Should drugs be legalised? (14 Viewers)

[Liquid Gold]

screw them. they can lead a enjoyable life without drugs.

So because of what somebody decides to do with their own bodies they are not deserving of respect?

 

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[covcity4life]

So because of what somebody decides to do with their own bodies they are not deserving of respect?

just dont expect sympathy.

 

[Liquid Gold]

just dont expect sympathy.

Nobody is expecting sympathy, as far as I can tell people just want sensible policy that reduces harm for both the user and society.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

So because of what somebody decides to do with their own bodies they are not deserving of respect?

If they go around spitting on people, touching and assaulting women then no they don't.

 

[King of the Lesbians]

just dont expect sympathy.

Does that extend to people who chew paan?

 

[covcity4life]

Nobody is expecting sympathy, as far as I can tell people just want sensible policy that reduces harm for both the user and society.

reducing harm for user would be not to take drugs. i mean it really is that simple.

Does that extend to people who chew paan?

no idea what that is

 

[covcity4life]

its like if ciggeretters were banned tommrow and people starting importing ciggerettes that increased chances of cancer

would you really be like oh poor sods,they might get ill now.

or would you say just bloody quit and increase chances of healthy life?

 

[Liquid Gold]

If they go around spitting on people, touching and assaulting women then no they don't.

That's really not the point I was making at all is it. That is doing something to somebody else's body and completely out of order.

 

[covcity4life]

That's really not the point I was making at all is it. That is doing something to somebody else's body and completely out of order.

some on off topic forum says religion causes issues and atheists know best

so same can be said of drugs? drugs cause bad behaviour in many people and thus sober people know best.

what goes around comes around! wooooooooooh

*too scared to search old liquid gold posts incase he in fact did not ridicule religion and renders my post worthless*

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

That's really not the point I was making at all is it. That is doing something to somebody else's body and completely out of order.

The issue is that when they take drugs they have a massive impact on society as a whole either through their behaviour whilst on drugs, after they've taken drugs or whilst they're trying to get drugs. I really don't care what impact drug use has on the person taking them but it has so many more ways that it impacts on everyone else in society whether directly or indirectly.

 

[Liquid Gold]

The issue is that when they take drugs they have a massive impact on society as a whole either through their behaviour whilst on drugs, after they've taken drugs or whilst they're trying to get drugs. I really don't care what impact drug use has on the person taking them but it has so many more ways that it impacts on everyone else in society whether directly or indirectly.

And the evidence shows that the wider impact on society is massively reduced when more sensible laws are in place.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

And the evidence shows that the wider impact on society is massively reduced when more sensible laws are in place.

They may well be for hard users and addicts but you'll still get the antisocial and aggressive behaviour of the recreational users as Oucho's other half and plenty of law abiding supporters found out at the weekend. I'm not sure what the answer is really. Give em all enough to kill themselves or try and stop it all. Either way it needs a lot more to be done than is being done at the moment.

 

[Grendel]

And the evidence shows that the wider impact on society is massively reduced when more sensible laws are in place.

Well it doesn't but hey ho.

 

[Liquid Gold]

They may well be for hard users and addicts but you'll still get the antisocial and aggressive behaviour of the recreational users as Oucho's other half and plenty of law abiding supporters found out at the weekend. I'm not sure what the answer is really. Give em all enough to kill themselves or try and stop it all. Either way it needs a lot more to be done than is being done at the moment.

Well the government's chief advisor on the matter suggested decriminalisation and treating it as a public health, rather than law and order, issue. He was sacked because it wasn't politically palatable.

Also I'm in no way excusing what happened to Oucho's other half or any of the fans affected by the twats on Saturday. They should have to deal with the consequences of my actions. As I said earlier in the thread though a lot of the trouble I've seen has been caused by men who are old enough to know better and seem to feel invincible after a few drinks with no sign of drug use.

 

[Grendel]

Well the government's chief advisor on the matter suggested decriminalisation and treating it as a public health, rather than law and order, issue. He was sacked because it wasn't politically palatable.

Also I'm in no way excusing what happened to Oucho's other half or any of the fans affected by the twats on Saturday. They should have to deal with the consequences of my actions. As I said earlier in the thread though a lot of the trouble I've seen has been caused by men who are old enough to know better and seem to feel invincible after a few drinks with no sign of drug use.

Good god you are not taken in by that arrogant oaf David Nutt are you?

 

[shmmeee]

By "all other countries" you mean a minority of countries, right?

I stick by my point, by definition, if something is against the law then there is something wrong with it....by very definition.

So was being gay wrong in the 50s?

 

[shmmeee]

Good god you are not taken in by that arrogant oaf David Nutt are you?

You really are a fuckwit in an arseholes clothing.

More than one government advisor has recommended downgrading cannabis.

 

[Liquid Gold]

You really are a fuckwit in an arseholes clothing.

More than one government advisor has recommended downgrading cannabis.

Ignore his fishing.

 

[Sick Boy]

The issue is that when they take drugs they have a massive impact on society as a whole either through their behaviour whilst on drugs, after they've taken drugs or whilst they're trying to get drugs. I really don't care what impact drug use has on the person taking them but it has so many more ways that it impacts on everyone else in society whether directly or indirectly.

Start by looking at alcohol.

 

[Sick Boy]

You really are a fuckwit in an arseholes clothing.

More than one government advisor has recommended downgrading cannabis.

I used to smoke it myself but gave it up earlier this year. Despite not smoking it, I fully support legalisation. Drugs such as Cannabis and Ecstacy are much less harmful than alcohol and users taking them impact society much less than alcohol.

 

[covmark]

I used to smoke it myself but gave it up earlier this year. Despite not smoking it, I fully support legalisation. Drugs such as Cannabis and Ecstacy are much less harmful than alcohol and users taking them impact society much less than alcohol.

Indeed. I gave up around 8 years ago having smoked it for around 12 years.
I'd much rather be surrounded in town by a load of stoners than a load of pissheads.

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[Grendel]

You really are a fuckwit in an arseholes clothing.

More than one government advisor has recommended downgrading cannabis.

Professor Nutt wanted to downgrade LSD and Ecstacy.

The passive ignorance of people like you is astonishing.

When you say "downgrade" you probably swallowed the dear Professors claim that 160,000 users are "criminalised" a year. A nonsense argument when only 22,000 went to court and many of them received a slap on the wrist.

His league table ranking of harmful substances is also fatally flawed - I will educate you and liquid gold on this when you name the other advisors and what then actually said.

Facts are so much better than empty rhetoric don't you think?

 

[chiefdave]

I will educate you

Is there any subject you don't know more about than people who have studied / worked in for years?

 

[covmark]

Professor Nutt wanted to downgrade LSD and Ecstacy.

The passive ignorance of people like you is astonishing.

When you say "downgrade" you probably swallowed the dear Professors claim that 160,000 users are "criminalised" a year. A nonsense argument when only 22,000 went to court and many of them received a slap on the wrist.

His league table ranking of harmful substances is also fatally flawed - I will educate you and liquid gold on this when you name the other advisors and what then actually said.

Facts are so much better than empty rhetoric don't you think?

Have you read why he recommended downgrading ecstasy and lsd.
It makes sense tbh.

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[Grendel]

Is there any subject you don't know more about than people who have studied / worked in for years?

I wasn't aware Schmeee and Liquid gold had.

 

[chiefdave]

I wasn't aware Schmeee and Liquid gold had.

They might not have but I'm pretty sure Professor Nutt DM, FRCP, FRCPSYCH, FSB, FMEDSCI, chair in Neuropsychopharmacology at Imperial College, chair of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, president of the European Brain Council, former president of the British Association of Psychopharmacology, former president of the British Neuroscience Association, former president of the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology, winner of the John Maddox Prize, winner of the Transmission Prize and named in The Times 100 most important figures in british science has a vague idea what he's talking about.

 

[Grendel]

They might not have but I'm pretty sure Professor Nutt DM, FRCP, FRCPSYCH, FSB, FMEDSCI, chair in Neuropsychopharmacology at Imperial College, chair of the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, president of the European Brain Council, former president of the British Association of Psychopharmacology, former president of the British Neuroscience Association, former president of the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology, winner of the John Maddox Prize, winner of the Transmission Prize and named in The Times 100 most important figures in british science has a vague idea what he's talking about.

Do these people?

Cannabis and mental health

 

[Sick Boy]

Do these people?

Cannabis and mental health

You could use the exact same argument for alcohol though. Also, it is very much a minority of people who end up with mental health problems.

You probably underestimate exactly how many people now smoke it, it's a lot more common than you seem to think.

The only person I've ever seen suffering from psychosis was alcohol induced.

 

[chiefdave]

Do these people

I imagine they probably do but then I'm not on here claiming to know more than them. Isn't David Nutt one of their fellows?

 

[Captain Dart]

Legalising Cannabis is probably coming in the next decade. The Liberals already have it as policy.
Just do an experiment, walk past a dozen young people smoking in a park (or other relatively secluded location) bet you at least 1/4 of them are smoking pot not tabs.
It isn't feasible to police its use any more, better to legalise it and get some tax.

 

[King of the Lesbians]

Is there any subject you don't know more about than people who have studied / worked in for years?

Hi Dave, you must be new. Welcome to SBT...

 

[covcity4life]

Legalising Cannabis is probably coming in the next decade. The Liberals already have it as policy.
Just do an experiment, walk past a dozen young people smoking in a park (or other relatively secluded location) bet you at least 1/4 of them are smoking pot not tabs.
It isn't feasible to police its use any more, better to legalise it and get some tax.

best to ban it and put users in jail

then in future generations these kids will be playing in the park and not smoking.

 

[Ashdown]

To be honest mate its not really like that. If you're drinking coke will sharpen you up and stop you being too hammered. Not that I've ever taken it officer.

People are fuelling God only knows what other crime by taking it though !

 

[Liquid Gold]

People are fuelling God only knows what other crime by taking it though !

Definitely, the whole trade behind it is disgusting.

 

[Sick Boy]

best to ban it and put users in jail

then in future generations these kids will be playing in the park and not smoking.

You'd probably have to build thousands of new prisons. Good luck with that.