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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Why are you more bothered about a tweet from Trump than the fact two people we have taken in as 'refugees' have almost blown up a train full of people?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Fair amount of silence on here from the same people normally branding others racists and nazis for questioning the 'refugee' policy.
This will only happen more and more, and was quite apparent from day one.
This will only happen more and more, and was quite apparent from day one.
clint van damme
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pity he didn't succeed eh mate? That would of really been a point scorer for you.
shmmeee
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What a shit bomb. Proper rubber dinghy rapid bro stuff there.
Are you only allowed to be bothered by one thing? The real question is why are you more bothered about hurting Trumps feelings than stopping terrorist attacks? If the security services say it was a shit move, it was a shit move.
Are you only allowed to be bothered by one thing? The real question is why are you more bothered about hurting Trumps feelings than stopping terrorist attacks? If the security services say it was a shit move, it was a shit move.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It's not about point scoring. It's about realising there is a problem, and stopping it.
Have you changed your mind on how we tackle the refugee issue yet?
shmmeee
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What’s your plan?
Oh wait, that won’t catch this guy:
Or this guy:
Stop pretending you’re the only one that wants to stop terrorists, when in fact it’s just that your ideas are shit and don’t work.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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No, I couldn't give a fuck about Trumps tweet. There are bigger things to worry about, such as the bomb, the bombers, and tackling the problem.
It's not about being bothered about one thing. Again, it's a deliberate attempt to deflect the problem, not talk about the real issue, and blame anything other than these fucking idiotic policies that led to this event (and others) happening in the first place.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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What’s your plan?
Oh wait, that won’t catch this guy:
Or this guy:
Stop pretending you’re the only one that wants to stop terrorists, when in fact it’s just that your ideas are shit and don’t work.
I'm actually howling at that response. Pathetic.
My ideas (unlike ones shared by you) didn't cause this mess. Your virtue signalling and 'calling everyone racist' makes you accountable for stuff like this that is allowed to happen. Hang your head in shame.
For the record, there was another two terrorist attacks that very same day in France. Neither made the mainstream media. I guess you had your blinkers on again though.
clint van damme
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No. This country has always been charitable to those in need and long may it continue. It's sickening that this pair (if there are only 2), have thrown it back in our faces and I feel sorry for the old couple who must feel terrible when all they were trying to do was help, but we have never turned our backs on those in need and we never should.
Of course, if we can give the authorities more resources to police it better then I'm all for it.
Of course, in an ideal world, there'd be no war zones so people wouldn't feel the need to risk their families lives trying to cross the med in a dinghy.
And please remember, the two worst atrocities of recent years, London 7/7 and Manchester were carried out by British citizens and by a guy who was known to the authorities but had had a control order lifted so he could travel freely between the UK and Libya to help moderates, (that's Al Queda and ISIS to me and you), fight Gadaffi. So policing refugees is only one part of the issue.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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There is being charitable, and there is being naive and walked over. We need to find the balance so that we can do the former without posing a risk to our security. I agree with you, it is sickening that they've thrown it back in our faces, but it won't be the last time.
The refugee policy is only part of the issue, but if as you say, Pandoras box is open, why do we need to keep adding to the problem too? It's like saying because you've got a flat tyre you might as well slash the other three.
chiefdave
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I'm bothered about the tweet from Trump because it amounts to a leak in our intelligence which our own intelligence services and even are PM have indicated is a serious problem which benefits the very people we are trying to stop.
Once again you seem to have failed to grasp that people can think about more than one issue at a time. Being concerned about an intelligence leak does not mean you have to totally ignore everything else going on in the world and pretend terrorism doesn't exist.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Yes, there is being concerned about more than one issue, but that's not what you've done. You've use it as an opportunity to bash Trump, and deflect away from the real problem. You have said almost nothing about the issue of terrorism itself or the problem that has caused it. Also, nothing on how we fix it.
It's a serious problem if he's leaking detailed information, but by saying they were known to the security services? Bitch please, I could have told you that.
clint van damme
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the best way to stop refugees coming here is to live in a world that doesn't create refugees, something which we have contributed to with our foreign and environmental policies, so I think it's only right that we shoulder some of the burden.
If you think we need to shut the door on those in need to prevent those who wish to do us harm from entering the country then that's your opinion and one your entitled to but it's not something I can agree with.
Nick
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Why does it need to be all or nothing though?
I remember when I mentioned it, don't just allow any Tom, Dick or Harry in. Boats full of blokes on their own looked dodgy.
You can still help people while being very careful who you let in, the fact there are twats already here doesn't mean letting more in is OK.
chiefdave
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Get a grip, most people can engage more than one brain cell and cope with multiple things being mentioned. In any case it wasn't me who mentioned Trump, I was reply to Lurker.
Has someone taught you a new phrase today, this is second thread you've used it in! :emoji_smiley:
clint van damme
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As I said earlier, we could give the authorities more help, but public spending isn't high on the agenda.
Can't remember the name of the tory MP the other day, waxing lyrical about the work the police and fire service did at the tube bombing but voted 4 times against them having a pay rise!
We could definitely do with shoring up our border control for a whole host of reasons not just refugees.
As well, speaking to Eastern Europeans I work with who went home in the summer, they said it appeared the French Authorities have pretty much given up with regard to policing the tunnel coming into the UK, (safe to assume because of Brexit), so the burden will fall on UK border control who are already stretched.
covcity4life
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you realise in the nazi bombing thread you only logged on to say its not a big an issue as islamic terrorism right? lol
we do let too many people in, no doubt about it, the country is changing and the govnt are not staying on top of it. but evill still and always will lie in everyone of all races
chiefdave
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This is where it was messed up from the start. When we knew we were going to start bombing people common sense tells you there will be a flood of refugees. There should have been a process to get them out of the danger zone but screened as soon as possible and then distributed around Europe. High capacity temporary camps with the facilities to screen people quickly right on the border.
Instead there was not a thought given to it until they started appearing in their thousands and the panic began.
By then it was too late, you had people coming from who knows where claiming to be refugees from the war and no way of telling who was genuine. You can't access government records in a war zone and people can legitimately either not have or lose their passport. I can never find my passport when I'm going away and I'm not worrying about a bomb dropping on me.
Nick
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No, but if you look about 50 and claim to be 14 that would be a start
The whole process could be done properly, it will never be 100% accurate but it would be a lot more effective to prevent people getting through. That and a 1 chance and you are back on the first plane approach.
This lad arrested a couple of weeks ago for example, why's he able to roam about with a bomb freely? That's where invading people's privacy doesn't come into it, it's about people's safety.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I wish someone would teach you something new. Bashing Trump and defending bonkers leftist policies is tiresome.
Captain Dart
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That is unrealistic, it is more realistic to restrict access of economic migrants from countries exporting terrorism and make it easier to deport anyone entering illegally.
The UK doesn't have to fix the rest of the world, but it does have to protect itself better.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Am I wrong?
What have you done anyway? Logged onto both threads to have a pop at someone and try to make yourself earn some likes from others. You then say something underneath which is actually quite true, but also what I've been saying anyway.
Honestly don't know what your problem is.
covcity4life
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doesnt matter if you are wrong or right, dont veer away from nazi bombing topics and then act smug about certain posters not commenting on a islamic terroism attempt. you cant have it both ways
nothing about earning likes, like minded people agree with me thats all
i am sorry i said something you agree with, didnt expect it to offend you so much........
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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That's fine. I have said many times we should pull out of all middle eastern conflict immediately. I stand by that. As for shouldering the burden, I think importing terrorists is a bit harsh to be honest. I don't think we should be shutting the door on everyone. I do think however people need to be checked better, the flow needs to be stemmed, non-refugees should be deported etc etc.
Genuine refugees should have a roof over their head. I doubt anyone really truly believes otherwise. People aren't heartless, but they are aware of the risks. The risks that have shown themselves here, and I do believe this won't be the last case.
chiefdave
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We've got a huge advantage having an actual physical border. At the very least we should have a vague idea of who we're letting in.
covcity4life
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terrorism is going to continue be it refugees or british born, i dont know when it will end.
but step 1 and its a BIG step and not something that should be brushed off as "oh yeh that would be good but until then lets do this and that" is to pull out of americas wars.
but step 1 and its a BIG step and not something that should be brushed off as "oh yeh that would be good but until then lets do this and that" is to pull out of americas wars.
clint van damme
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I wouldn't disagree with that. But it's difficult, to sort out the genuine refugees from terrorists/ economic migrants without giving more support to the authorities.
And yes, it's not our job to fix the world but we do need to shoulder our share of the burden. There are also rich countries who we are pally with who do the square root of fuck all and we should be telling them they need to pull their weight, (I'm talking about some of the rich gulf states).
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It's not that I am offended. It's that you've basically agreed with what I said, but then bashed me anyway. Classic like grabbing really.
On that thread I denounced all that shit, I then corrected some posters when they were way off the mark with what they were saying. Nothing to joke about Nazism.
covcity4life
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i agree about 1point with u
my first paragraph was showing your hypocrisy
you are becoming a joke mate. you literally stand up for trump and blame muslims for everything. you are like the twitter users that respond to trumps every tweet with MY PRESIDENT
and you didnt rate jacob murphy
madness
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Really? I hate Trump! I just think it's stupid when someone's milk goes off they decide to blame him for it. It masks over the real issue. As for blaming Muslims for everything, well that isn't true. However I do blame Islam for Islamic terror.
For the record Jacob Murphy got sold for 12.5 million. He has made about 60 minutes worth of pitch time all season. Absolute bargain!
I might be becoming a joke, but I suppose it's marginally better than being the clown of the forum.
covcity4life
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not sure what bringing otis into it will achieve?
someone merely pointed out how our protecters do not like trump disclosing private info, it doesnt mean he doesnt care about the attempted tube plot
and terror is terror. if your family was hurt by a nazi bomb aimed at a mosque you wouldnt say well it deosnt hurt as much than if it was a islamic terror attack that got them would you?
nothing wrong with looking for solutions, just make them good ones and dont be so brainwashed by the chav media, "moderate muslims" cannot end islamic terror for e.g
someone merely pointed out how our protecters do not like trump disclosing private info, it doesnt mean he doesnt care about the attempted tube plot
and terror is terror. if your family was hurt by a nazi bomb aimed at a mosque you wouldnt say well it deosnt hurt as much than if it was a islamic terror attack that got them would you?
nothing wrong with looking for solutions, just make them good ones and dont be so brainwashed by the chav media, "moderate muslims" cannot end islamic terror for e.g
Liquid Gold
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The thing is we all basically agree with one another. No we shouldn't let everybody in the country but if we're destroying civilian homes we should be taking a portion of the refugees. Islamic fundamentalism is a poisonous ideology but what we're doing now is like a game of whack a mole slapping them down when they come up when what we need to do is cut off the ideology at its source.
In an ideal world we wouldn't have completely destabilised the Middle East with invasions that the vast majority of the public were against. But invading Iraq enabled British and American defence, security and energy firms to make billions of dollars. Saying this isn't deflecting blame, it's an acknowledgement that we've contributed to the rise and a warning that our foreign policy needs to change.
The main problem now is that the cat is out of the bag with regards to radical Islam and nobody knows how to deal with it. Demonising muslims and Islam isn't going to stop things as it feeds the idiology of the terorists. More bombing isn't going to help as it will create more refugees and radicalise civilians caught in the middle.
To my mind we need to put as much focus as we can developing green energy so we don't need to finance despotic regimes in the region. The borders need looking at too, Iraq and Syria we're drawn on the map by the French and British after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and don't reflect the Sunni, Shia and Kurdish communities. I don't know how you'd go about fixing that with Turkey in the picture.
It saddens me that innocent people are being killed and injured, here and the Middle East, and we seem to have no clear strategy of containment. It also saddens me that some people (I'm not talking about anybody on here) seem to lose their humanity over it.
In an ideal world we wouldn't have completely destabilised the Middle East with invasions that the vast majority of the public were against. But invading Iraq enabled British and American defence, security and energy firms to make billions of dollars. Saying this isn't deflecting blame, it's an acknowledgement that we've contributed to the rise and a warning that our foreign policy needs to change.
The main problem now is that the cat is out of the bag with regards to radical Islam and nobody knows how to deal with it. Demonising muslims and Islam isn't going to stop things as it feeds the idiology of the terorists. More bombing isn't going to help as it will create more refugees and radicalise civilians caught in the middle.
To my mind we need to put as much focus as we can developing green energy so we don't need to finance despotic regimes in the region. The borders need looking at too, Iraq and Syria we're drawn on the map by the French and British after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and don't reflect the Sunni, Shia and Kurdish communities. I don't know how you'd go about fixing that with Turkey in the picture.
It saddens me that innocent people are being killed and injured, here and the Middle East, and we seem to have no clear strategy of containment. It also saddens me that some people (I'm not talking about anybody on here) seem to lose their humanity over it.
Grendel
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What’s your plan?
Oh wait, that won’t catch this guy:
Or this guy:
Stop pretending you’re the only one that wants to stop terrorists, when in fact it’s just that your ideas are shit and don’t work.
You can do things
You can create a terrorism act that allows detention without trial for a specified period (say 6 months) if as we are told intelligence suggests some of these people are known suspects
I'm sure you feel very clever with yourself showing Jo Coxs killer but the reality is he was definately acting alone and posed a threat to only one individual. However, if the police thought he wss a potential threat under he act he could ne detained couldn't he?
People say that these terrorists act alone and are sad losers. Fine. Let's bring back the death penalty for convicted terrorists then at least it would save money - or perhaps we should continue giving them legal aid as we are with one of Lee Rigbys assassins.
I'm not saying I agree with it any of it but let's not pretend things couldn't be done.
rob9872
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Well that's 10 minutes pointless reading time I can never get back, but I'm more outraged some people still don't rate Jacob Murphy and wont admit they wrre wrong. I spent months defending him and yet I get pelted for low scoring Beavon and Vincenti. I think i know who I'd rather have!