Nick
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How much of the protest is people mourning and how much pro protesters?
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Exactly ! Three different protest in one day ?!! The two for selfish political reasons, and one regarding a genuine tragedy where answers are needed and people held accountable !
Grendel
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Do you understand anything about how politics works at all?
Ian1779
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For the few it would appear over the last 7 years.
Ian1779
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At least the 2 main party leaders are getting it on the same scale now. You can't complain about May getting grief when you look at the Corbyn has been vilified.
Difference is Corbyn never resorted to vicious personal insults.... that was literally May's only gameplan.
Grendel
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No he just abdicated that responsibility to John "what do you call 4 dead Tories" McDonnell
People questioned, quite rightly, Corbyn political past. I still don't buy this carefully crafted media image he now has. May is what she is, awkward, probably naturally shy and...badly advised I have to admit he has come across far more people friendly than May during recent weeks. I believe he's also a man of principle.
Does that make him someone I want to see leading the party. No. Leading the country. No. Having to make touch decisions on military action to protect the country...we'll be fucked ! The hypocrisy of questioning May over police cuts following terrorist attacks, knowing full well he's voted against a shoot to kill policy (and 'every' anti terror legislation) that saved a significant number of lives in recent weeks, is also a mark of the man I'm afraid...but knowing that most of the public are too lazy to scratch the surface before jumping to conclusions, I'll also admit he's a shrewd operator !
Ian1779
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Protested against the Iraq war - he was right.
Stated in a speech several years ago that if we invaded countries like Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan that if we did not put a proper infastructure in place we (and the world in general) would suffer the consequences of this - again he was right.
Not bad for someone who supposedly knows nothing about conflict around the world.
Captain Dart
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Embarrassing leftie Day of Rage protest today. Maybe 300 there?
It's hard to disagree with him on Iraq. I think plenty of people disagreed with the Iraq war (especially once we all found out the evidence the government used as a basis for going to war was bullshit)
It's whether you believe that we (the West) should be the worlds policemen or not. I personally think we should stay out of things unless we (as a country) are threatened, however, I can see arguments on both sides. It's sometimes not a black and white decision ie A decision of inaction now could make it very difficult in future years. People often point to Russia/Ukraine as one of these situations. I'm not convinced Corbyn would make the tough decisions of action
Ian1779
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IMO the world we now live does not possess the same type of threats that it did after WWII, Cold War, Cuban Missile Crisis. Things have evolved and as such ISIS is the No.1 threat to the world. We are not going to wipe out ISIS with a nuke.
To hurt ISIS we need to cut off their funding, stop selling weapons to countries that then sell them on. Stop countries like Turkey buying oil for ISIS. These are the kind of things that Labour would do... and the Tories seem reluctant.
It's not blowing shit up all over the place - but how well has that worked??
Agree with most of that. I do think there are other worries around the world though (Russia - in the East rather than immediate threat to the West). Also I'm not sure what labours stance is on the other matters (and whether it differs to the Tories)
SkyblueBazza
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But question yourself...the tough decisions you refer to - are they tough because you think that attacking a.n.other nation is the brave or bold response? Because that might be construed by many as a 'do as I say' attitude. That is not what it seems Corbyn does. He, it appears, listens & considers - but keeps his the primary/ultimate objective firmly in mind.
It is all very intiguing.
What I am certain of is that Teresa May has left me cold. Early on I thought she was going to be a good leader, which she appears to be - for the Tory party...keeping the wolves in check - but she is an absolute disaster in terms of endearing herself to the populous & leading the nation
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clint van damme
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To lazy to scratch the surface! The irony of that comment is off the scale.
Whats ironic about it ? I try to be reasonably well informed before I make any political voting decision (I agonised for days/weeks over the referendum vote and continued to do so after). I have voted for both major parties in my lifetime and would do again if I felt their policies were deliverable and right for the country and my family, friends and myself.
If you can say the same fair enough, otherwise as I've said before there's no point having a debate.
clint van damme
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you don't have to scratch far to see what an atrocious job the tories are making of running the country yet many people haven't bothered.
There's plenty of evidence but perhaps the UN report into the tories running of the country, released June last year, was the most damning.
Surprised you never came across it when you were '"scratching below the surface". Perhaps you were only scratching in one direction.
What utter crap.
In every single instance Corbyn appears on the right side of history including on 'shoot to kill' which he advocates.
The idea of someone unprepared to 'scratch the surface' and yet jump to the conclusion that he has 'a carefully crafted media image' when he has been vilified by smear after smear defies belief.
Since Sanders in America socialism is no longer a dirty word in politics and, given the global challenges, environmentally and socially, an essential alternative to the neo-liberal idiocy which sooner or later would drag us all under.
Lord Hoho, a complete buffoon, windbag, stuffed shirt.
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SIR ERNIE
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<<In every single instance Corbyn appears on the right side of history>>
To make such a ludicrously ill-informed statement, you must either be aged about 18 and blissfully unaware of Corbyn’s shameful past or on a serious wind up.
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SIR ERNIE
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I’m no great Boris fan but the fact is that he’s a highly intelligent, principled and proud Englishman.
Qualities possessed by very few politicians, especially in the Labour Party.
However no of those qualities count because he's also a ‘posh toff’ and that makes him completely unacceptable to the cynical, sniping loud-mouthed lefties in our society and therefore an easy target for ridicule.
<<Lord Hoho, a complete buffoon, windbag, stuffed shirt>>
Well done very clever, hilarious.
Qualities possessed by very few politicians, especially in the Labour Party.
However no of those qualities count because he's also a ‘posh toff’ and that makes him completely unacceptable to the cynical, sniping loud-mouthed lefties in our society and therefore an easy target for ridicule.
<<Lord Hoho, a complete buffoon, windbag, stuffed shirt>>
Well done very clever, hilarious.
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Liquid Gold
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He even held American citizenship up until a few years ago
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You'd almost think he hadn't been sacked from his job for lying, or plotted to have someone beaten up, too.
Nick
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Wait, who did he plan to have beaten up? I'd love to have heard that conversation.
"Could you please remove your glove to this fopdoodle as he leaves the gentlemens bar after a few gins with the eton boys?"
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You can hear it, he was gullible enough to let it be recorded!
Tape of mayor Boris Johnson to be aired by Channel 4
clint van damme
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Principled!! You're joking, if you think that you really are clueless.
Totally changed his position on EU membership to try and get into number 10 and stabbed his mate in the back to help clear his path.
Got right behind the 350 million NHS lie even though he knew it was just that - a lie.
Gave out the address of a journalist to someone who wanted it so they could pay to have him assaulted.
Has had a string of affairs one which lead to him fathering a child.
There's plenty more - principled FFS!!
And you can accuse the left of seeing him as an easy target because he's a "toff" but if the left accuse the right of only going after Dianne Abbott because she's a black woman the race card accusation get's thrown around. More staggering hypocrisy.
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clint van damme
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Technically he didn't plan to have someone beaten up. Someone took offence to something a journalist had written and wanted him beaten up. They told Boris of their intention but said they needed the journalists home address which he knew and provided them with. I think that would be enough for a conspiracy charge if it was me or you.
skybluetony176
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Is the answer Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davies and... er... er...
... can't think of a forth Tory whose political career is dead...
... oh, wait a minute. I know. Tony Blair?
What do I win?
Ian1779
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You win a copy of his upcoming memoir entitled 'WMD - my dirty little secret'