The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (50 Viewers)
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Astute
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You know what he is saying.
Grendel
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You know Rumpy Pumpy - the free loading bank clerk with the personality of a damp rag
Astute
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Would any of you pro remainers like to make a comment about the last paragraph of this article? She is blaming our leaving on the EU being able to do what they want although we hardly get a say on anything.
EU chief Juncker plots for Chancellor for whole of Europe | Daily Mail Online
EU chief Juncker plots for Chancellor for whole of Europe | Daily Mail Online
clint van damme
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I thought we knew what we were voted for, we should have anticipated this and any other issue arising from Brexit surely?
Astute
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So Juncker wouldn't have pushed it through if the UK hadn't voted to leave?
clint van damme
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we were told leaving was going to be a doddle, surely if that isn't the case someone should have anticipated it?
Our MPs have let us down and lied to us, the EU acting the c**t is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned.
edit - I'm talking about a different article!! Something else I had open.
Sick Boy
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Exactly. We were all told how easy leaving the EU would be and it would all be positive. I'm sure a neutral like Astute remembers that.
Yes. Ok. I don’t read the Express or Sun, so forgive me if I am not up to date on childish nicknames or Faragisms. Anyway, what was your point regarding UK tax dodging for certain firms?
We get a say appropriate to our size. I don’t know how this takes effect, if at all. Apart from anything else, Frau Merkel and the Fourth Reich have already said they don’t agree with some of the points. Just because the commission suggests a plan, doesn’t mean that it will happen. Anyway, what on earth are you worried about? You are sailing into the sunset as global Britain with trade deals all over the world. Whether the EU has a finance minister or not shouldn’t bother you. I think that some sort of coordination of budgets, taxes, policy etc. will have to come about eventually. All in favour of that and some form of USA non dependent form of defence is now necessary with the current USA policy of MAGA and screw the rest. Enjoying the benefits of border free travel and a single currency at the moment in Estonia.
What does that title mean in English btw?
No, but I will post a description of Juncker‘s role for your benefit:
Role
The President is the head of the European Commission. According to the Treaties, he decides on the organisation of the Commission, allocates portfolios to members of the Commission and can make changes at any time. The President also determines the Commission's policy agenda, defending the general European interest. The President was elected by the European Parliament on the basis of his Political Guidelines that were formed drawing on his contacts with the parliamentary committees and the strategic guidelines for the Union presented by the European Council of 27 June 2014:
It is a policy agenda not a blank cheque. He was elected by the European Parliament to ‚defend the general European interest‘ which he is doing through his policy agenda- which has to be debated and approved. Now that we are gone, his agenda has become more ambitious. We now have nothing at all to say on the matter. Well done Brexiteers.
Astute
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How about commenting on the link then?
MP's always lie to us. Anyone with half a working braincell knows that. Remain lied. Leave lied. You only concentrate on leave though.
Astute
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Make your mind up.
You say we have less of a say as we are not in the Euro. Now you say it is down to size. Before you have said everyone has the same say.
I have never said everyone has the same say. I told you as an example how many MEPS UK had as opposed to Estonia. I also said we are up there with France, Germany and Italy. We have less say on finance in the Eurozone. You are the one who insists that we have no say and that Juncker is the boss of the EU.
Astute
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We didn't want Juncker to get his position.
Whenever we wanted something we got outvoted. We have got nothing since Maggie.
So do you think all the countries in the EU are going to agree that their finances should be taken over by the EU? Will they be able to stop it?
Sounds to me like the EU getting a tighter grip on more countries. A central bank?
Oh yes sorry. Just remembered it is getting ignored by the pro EU lot.
And the biggest thing in the EU is finances. We pay for a large part of it. Yet you admit that there are countries that put much less in than us but get a bigger say.
clint van damme
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because what remain did is irrelevant, we voted leave. Same as people banging on about Labours manifesto, they're not in government, not relevant.
Astute
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Irrelevant that they lied?
You are sinking to new lows. Then you will be saying that you don't have biased views.
clint van damme
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How did remain lie? The doom and gloom predictions could still happen we haven't left yet.
But the remain campaign is now irrelevant, what's important is negotiating the best exit deal we can.
The biggest lie of either side was the 350 mil NHS lie but you seem OK with that.
Astute
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The remain lot lied to us. The leave lot lied to us. None of it is irrelevant.
Cameron said he was going to be having talks with Juncker. Juncker said no talks were planned and that there was going to be no talks. That was the PM lying to us. How can that be irrelevant?
clint van damme
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because we voted leave and all that matters now is getting through this as painfully as possible. Hopefully I've misread the whole situation and we'll get through it and thrive.
Astute
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Showing your true colours here :jawdrop:
As painfully as possible? :smuggrin:
We don't know what will happen. And I don't think we will have a clue for a couple of years.
Grendel
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clint van damme
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and what is the relevance to Brexit negotiations?
You'll never convince me that the most dishonest campaign of the two was remain but Is who lied most in the referendum campaign relevant post vote?
Astute
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I would go for most politicians who moved their lips.
Grendel
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If you won’t be convinced by actual facts presented for you to read then there is little point in continuing a discussion.
clint van damme
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what facts? You think there aren't hundreds of articles which put a case for the leave campaign being the most dishonest?
Just because you link an article it doesn't give it anymore gravitas.
Astute
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You can argue as much as you want. Both sides were dishonest. And none of it is irrelevant.
clint van damme
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I think it is, (just my opinion), in as much as none of it will have any bearing on what goes on over the next couple of years with regard to Brexit negotiations.
Astute
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But my point is that those on the remain side lied to us. Now some of them from the remain side are supposed to be sorting out us leaving. That makes it very relevant to me.
How are we supposed to trust any of them?
Remain made false predictions..... but, not necessarily in all cases. Time will tell. We haven’t left yet, but things are not looking rosy. Leaving is proving more complicated than people believed or said. Nothing positive has happened yet. We have no deals, we are still paying into the EU and although EU citizens are leaving, we still havé a housing and infrastructure crisis. People are having to watch their pebbles a bit more as inflation kicks in.
Are you complaining about being outvoted? Not long ago you were a democrat asking the people who were outvoted to get over it. Make your mind up. Are you a democrat who accepts being outvoted or are you just a moaner?
We have a central bank. We need greater financial cohesion and a fairer vat system. In order to get that we need an EU finance minister and ministry. There will also have to be a transfer system to help countries like Greece who cannot get out of trouble under their own steam.
The countries in the EU will have to agree to whatever system is needed in order to progress. The EU is not a foreign power to members of the EU. It will be to us though.
What is your solution to inequality in Europe? Quit?
Astute
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I mentioned one of the lies that Cameron came out with. He came out with others and was also totally out of order with what he said. He was so disrespectful. And that was the PM. It was nothing to do with trade deals or that sort of thing. And you know it.
Grendel
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What about the next forty years?
skybluetony176
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There’s a big difference between outlandish claims of what could have happened after brexit and outright lies. Even the opening gambit of the article is incorrect as was the bus. The Gross figure is actually £360M not £350M, the nett figure is closer to £270M IIRC, of which a lot also comes back to the UK as subsidies and funding for various projects (don’t recall the exact amount of the top of my head) so not was the figure on the bus incorrect it was also a lie because there never was £350M sent out never to be seen again that could have been spent on the NHS. When you consider the people who come up with the campaign they either knew it to be untrue or worryingly they’re so incompetent they didn’t realise that they were driving around with something completely untrue on the side of the bus. I say worryingly because some of these people are in government and in senior positions. I’m thinking specifically of Gove, Boris and Davies here. Gulp.