Sick Boy
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We live in rented accommodation and had the fuse box replaced as it was way out date, it turned out that the oven and hob were both majorly unsafe.
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We live in rented accommodation and had the fuse box replaced as it was way out date, it turned out that the oven and hob were both majorly unsafe.
skybluetony176
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Heard a guy on the radio earlier who lived locally and he recons that the original finish on the building was concrete that had been finished with a corrugated look. He says that they fixed the cladding straight on top of it leaving lots of voids running the entire length of the building. He then came to what seemed to me to be a reasonable theory that this had caused a chimney effect and that is what spread the fire so rapidly. Certainly if you have a real fire at home you'll know that if you open the vents top and bottom the flames will run a lot lot faster so to me that made perfect sense. Sadly.
RIP all those who have lost their life and get well soon all those who have sustained injury.
RIP all those who have lost their life and get well soon all those who have sustained injury.
skybluetony176
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Not really. The fuse box job is to protect the cables in the circuit against overload. Same goes for your plug top fuse it's there to protect the cord from overload. There's usually internal fuses in appliances to protect the internal workings but not always.
Brylowes
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What in every flat ?
SKYBLUES90
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Generally a stay put policy in a building like that is the most suitable option. Due to the numbers of people evacuating a high rise building it can actually hinder the fire service attending the fire itself...obviously this is the case if the building is compartmentalised correctly which is evident it isn't. It appears the cladding certainly hasn't helped but I'd suggest there is major issues with the compartmentilisation inside the building which is why the fire spread from floor to floor so quickly.
Gazolba
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This building underwent a multi-million pound refurbishment just last year.
Do they have building inspectors in the UK? Did it get a fire inspection? Presumably someone signed-off on this building as being safe so it could get a certificate of occupancy.
However, I don't expect anyone will be held responsible.
Do they have building inspectors in the UK? Did it get a fire inspection? Presumably someone signed-off on this building as being safe so it could get a certificate of occupancy.
However, I don't expect anyone will be held responsible.
dutchman
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So have most of the tower blocks in Coventry owned by Whitefriars. I think they all have external cladding too? Glad I don't live in one.
Ian1779
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The majority of the 're-furb' was for aesthetic purposes. One of the things the fire service said is they couldn't get water above a certain level.... so why the fuck weren't there sprinklers?
We'll_live_and_die
Super Moderator
Just a thought, could they not tell people to put plugs in and turn on taps? Once aware of a fire?
Nick
Administrator
Guess it depends on how bad it is, otherwise they will be flooding the hell out of it for a chip pan on the floor below.
Otis
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Cost apparently.
We'll_live_and_die
Super Moderator
When there's a shit tonne of smoke really quickly flood the place.
bringbackrattles
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I live in a Whitefriars property as they took over the council houses/flats.
They take ages to do repairs etc and are slow to do anything. The small block I live in we've had loads of trouble with kids running amok,and some nutter kept setting fire to the waste shute and once it got out of hand and spread along the landing,we had to stay inside as the fire brigade put it out.
Ian1779
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Apparently the cost was only 300K.....
Brylowes
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Just seen on TV apparently it would cost 44 million to fit every block in the country With
sprinkler systems, have to say that sounds very low, thought it would be much more.
But whatever the cost, it has to be done, to avoid the cost to human life.
Grendel
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Great let's use the loss of life as an excuse for making a political point.
SKYBLUES90
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That is way off the mark, not even sure how they could put a figure on how much it would cost, so many factors that have to be taken into consideration when fitting sprinkler systems
Terry Gibson's perm
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Probably nearer to 44 million per block, that would be a shock cost to a private landlord who has one.
rob9872
Well-Known Member
Pointless unproven and inaccurate political point scoring> Human Life
The Ian way
All through the GE thread it's been kept on track despite often disagreeing. This isn't the time or place for your anti Tory agenda.
Ian1779
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312 Tory MP's blocked a motion to make rented accommodation habitable for humans.... not a single one from Lab, LD or SNP....
Ian1779
Well-Known Member
We are mourning an entirely avoidable tragedy.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Which could have been resolved in Labours decade in power so its hardly a political issue is it
clint van damme
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Was talk
so when is it time to discuss tory MPs voting down a motion from Labour to add an amendment to the housing bill? Next week? A month? Or shall we just sweep the whole thing under the carpet?
I say the sooner it gets discussed the more chance of preventing a repeat because this won't be the only tower block that is a fire risk.
so when is it time to discuss tory MPs voting down a motion from Labour to add an amendment to the housing bill? Next week? A month? Or shall we just sweep the whole thing under the carpet?
I say the sooner it gets discussed the more chance of preventing a repeat because this won't be the only tower block that is a fire risk.
covcity4life
Well-Known Member
horrible
Ian1779
Well-Known Member
Yes you are right - should have been resolved way before the current administration. So why was last year's motion blocked knowing that it was a failing of the previous government??
SIR ERNIE
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A typically pathetic, disgusting response.
Brylowes
Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure it wasn't as relevant or needed then.
Grendel
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Why?
Marty
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I've seen it from the other side as I worked for a firm that had a contract for the local housing association. Simple fact is there aren't enough skilled trades to carry out the work quick enough. Scumbag tennants causing major damage to their property so they can go elsewhere just to do the exact same thing. I'm sure the housing association would love to have people who look after there places and caused no damage, then they could afford these necessary upgrades. We don't have an endless pot of money and refitting a block of flats with sprinklers is a huge and expensive task, would require things like false ceilings to be installed. So exposed pipework couldn't be damaged. Major ground works to upgrade mains and even then it would just be communal areas and wouldn't cover into people's homes. Concrete floors between each level etc. Most places were built without future proofing in places and their simply isn't the space or layout to upgrade. Major new builds are built with 'cupboards' where all services are usually with false floors for upgrades. In most cases its quicker and sometimes cheaper to just rip it down and start again.
lifeskyblue
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Cost of a totally needless general election £130million. If the £44million is even close to accurate then that speaks for itself. Disgraceful.
On Tuesday we saw the farce in the Commons of the Speaker being 'reluctantly' dragged to the chair. The place was like a circus: laughing self serving politicians lapping up the 'tradition'. 12 hrs later we have the fire and reports that successive housing ministers have sat on their hands and not speedily reviewed safety guidelines despite overwhelming evidence. Hundreds homeless, unknown figure dead, wringing of hands by the 'great & good'. About time we stopped the platitudes about how good our emergency services are and try and put in place funding,policies and services
that treat the citizens of the uk properly with dignity and is there to uphold safety above all else.
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Sky Blue Pete
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Public enquiry called - quite right
Ian1779
Well-Known Member
Not convinced?? How about selling weapons to countries that use them to kill innocents...
Your denial is the thing that is most disappointing.