Get behind the team (9 Viewers)

[Brylowes]

i would like to see cov get promoted this season and then out of league one within a couple of years. once we are in championship we can hope they sell up and get offers they cant refuse etc

also the best part would be to witness 2 promotions to go with out checkatrade cup win! a dynasty era!

I'm sure we would all go for that, but it's wishful thinking in the extreme far more likely is
A continuation of mismanagement, days in court and further decline culminating in yet
Another move from the city, or temporary ground share within it.
I honestly don't know whether things have gone to far 'as in to far for the club to ever
Mount a full recovery, but I'm absolutely convinced this will never happen whilst SISU
Are controlling things.

 

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[Grendel]

I'm sure we would all go for that, but it's wishful thinking in the extreme far more likely is
A continuation of mismanagement, days in court and further decline culminating in yet
Another move from the city, or temporary ground share within it.
I honestly don't know whether things have gone to far 'as in to far for the club to ever
Mount a full recovery, but I'm absolutely convinced this will never happen whilst SISU
Are controlling things.

Ok

 

[Brylowes]

Ok

No

 

[Astute]

Also we have next to no income for June and July.

Are you having a laugh? How many ST's did we sell in June and July?

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Yeah, let's all get excited about being promoted to Divison 3 even if it did happen :hungover:

If you set off on your tractor about now, you should just about get here for when the promotion party starts. I'll buy you a pint of cider, as you'll have spent all of your money on petrol.Cheer up you pastie muncher!

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

In some ways sucess on the pitch would solve a lot of the off field issues or more so the finance of being a succesful Club would do so. The main sticking point would be the Ricoh, however I think ACL/Wasps would be very interested in retaining CCFC as a tenant if they were in the Championship or the Premier League..



Just so we are clear, "futile - incapable of producing any useful result/pointless". Lets examine the facts, CCFC protested in some form or another prior to relegation from the Championship, SISU are still here, that's no result. The bad publicity surronding CCFC and many other Clubs, has thrown English Football in front of the government, but no action has been taken to this point, to add to the fact that English Football has been rotten to the core for a very long time. This issue did not start with SISU nor will it end with them. Protests IMO are futile in the aim of making SISU sell, which is preominently what CCFC fans want, but it will continue to affect the Club's performance, which last season showed.



On this point I agree with you, employing someone like Tim Fisher is not helpful and the Club does need to be interactive with it's fans. SISU have never, nor will they, be transparent with CCFC fans and I don't think many fans are interested in them being transparent now as relations are past the point of fixing. This is why I argue that CCFC fans should beack the CLub, effectively the only people who care for CCFC now are the people who are employed by the Club and the fans, the fans are now staying away from the Club (with their own reasons to justify their actions), however by staying away the Club is on it's very knees and with no one left to care for it, the Club will fall into the abyss.

You are saying that the Government being aware has had no impact yet and that is partly true. The more fuss that fans make at clubs such as ours, Blackpool and Leyton Orient the more they will take note. In the end either the football authorities have to get their house in order or they will be made to do so by government. Getting media attention, keeping organisations like Sisu in the spotlight will hasten the day that happens.

 

[Nick]

The only way they will sort it is by making football clubs have to live within their means properly.

Some cases like LO have more chance for trouble because of not paying players etc, but they got into the mess because of the owner paying players 8k, 20k in League One and the gamble failing and him not wanting to put more in.

The FL won't jump in every time the fans get unhappy because of relegation etc, the only issue they can really pull CCFC on at the minute is the stadium situation and even that is pretty complicated.

They need to stop owners from coming in and ploughing money in and forcing them to build properly and sustainably, then there isn't the sudden realisation when they run out of money or dont want to put any more in when everything turns sour.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Yes it was me who made that remark. If you look back I said it was an off the cuff remark that was in bad taste and taken the wrong way. Of course I don't wish him any bad luck as it's his career/job although I don't rate him and he's been a passenger for too long. Talking of which-isn't he now injured again? So again we are carrying a passenger.

Injuries happen in football, it's not the lad's fault. Do you think he wants to be injured? Do you think he deserves off the cuff remarks from you? You seem to have a problem with the academy, what is it?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Are you having a laugh? How many ST's did we sell in June and July?

Is the ST money only for the months of June and July then?

Edit. Apologies for not being able to multi quote.

 

[Astute]

Is the ST money only for the months of June and July then?

Edit. Apologies for not being able to multi quote.

You said we hardly have any money coming in during June and July. It is an untrue fact. The true fact is they have a lot of money coming in during June and July. You didn't state what the money was for. You just said hardly any came in.

BTW just hit the quote one each message you want to quote. They will all be shown then.

 

[Nick]

What's funny?

The huge dollop of irony of it.

"I won't use club coaches, I wont give them any money because they are owned by SISU. If the club gets money from a family zone raffle / donations im out"

Yet you went to Wembley. You also went to the Kit Launch last month....

OK then.

That's the issue when people make it all about morals (rather than just bored of rubbish football). It makes you look silly when you don't stick to them after acting the hero.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

You said we hardly have any money coming in during June and July. It is an untrue fact. The true fact is they have a lot of money coming in during June and July. You didn't state what the money was for. You just said hardly any came in.

BTW just hit the quote one each message you want to quote. They will all be shown then.

I didn't explain it very well, I think you know what I meant though. The money from ST has to be used throughout the season for wages etc. I know you haven't said it but it's not a case of ST money in, spend it on transfers, it has to be budgeted for the year.

On that point, I heard TF is looking into a way of having the TV money in a lump sum rather than throughout the season. Using a finance company I believe. Anyone else hear this? I may have missed it mentioned.

Edit. Thanks for the help.

 

[Astute]

I didn't explain it very well, I think you know what I meant though. The money from ST has to be used throughout the season for wages etc. I know you haven't said it but it's not a case of ST money in, spend it on transfers, it has to be budgeted for the year.

On that point, I heard TF is looking into a way of having the TV money in a lump sum rather than throughout the season. Using a finance company I believe. Anyone else hear this? I may have missed it mentioned.

Edit. Thanks for the help.

All money that comes in needs to be spread out over the season. We get to use 60% of all income on wages and transfers......if Division 4 is the same as Division 3. So why would TF want to pay interest on money coming in that needs to be spread throughout the season?

That is unless money is needed for a transfer fee or something else.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

All money that comes in needs to be spread out over the season. We get to use 60% of all income on wages and transfers......if Division 4 is the same as Division 3. So why would TF want to pay interest on money coming in that needs to be spread throughout the season?

That is unless money is needed for a transfer fee or something else.

Not entirely sure why he wants to do it, just passing on what I heard. I don't think it's the way to go.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

You are saying that the Government being aware has had no impact yet and that is partly true. The more fuss that fans make at clubs such as ours, Blackpool and Leyton Orient the more they will take note. In the end either the football authorities have to get their house in order or they will be made to do so by government. Getting media attention, keeping organisations like Sisu in the spotlight will hasten the day that happens.

I think all fans would agree that it is time for Football Authorities to get their houses into order, the issue is at what cost do we make our point known? Should fans keep disrupting fixtures, potentially costing the team points, incurring fines at the Club (not SISU), hampen any chance of success on the pitch or worse continue to aid the already slow decline towards abyss?

I want change as much as anyone, the problem is I don't agree with the approach we are taking to ensure it. SISU's actions (taking the Club to Northampton, suing the Council and Stadium Landlord, not having a stable plan for the future of the Club) speak volumes, fans in my view need to back the Club in full home and away, not just the occasional match prior to and at Wembley.

 

[Adge]

The huge dollop of irony of it.

"I won't use club coaches, I wont give them any money because they are owned by SISU. If the club gets money from a family zone raffle / donations im out"

Yet you went to Wembley. You also went to the Kit Launch last month....

OK then.

That's the issue when people make it all about morals (rather than just bored of rubbish football). It makes you look silly when you don't stick to them after acting the hero.

Who's acting the hero? What has Wembley got to do with anything?As a season ticket holder I was one of the first to get one. But it seems after 32 years as a season ticket holder (which I guess is longer than you) ive made a choice which I am getting stick (off you) for? I've told you my angle on it, take it or leave it. Go about your business this season whatever that may be and I will be doing the same.
The attendance at the kit launch was to get Robins view (which when pressed was to tow the Sisu line as expected) and to ask questions directly which I did.
Time to move on squire.

 

[Nick]

Who's acting the hero? What has Wembley got to do with anything?As a season ticket holder I was one of the first to get one. But it seems after 32 years as a season ticket holder (which I guess is longer than you) ive made a choice which I am getting stick (off you) for? I've told you my angle on it, take it or leave it. Go about your business this season whatever that may be and I will be doing the same.
The attendance at the kit launch was to get Robins view (which when pressed was to tow the Sisu line as expected) and to ask questions directly which I did.
Time to move on squire.

It isn't giving you stick, it's pointing out the irony and contradictions.

Going on about not getting club coaches or anything that gives them money then you pay to go to the kit launch? Also posting on a family zone fundraising thread about money going to CCFC, but pay the club to go to Wembley.

You asked what was funny, I answered with examples. You are the one making a point of saying you won't give CCFC any money, I just pointed out the contradictions

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

I think all fans would agree that it is time for Football Authorities to get their houses into order, the issue is at what cost do we make our point known? Should fans keep disrupting fixtures, potentially costing the team points, incurring fines at the Club (not SISU), hampen any chance of success on the pitch or worse continue to aid the already slow decline towards abyss?

I want change as much as anyone, the problem is I don't agree with the approach we are taking to ensure it. SISU's actions (taking the Club to Northampton, suing the Council and Stadium Landlord, not having a stable plan for the future of the Club) speak volumes, fans in my view need to back the Club in full home and away, not just the occasional match prior to and at Wembley.

And therefore how do you show your discontent with the owners? As far as everyone is concerned Coventry fans are quiet, everything must be fine. Just as two relegations are not the major problems this club is facing, one or two promotions won't solve those problems. As long as Sisu are here, this club is in danger because we have owners who don't care and who if it suited their purposes, would liquidate without hesitation. I understand that the poor performances and results fuelled last season's discontent, however the underlying issues won't go away just because we win a few games.
I hope to go to all games this season, home and away for the first time ever. I hope we play well, win games and get promotion. It won't alter how I feel about Sisu and what they have done to this club.

 

[Nick]

And therefore how do you show your discontent with the owners?

Surely not by trying to get games abandoned or interfering with games?

 

[Adge]

It isn't giving you stick, it's pointing out the irony and contradictions.

Going on about not getting club coaches or anything that gives them money then you pay to go to the kit launch? Also posting on a family zone fundraising thread about money going to CCFC, but pay the club to go to Wembley.

You asked what was funny, I answered with examples. You are the one making a point of saying you won't give CCFC any money, I just pointed out the contradictions

No irony or contradictions-just telling you how it is.

 

[Nick]

No irony or contradictions-just telling you how it is.

Yes, and I have just pointed out that while you are making a big point about not giving CCFC any money you did a couple of weeks ago to go to the kit launch

Pretty big contradiction.

"I'm not going to eat meat, I love animals"
"Hold on mate, let me just finish this steak"

 

[shmmeee]

Injuries happen in football, it's not the lad's fault. Do you think he wants to be injured? Do you think he deserves off the cuff remarks from you? You seem to have a problem with the academy, what is it?

Adge is really Andy Ducros, bitter he never lived up to his potential and blaming it all on the academy.

You heard it here first.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

And therefore how do you show your discontent with the owners? As far as everyone is concerned Coventry fans are quiet, everything must be fine. Just as two relegations are not the major problems this club is facing, one or two promotions won't solve those problems. As long as Sisu are here, this club is in danger because we have owners who don't care and who if it suited their purposes, would liquidate without hesitation. I understand that the poor performances and results fuelled last season's discontent, however the underlying issues won't go away just because we win a few games.
I hope to go to all games this season, home and away for the first time ever. I hope we play well, win games and get promotion. It won't alter how I feel about Sisu and what they have done to this club.

Protest at the next court hearing, right where Joy Seppala is likely to attend, make your feelings known, but don't impact CCFC, don't invade the pitch and cause game disputions or harmful action against the Club or it's performance.

SISU don't care and I therefore go back to my previous point, fans need to get behind the Club (the Club and SISU are two different entities), because we (the fans) are the only people that care and without the fans, the Club may as well be liquidated.

 

[Liquid Gold]

32,00 fans meaning we smash League 2 and then League 1 easy with the income while singing anti sisu songs and anti sisu banners at games would be a hell of show. We fund this club not them, let's make it a club you're proud to support while still hurting the bastards.

But then you have idiots saying that squad members are being fined so sisu can pay court cases so it's never going to happen.

 

[Nick]

32,00 fans meaning we smash League 2 and then League 1 easy with the income while singing anti sisu songs and anti sisu banners at games would be a hell of show. We fund this club not them, let's make it a club you're proud to support while still hurting the bastards.

But then you have idiots saying that squad members are being fined so sisu can pay court cases so it's never going to happen.

Ha where has that been said?

 

[Grendel]

Adge is really Andy Ducros, bitter he never lived up to his potential and blaming it all on the academy.

You heard it here first.

For some reason I found that really funny

 

[Liquid Gold]

Ha where has that been said?

I saw it on facebook

 

[skyblueinBaku]

I saw it on facebook

There is quite a lot of rubbish posted on FB, just like there is in the CT comments.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

32,00 fans meaning we smash League 2 and then League 1 easy with the income while singing anti sisu songs and anti sisu banners at games would be a hell of show. We fund this club not them, let's make it a club you're proud to support while still hurting the bastards

I totally agree, with Mark Robins being able to benefit from that type of income we would bounce into the Championship.

It's unfortunate that fans allow their hatred for SISU and Joy Seppala, to cloud their vision to see this.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I totally agree, with Mark Robins being able to benefit from that type of income we would bounce into the Championship.

It's unfortunate that fans allow their hatred for SISU and Joy Seppala, to cloud their vision to see this.

There will always be an excuse. In 03/04 we averaged 14,816. No SISU to be seen only a couple of years out of the PL yet if you beleived the shit you see on social media we'd be selling out every week when sisu sell. I think we just have to accept that the people of Coventry don't really give a shit unless we're playing a big team.

Once sisu go it will be something else that stops people.

 

[ajsccfc]

When Sisu go I worry about the people who run those ace Twitter accounts who do little else but reply to any old vague shit the club says with something cracking about the owners or 'Timmy'. I just hope their comedic gift will find its way in the darkness

 

[RoboCCFC90]

The straw that broke the camels back for me was Fisher at the Sbt meeting, as if things weren't bad enough at the time, brazen as you like,when asked about season tickets or lack of, saying that he will just be cutting the budget to suit.

No offence Adge, but here in lies the issue I have with the "boycotting" fans.

I've picked out the above section from your previous quote, the problem with it is you don't seem to appreciate that the Club is run on a self-sufficient basis, now to clarify self-sufficient is defined as; needing no outside help in satisfying one's basic needs.

Therefore my question to you would be, if you owned a business (any business) and your business was down on revenues, due to customer sales, would you not look at cutting your costs to ensure you're not in the red? While I agree for Fisher to say publically may not have been clever, there is logic behind the statement.

Admittedly the issue could have been dressed another way, which would have been more pleasing on the ear, however do you not recognise that the Club needs it's supporters now more than ever, irrespective of SISU?

 

[Adge]

Adge is really Andy Ducros, bitter he never lived up to his potential and blaming it all on the academy.

You heard it here first.

Mate-he was from the academy-couldn't lace my boots!:emoji_smirk:

 

[Adge]

No offence Adge, but here in lies the issue I have with the "boycotting" fans.

I've picked out the above section from your previous quote, the problem with it is you don't seem to appreciate that the Club is run on a self-sufficient basis, now to clarify self-sufficient is defined as; needing no outside help in satisfying one's basic needs.

Therefore my question to you would be, if you owned a business (any business) and your business was down on revenues, due to customer sales, would you not look at cutting your costs to ensure you're not in the red? While I agree for Fisher to say publically may not have been clever, there is logic behind the statement.

Admittedly the issue could have been dressed another way, which would have been more pleasing on the ear, however do you not recognise that the Club needs it's supporters now more than ever, irrespective of SISU?

A great business plan of course to be self sufficient is a good plan with any business. Do people think that from the outset that Sisu's plan was to buy a footballl club and make it self sufficient? If that's the case then people need to wake up and smell the coffee. The idea was to get maximum profit by selling on with the premier league the aim. It is through their own mismanagement that they have now arrived at the current platform and are praying on the most ardent of fans to come through the turnstiles to finance the club. Don't remember any mention of being self sufficient when we were in the championship.:emoji_thinking:

 

[Nick]

A great business plan of course to be self sufficient is a good plan with any business. Do people think that from the outset that Sisu's plan was to buy a footballl club and make it self sufficient? If that's the case then people need to wake up and smell the coffee. The idea was to get maximum profit by selling on with the premier league the aim. It is through their own mismanagement that they have now arrived at the current platform and are praying on the most ardent of fans to come through the turnstiles to finance the club. Don't remember any mention of being self sufficient when we were in the championship.:emoji_thinking:

What's that actually got to do with what he posted?

Its just aimless rants, thrown in irony and hypocrisy and it seems to be quite common. What's the point?

Trying to give it the "wake up and smell the coffee" stuff after going on about how you aren't going to give the club any money not long after doing that very thing.