General Election (10 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

Tell you what, I'd vote for someone who believes in peace before someone who believes in bombing everyone to fuck.

 

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[clint van damme]

Would you be happy for those who help with the propaganda for ISIS to become a Labour leader in 30 years time?

did Corbyn help with Propaganda? I'm yet to see proof and the more I see it in the right wing press the less I believe it.
Unlike many, I didn't fall for their Hillsborough lies either.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

OK I understand. Corbyn is great and the rest of the Labour party are useless. He did it all by himself.

That isn't what I said is it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So the Labour MP's are clueless?

Seems some are, given that their popular vote has gone up by a third this election.

Seems some are, because this election has shown that a left-leaning manifesto looking out for workers and public services can have currency with the electorate, however personal people want to try and make it.

Seems some are, because it could hav been even better if they'd focussed on fighting the Tories rather than their leader.

Let's hope these lessons resonate, and things change in this parliament.

 

[Astute]

Tell you what, I'd vote for someone who believes in peace before someone who believes in bombing everyone to fuck.

So why was it that those who were involved in the peace agreement said that Corbyn wasn't involved?

 

[dutchman]

there still in government so yes.

They won't be able to get any legislation through because if just two or three Tory or DUP backbenchers disagree with something they can bring the government down.

There will be another election within months if not weeks and Corbyn will win it.

 

[Astute]

did Corbyn help with Propaganda? I'm yet to see proof and the more I see it in the right wing press the less I believe it.
Unlike many, I didn't fall for their Hillsborough lies either.

I know you didn't although I put links up showing it.

 

[torchomatic]

They won't be able to get any legislation through because if just two or three Tory or DUP backbenchers disagree with something they can bring the government down.

There will be another election within months if not weeks and Corbyn will win it.

October, I reckon.

 

[Astute]

They won't be able to get any legislation through because if just two or three Tory or DUP backbenchers disagree with something they can bring the government down.

There will be another election within months if not weeks and Corbyn will win it.

Corbyn might win. But the odds are someone decent like Starmer would win it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

October, I reckon.

Oi torch, this election changed your mind on Corbyn at all?

 

[Astute]

Seems some are, given that their popular vote has gone up by a third this election.

Seems some are, because this election has shown that a left-leaning manifesto looking out for workers and public services can have currency with the electorate, however personal people want to try and make it.

Seems some are, because it could hav been even better if they'd focussed on fighting the Tories rather than their leader.

Let's hope these lessons resonate, and things change in this parliament.

Or they know that someone other than Corbyn would be much better for their party.

They are MP's. They want what is best for them to keep pigging at the trough. They would want the best leader to keep them in a job.

 

[clint van damme]

I know you didn't although I put links up showing it.

the thing is it's a ridiculous question, would you vote for a labour leader who had carried out propaganda on behalf of isis - I mean come on!

And you put it out there as a smoke screen to cover tory hypocrisy.

But it's simple, will those who slated corbyn for meeting republicans do the same with May for meeting with Arlene Foster?

My positiion is clear, I didn't slate Corbyn for it and I won't slate May.

No doubt you'll focus on you ridiculous isis scenario to hide from the real issue.

 

[Astute]

Oi torch, this election changed your mind on Corbyn at all?

Are you saying that someone else couldn't have done better?

 

[torchomatic]

Oi torch, this election changed your mind on Corbyn at all?

Yes it has. It was the manifesto what swung it. Plus Momentum were nowhere to be seen. I was (still am a little) worried about Lansman and his cronies.

 

[Astute]

the thing is it's a ridiculous question, would you vote for a labour leader who had carried out propaganda on behalf of isis - I mean come on!

And you put it out there as a smoke screen to cover tory hypocrisy.

But it's simple, will those who slated corbyn for meeting republicans do the same with May for meeting with Arlene Foster?

My positiion is clear, I didn't slate Corbyn for it and I won't slate May.

No doubt you'll focus on you ridiculous isis scenario to hide from the real issue.

Tory hypocrisy?

What a joke. Just show me anywhere that I have said anything positive about the Tories.

 

[torchomatic]

My positiion is clear, I didn't slate Corbyn for it and I won't slate May.

No doubt you'll focus on you ridiculous isis scenario to hide from the real issue.

And one of the reasons I changed my mind on Corbyn. His.campaign was positive and focused on the issues. Meanwhile the Tories used the recent terrorist attacks for political gain, particularly over JCs reluctance to insinerate millions of.people.

 

[clint van damme]

Tory hypocrisy?

What a joke. Just show me anywhere that I have said anything positive about the Tories.

I'm not accusing you of been a tory, was just talking in general, but if you don't condemn May for teaming up with the DUP then you are a hypocrite.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Are you saying that someone else couldn't have done better?

Come on Astute, I know you don't like Corbyn but you have to put your hands up and say he's done incredibly well this election. The 2nd highest increase in the vote in the party's history. Campbell, Umuna and others have already praised Corbyn so why can't you accept it.

Maybe it's a generational thing but I can tell you now that swathes of the youth vote would have been nowhere near the Labour party if it wasn't for Corbyn. The Labour candidate in my seat got 66% of the vote with a 30% increase. I can guarantee that if it wasn't for Corbyn the seat would have gone Green this time around.

People on BBC news now being interviewed are repeating it, Corbyn, Corbyn, Corbyn as the reason they voted Labour.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yes it has. It was the manifesto what swung it. Plus Momentum were nowhere to be seen. I was (still am a little) worried about Lansman and his cronies.

I genuinely hope this election moves the social democratic party in this country to acting like one full-stop.

If the more ruthless career politicians can see it won't harm them as much as they feared and get on board, it could be the start of something.

Only concern is if that doesn't happen. There was a radio commentator earlier who said that Corbyn was generous enough of spirit to extend the olive branch to anybody... it was just if others on the left would be, too. Let's hope they are.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I genuinely hope this election moves the social democratic party in this country to acting like one full-stop.

If the more ruthless career politicians can see it won't harm them as much as they feared and get on board, it could be the start of something.

Only concern is if that doesn't happen. There was a radio commentator earlier who said that Corbyn was generous enough of spirit to extend the olive branch to anybody... it was just if others on the left would be, too. Let's hope they are.

A couple on the right of the party were ready to move against Corbyn today and they are gutted. I suspect one of them was Benn as he's nowhere to be seen, maybe even Phillips.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Are you saying that someone else couldn't have done better?

I was asking torch if this election had changed his mind on Corbyn at all, as he was critical beforehand, and I know him to be a Labour member.

Fucking hell, talk about trying to read something into nothing. No wonder 'I condemn all bombings and acts of terorism' gets the response it seems to...

 

[skybluetony176]

They won't be able to get any legislation through because if just two or three Tory or DUP backbenchers disagree with something they can bring the government down.

There will be another election within months if not weeks and Corbyn will win it.

Not strictly true. There will be 7 Sinn Fein MP's who wont take their seats so will never vote against or for the ruling government. The key word being against. How ever small the majority is with the DUP/Tory alliance one thing they will never have is 7 opposition MP's voting against them and that swings in their favor not the oppositions.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Not strictly true. There will be 7 Sinn Fein MP's who wont take their seats so will never vote against or for the ruling government. The key word being against. How ever small the majority is with the DUP/Tory alliance one thing they will never have is 7 opposition MP's voting against them and that swings in their favor not the oppositions.

If you go by the principal that the DUP would always vote with the conservatives anyway though They are still 11 seats down from last time, which was already a precarious enough position for the PM to call an election.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Campbell, Umuna and others have already praised Corbyn so why can't you accept it.

Even Grendel, so he must have had the best campaign this side of WW2 to get that!

 

[Liquid Gold]

Jut saw May's interview from Downing St. So many sorries, doesn't look strong or stable at all.

 

[chiefdave]

Campbell, Umuna and others have already praised Corbyn so why can't you accept it.

Had R4 on a bit today and there's been a string of Labour MPs coming on saying they were wrong about Corbyn. Of course they might just think its the right thing to say and normal service will be resumed shortly but you never know.

 

[chiefdave]

Corbyn's links to the IRA don't count, but because the DUP are siding with the Tories, their links do.

Left wing mindset...

Corbyn's links were not good, and neither are these.

You must be able to see the staggering hypocrisy when the Tories, who have talked up Corbyn's supposed links to the IRA more than any other topic in the campaign, are suddenly happy to jump in with the DUP as they're the only party prepared to work with them.

 

[skybluetony176]

If you go by the principal that the DUP would always vote with the conservatives anyway though They are still 11 seats down from last time, which was already a precarious enough position for the PM to call an election.

True. Except I don't think that's why she called an election.

 

[Ian1779]

And one of the reasons I changed my mind on Corbyn. His.campaign was positive and focused on the issues. Meanwhile the Tories used the recent terrorist attacks for political gain, particularly over JCs reluctance to insinerate millions of.people.

Hope over fear.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Had R4 on a bit today and there's been a string of Labour MPs coming on saying they were wrong about Corbyn. Of course they might just think its the right thing to say and normal service will be resumed shortly but you never know.

Umunna said if he was asked, he'd serve in a Corbyn shadow cabinet.

Get him in there, show that the cause is more important than personal ambition.

 

[Captain Dart]

* The 40.1%* national share of the vote for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn on Thursday surpasses the levels secured by Tony Blair in 2005, the last time Labour won a majority at a general election.
* It is the third best share of the vote for Labour since 1974.
* This increased vote share reverses the trend of an almost constant fall over the past 20 years, with the exception of Ed Miliband’s small increase in 2015.
* The increase of 9.7% in Labour’s share of the vote since the 2015 election is the greatest such increase since 1945. In fact, it is the second highest ever increase since the party was founded, falling just behind the 9.8% increase achieved by Attlee in 1945.

Corbyn has not won the election but he has won the Labour party and will now put it on a footing to win the next election.

The Tories will not go into the next election with a manifesto anything like the one they used this time.
They will certainly make some electoral bribes to appeal to their natural electorate something which they staggeringly omitted this time.
Jezza has momentum right now but there is no certainty he will have it next time.

 

[dutchman]

If you go by the principal that the DUP would always vote with the conservatives anyway though

Between 1977 and 1979 the Ulster Unionists helped prop up a minority Labour government but eventually started making what James Callaghan considered to be 'unreasonable demands' and led to the collapse of his administration.

 

[Astute]

I'm not accusing you of been a tory, was just talking in general, but if you don't condemn May for teaming up with the DUP then you are a hypocrite.

I already had. Your petty point scoring is showing you up here. Yet you want people to say that they are bad whilst agreeing with people that praise Corbyn.

 

[Brylowes]

So after months of ramming Corbyn's dubious links to Hi level Northern Irish politicians
Who have had links to paramilitary groups, down people's throats.
The Torys have linked up with the political wing of two former paramilitary groups to form
A Government, as I said yesterday there hypocrisy knows no bounds........

And to put the cherry on the cake, Scotland made it all possible.

 

[olderskyblue]

Just out of curiosity.. what's your feelings on Corbyn now the election has happened?

Oi torch, this election changed your mind on Corbyn at all?

You OK NW?