]

Percentage of the vote is one of the highest Labour have drawn in the past 35 years, too.

They got 40% Tories 42.5%, so not really. UK Election Statistics: 1918-2017 - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

 

[clint van damme]

I was after a yes or no cvd. Whats your answer?

No. Are the tories hypocrites seen as a member of their own party and an elected Councillor was in the provisional ira - yes or no.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yes a good result to what it could have been. But it could still have been much better.

But how can anyone be celebrating a good result when the Tories still came close to getting the majority with the pathetic election campaign they ran.

He got the highest share of the vote for Labour since 2001 and more MPs than Brown or Miliband. Not bad for someone who was supposed to cause the annihilation of the party.

 

[clint van damme]

I would bet anything it will.

If you defended Corbyn you should defend this. But it won't happen because it isn't Labour this time.

it doesn't bother me. I've seen heads of state meet and defend people much worse than the ira or the uda. Sometimes for the sake of a greater goal, or sometimes, just because they're cunts, (Thatcher Pinochet, Thather Pol Pot etc).

 

[Liquid Gold]

But don't you agree that someone like Starmer would have done better?

I'm not so sure. Corbyn has energised millions of young people that would have stayed at home before. I think Corbyn wants to move the leadership to someone else but only after changing the rules of the party so that left wing candidates can become leader after him. My preference would be Clive Lewis. Similar politics to Corbyn but has served in Afghanistan and has no skeletons that the media can pick up on.

 

[olderskyblue]

No. Are the tories hypocrites seen as a member of their own party and an elected Councillor was in the provisional ira - yes or no.

So, your earlier post about it not being current was bollocks then.

 

[Monners]

There is some proper squirming going on. Keep it up.

Anyway, the DUP are in town (or should I say the KKK) - I am going to learn to play the flute!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They got 40% Tories 42.5%, so not really? UK Election Statistics: 1918-2017 - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

Yes, really.

27.6% 1983; 30.8% 1987; 34.4% 1992; 43.2% 1997; 40.75 2001; 35.2% 2005; 29% 2010; 30.4% 2015; 40% 2017.

So third highest in that time.

 

[clint van damme]

So, your earlier post about it not being current was bollocks then.

No. It doesn't bother me. But seen as the tories made such a song and dance about corbyns links to Irish republicans isn't it hypocritical to have one as an elected councillor, yes or no?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm not so sure. Corbyn has energised millions of young people that would have stayed at home before. I think Corbyn wants to move the leadership to someone else but only after changing the rules of the party so that left wing candidates can become leader after him. My preference would be Clive Lewis. Similar politics to Corbyn but has served in Afghanistan and has no skeletons that the media can pick up on.

He would be strong but I would like to see a Scottish MP come to the fore so we have a shot at clawing back some of the 40 seats you could usually rely on. Ian Murray got a huge increase to his majority in Edinburgh, who knows.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Corbyn's links to the IRA don't count, but because the DUP are siding with the Tories, their links do.

Left wing mindset...

Corbyn's links were not good, and neither are these.

 

[Astute]

Yeah but....yeah but...

Are you going to defend them like you defended Corbyn?

I certainly am not. I want them involved as much as Corbyn. And I would guess that my opinion has been noticed by now.

 

[Ian1779]

Corbyn's links to the IRA don't count, but because the DUP are siding with the Tories, their links do.

Left wing mindset...

Corbyn's links were not good, and neither are these.

A mindset driven by a right wing press and their obsession... I doubt we will see the same level of scrutiny.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Corbyn's links to the IRA don't count, but because the DUP are siding with the Tories, their links do.

Left wing mindset...

Corbyn's links were not good, and neither are these.

I believe the point is, that if the gutter press wish to focus on a distorted view of the past, they should be condemning May lining up with a party with links to paramilitaries, with added homophobia as a bonus.

I look forward to tomorrow's front pages doing exactly that.

 

[clint van damme]

Corbyn's links to the IRA don't count, but because the DUP are siding with the Tories, their links do.

Left wing mindset...

Corbyn's links were not good, and neither are these.

no one has said any of that. You're imagining things. We're simply pointing out the hypocrisy. Which is rife.

As much as they're a bunch of bible bashing nut jobs, I'm hopeful they'll keep the tories in check, which probably tells you how low my opinion of the tory party is.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Corbyn's links to the IRA don't count, but because the DUP are siding with the Tories, their links do.

Left wing mindset...

Corbyn's links were not good, and neither are these.

You could equally say the right sating don't vote Corbyn he has IRA links then linking up with actual Unionist nutters is staggering hypocrisy.

If you look back on this thread I've not defended Corbyn on Ireland, I just think too much haas been made with the link and and sceptical.

Talking with them and inviting them into government are completely different things.

 

[Liquid Gold]

He would be strong but I would like to see a Scottish MP come to the fore so we have a shot at clawing back some of the 40 seats you could usually rely on. Ian Murray got a huge increase to his majority in Edinburgh, who knows.

Labour need to pivot themselves to being the unionist party in Scotland. It's a no brainer for me, SNP will always be predisposed to work with Labour in Westminster so for the left to swipe up both sides of the independent debate is a no brainer.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Labour need to pivot themselves to being the unionist party in Scotland. It's a no brainer for me, SNP will always be predisposed to work with Labour in Westminster so for the left to swipe up both sides of the independent debate is a no brainer.

The SNP have been virtually wiped out in their heartlands of the North East and rural Scotland because of Ruth Davidson. Time to stick it to them in the central belt with an unashamed progressive unionist Labour. Eilidh Whiteford, Alex Salmond, and Angus Robertson all ousted by Tories in one night-Sturgeon cannot ignore that. The nauseatingly arrogant Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh out too, I almost don't even mind they've been replaced by Tories-almost.

 

[Astute]

no one has said any of that. You're imagining things. We're simply pointing out the hypocrisy. Which is rife.

As much as they're a bunch of bible bashing nut jobs, I'm hopeful they'll keep the tories in check, which probably tells you how low my opinion of the tory party is.

The hypocrisy for me is defending one to the hilt and then saying another one shouldn't be happening. You shouldn't think one is OK because it is the party you vote for. Your principles should be the same whatever.

 

[olderskyblue]

No. It doesn't bother me. But seen as the tories made such a song and dance about corbyns links to Irish republicans isn't it hypocritical to have one as an elected councillor, yes or no?

No? you don't have a problem with Corbyn's links to the IRA, because it isn't "current" yet you do have a problem with Gerry Adams...

Look, it's quite simple. I have a problem with him being PM (or leader of Labour) because of his past. Clearly many don't. That's fine, I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise, but I do like to see consistent reasoning.

As far as Gatland is concerned, if I lived in her constituency, I wouldn't vote for her. if she was leader of the Tory Party, I wouldn't vote for her. The fact she became an informant on the IRA still doesn't change my view. So, I agree with you, it was hypocritical.

But, my views on this are not shaped by propaganda put out by the Tories or the press, it's just a personal thing. Deciding who to vote for clearly involves policies and what goes with them, but sometimes it's just a personal issue that swings you one way or t'other.

 

[rob9872]

He got the highest share of the vote for Labour since 2001 and more MPs than Brown or Miliband. Not bad for someone who was supposed to cause the annihilation of the party.

I agree. But, you can't all have it both ways. I'm seeing that Corbyn did a great job by losing and to quote "Not bad for someone who was supposed to cause the annihilation of the party" but also that May should resign and has been terrible etc etc and yet her figures are the highest polling results for the Conservatives for 25 years.

 

[rob9872]

I saw you mentioning Ruth Davidson above too - quite possibly the next pm imo

 

[torchomatic]

A few unhappy Little Englanders it seems.

 

[Ian1779]

I agree. But, you can't all have it both ways. I'm seeing that Corbyn did a great job by losing and to quote "Not bad for someone who was supposed to cause the annihilation of the party" but also that May should resign and has been terrible etc etc and yet her figures are the highest polling results for the Conservatives for 25 years.

She should resign for the simple fact that she called an unneccesary election to consolidate her 'power' and give her a mandate. Now she has neither.

One way or another she's toast. Every day she stays it will more push people towards Labour.

 

[Ian1779]

A few unhappy Little Englanders it seems.

Just out of curiosity.. what's your feelings on Corbyn now the election has happened?

 

[rob9872]

She should resign for the simple fact that she called an unneccesary election to consolidate her 'power' and give her a mandate. Now she has neither.

One way or another she's toast. Every day she stays it will more push people towards Labour.

... in your opinion

I think she'll see Brexit through as her legacy (rightly or wrongly) and then we'll see a new leader and possibly another election. That could take 18 months to 2 years and can't be destabilised, so don't expect another election just yet.

 

[Ian1779]

... in your opinion

I think she'll see Brexit through as her legacy (rightly or wrongly) and then we'll see a new leader and possibly another election. That could take 18 months to 2 years and can't be destabilised, so don't expect another election just yet.

You may well be right - but I think we can all agree that the only person that has destabilised that process is her.

 

[Astute]

A few unhappy Little Englanders it seems.

A very unhappy person who has voted Labour all my life more like.

I couldn't bring myself to vote for Corbyn yesterday. And I couldn't vote for anyone else either. There was just enough room to write Monster Raving Loony Party on the form. I then put a box on the end and put my X in it. Rather apt I would say.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree. But, you can't all have it both ways. I'm seeing that Corbyn did a great job by losing and to quote "Not bad for someone who was supposed to cause the annihilation of the party" but also that May should resign and has been terrible etc etc and yet her figures are the highest polling results for the Conservatives for 25 years.

To use the footballing analogy some have gone for here, Gary Johnson was sacked as manager of Latvia after beating San Marino 1-0. Yes he won the game and got 3 points but against such supposedly weak opposition and with much higher expectations than his opponent, the result is a gross disappointment. The stated aim of this exercise was to return a comfortable Tory majority-not only has this not been achieved but she is now relying on the God Squad to let her form a government.

Corbyn closed a 20 point gap in 6 weeks. If this election had another few weeks to run he may even have pipped them.

 

[Liquid Gold]

A few unhappy Little Englanders it seems.

Don't say "It's over you lost, get over it"

 

[Liquid Gold]

Let's hope this is the end of the odious Lynton Crosby.

 

[Astute]

Don't say "It's over you lost, get over it"

Everybody lost. There were no winners.

 

[dutchman]

Everybody lost. There were no winners.

The DUP probably wouldn't agree.