The Duke (16 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Kid]

this one i dont agree with, nazon has crafted a chance and its been blocked, its not like teammates were in view and in gaping space etc

At the time of receiving the ball, all 3 City players were marked and were in no better a position than Duke. He did what every player in that position would/should have done.... Shoot!

 

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[covcity4life]

At the time of receiving the ball, all 3 City players were marked and were in no better a position than Duke. He did what every player in that position would/should have done.... Shoot!

indeed way i see it too. also the fact balls played infront of him during a counter attack means stopping forward momentum on off chance a striker is free(he wouldnt know beforehand as hes infront of them) would be ridiculous.

definitely room for improvement though ,just not in this instance

 

[Nick]

agree, if you dont think controlling a highball with thigh and volleying it in one fluid motion is not special not much else to say

One fluid motion? It was a good ball across, he controlled it with his knee and it went up in the air and he had time to let it come down to volley it. It was a good finish, but not really close to his goal against swindon or the one he scored against Japan.

 

[Nick]

At the time of receiving the ball, all 3 City players were marked and were in no better a position than Duke. He did what every player in that position would/should have done.... Shoot!

What about the other 5 or 6?

 

[covcity4life]

One fluid motion?

didnt let the ball hit ground from what i remmember. maybe "one" motion isnt correct description, but he did all fluidly

 

[Nick]

didnt let the ball hit ground from what i remmember. maybe "one" motion isnt correct description, but he did all fluidly

Let's not pretend we wouldn't go apeshit if that was our keeper.

A good goal for us yes though, not taking anything away from his control and the power. It's not really close to the Swindon goal though or in the wonder goal category.

 

[covcity4life]

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Let's not pretend we wouldn't go apeshit if that was our keeper.

A good goal for us yes though, not taking anything away from his control and the power. It's not really close to the Swindon goal though or in the wonder goal category.

i didnt "pretend" anything about the keepers part in it.

the control and shot was sublime and for me retains its wonder goal status, takes real skill to do that

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Look at the reaction here from both Kelly and McNulty, Grimmer has also gone mad at him about it.

I'd much rather this type of goal more often than worldies

Erm 1... 2... 3 other City players unless my eyes are deceiving me. what happened in the rest of the game I wouldn't know, seeing as I wasn't there. My reply was to your example gif.

 

[Nick]

Erm 1... 2... 3 other City players unless my eyes are deceiving me.

Here we go again, you jump into threads and can't understand the discussion going on.

 

[covcity4life]

Only way he can pass there is if he checks back immeditley and its a fast moving counter which usualy isnt best place for thaf. Also he does beat rhe man initially. Its a good block.

The saturday 1 is a good example. Was calling out for a threaded pass. But i imagine their are examples from othrr players picking wrong pass too vs crawley

Nick how do you make gifs of cov highlights? Be helpful to explain how i see it perhaps

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Here we go again, you jump into threads and can't understand the discussion going on.

Here we go again for FUCKS SAKE. READ MY POST!!!!"!!

 

[Nick]

Here we go again for FUCKS SAKE. READ MY POST!!!!"!!

I have, you are trying to patronise me clearly not understanding. It's embarrassing.

You catch the tail end of something and zone in and go all out thinking you are getting one over on people, you fail miserably with the fact you haven't got a clue what's being discussed.

 

[Nick]

Only way he can pass there is if he checks back immeditley and its a fast moving counter which usualy isnt best place for thaf. Also he does beat rhe man initially. Its a good block.

The saturday 1 is a good example. Was calling out for a threaded pass. But i imagine their are examples from othrr players picking wrong pass too vs crawley

Nick how do you make gifs of cov highlights? Be helpful to explain how i see it perhaps

You can do it on giphy if it's a youtube video. Search, Discover, Share, and Create Animated GIFs | GIPHY

 

[stupot07]

Ha ha, agreed.

I wouldn't want him to cut of his selfish streak as is in all strikers but in these two chances

I do expect a professional footballer to do the right thing, trying the shot from 20+ yards when a team mates a clear sight isn't it and in the second picture he loses the ball all together.

People are quick to hammer McNulty but some (not you I don't think) need to see that he's putting him self in the right areas where most likely he'd score from one of them chances.

There's absolutely no excuse for him not slipping in McNulty in both of these occasions. No matter how you cut it, that's poor and selfish play.

He has talent, but he needs to play as a team player and not go for glory at every opportunity. Bottom line is he should have had 3 assists on Saturday and we win the game.


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[Sky Blue Kid]

I have, you are trying to patronise me clearly not understanding. It's embarrassing.

You catch the tail end of something and zone in and go all out thinking you are getting one over on people, you fail miserably with the fact you haven't got a clue what's being discussed.

Taken the words right out of my mouth. I've played football at a good enough level to understand about being "Greedy" and having a "Brain" when and when not to have a shot on goal. In your example I would have done what Nazon did, and put my "Laces through the ball"

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

There's absolutely no excuse for him not slipping in McNulty in both of these occasions. No matter how you cut it, that's poor and selfish play.

He has talent, but he needs to play as a team player and not go for glory at every opportunity. Bottom line is he should have had 3 assists on Saturday and we win the game.


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Totally agree with you Stupot07. In these instances the ball should have been played through.

 

[Esoterica]

Here we go again for FUCKS SAKE. READ MY POST!!!!"!!

Nick meant the 5 or 6 other attempts vs FGR where Nazon should have passed but shot - which has been the topic of the whole debate. He wasn't referring to the other players in the box which is why he then said you were jumping into the thread.
Well done for counting to 3 anyway. Have a biscuit.

 

[Nick]

Taken the words right out of my mouth. I've played football at a good enough level to understand about being "Greedy" and having a the "Brain" when and when not to have a shot on goal. In your example I would have done what Nazon did, and put my "Laces through the ball"

It's about his decision making as a whole. More often than not he tries to shoot through players.

Look at the other 5/6 examples to get a bigger picture.

In that one he could have laid it square, that's the way opponents have scored past us by just laying it off in that position to a free man and tapping it in. It isn't as obvious as some of the others but again that was about the 4th time in that game he made the wrong choice, hence players are pissed off with him.

At his 2nd touch he takes it on his right foot, even here you can see McNulty screaming for it.



It's all well and good a striker being hungry to shoot and get goals, but there is only so much before it starts to have a negative impact. Especially when you are chasing games, at 2 or 3-0 up it's not so bad.

 

[Esoterica]

It's about his decision making as a whole. More often than not he tries to shoot through players.

Look at the other 5/6 examples to get a bigger picture.

In that one he could have laid it square, that's the way opponents have scored past us by just laying it off in that position to a free man and tapping it in. It isn't as obvious as some of the others but again that was about the 4th time in that game he made the wrong choice, hence players are pissed off with him.

At his 2nd touch he takes it on his right foot, even here you can see McNulty screaming for it.

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It's all well and good a striker being hungry to shoot and get goals, but there is only so much before it starts to have a negative impact.

I actually saw a couple of players stop or not make their run on Saturday when he got the ball in the 25 yard range. And that was the really worrying part for me, people are switching off when he gets the ball now.

 

[covcity4life]

It's about his decision making as a whole. More often than not he tries to shoot through players.

Look at the other 5/6 examples to get a bigger picture.

In that one he could have laid it square, that's the way opponents have scored past us by just laying it off in that position to a free man and tapping it in. It isn't as obvious as some of the others but again that was about the 4th time in that game he made the wrong choice, hence players are pissed off with him.

At his 2nd touch he takes it on his right foot, even here you can see McNulty screaming for it.

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It's all well and good a striker being hungry to shoot and get goals, but there is only so much before it starts to have a negative impact. Especially when you are chasing games, at 2 or 3-0 up it's not so bad.

Mcnulty is behind him thrtr and its stopped at a point he is trying to control the ball and keep.it in his path

Understand your point but will have to agree to disagree on this particular one

My last point in this one, i think with a playe rlike nazon or jones you have to expect a few selfish decisions but agree with nearly everyone that it has to be less often

But everyones gutted about jones being injured yet he also is v selfish, noe hes gone we need nazon even more than ever to fill that void so yes lets ask for improvement but not total change to the way he plays.

 

[Nick]

Doesn't matter if he is behind him, what happens when the ball is cut back.

It's stopped when he takes his touch with his right and is facing that way, he then goes the opposite way onto his left.

People can accept the odd long shot or being a bit selfish, I can understand it but like you say he needs to cut it out of his game when we are chasing games. If we are 2-0 up then crack on.

 

[covcity4life]

Its a aplit second stop to turn momentum against defender imo and it works. Football is full of moments where a diff decision leads to diff outcome. Too hard to say right and wronf

So when the clearly wrong instances do come up i can agree he must do better

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Nick meant the 5 or 6 other attempts vs FGR where Nazon should have passed but shot - which has been the topic of the whole debate. He wasn't referring to the other players in the box which is why he then said you were jumping into the thread.
Well done for counting to 3 anyway. Have a biscuit.

I also suggest you read my posts #113 and #121

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Nick meant the 5 or 6 other attempts vs FGR where Nazon should have passed but shot - which has been the topic of the whole debate. He wasn't referring to the other players in the box which is why he then said you were jumping into the thread.
Well done for counting to 3 anyway. Have a biscuit.

 

[steve82]

Does it really matter where he scores goals from, outside/inside/tap ins/worldies, as long as he scores.

Does it matter where he scores from, no not in the slightest. But what does matter is where he try's a speculative shot when there are much better options that's wasting a better opportunity. Yes you don't score unless you try or shoot but a bit of composure, being more alert to what's happing around you wouldn't go a miss.

How many times do you here the crowd shout Shoooottttt! anywhere near the box? If you don't try, you don't score. Players should be encouraged to "Have a pop" like South Americans and other European Countries not have that particular talent in players stifled.

How many times have we heard a frustrated home crowd shout "forwards" when the opposition playing negative and are camped deep with 11 players behind the ball squeezing the play. Doesn't mean it's right all the time. Sometimes you have to go back and pull the opposition out to create a opening back in. And then should you get in not waste it by shooting in silly areas and taking the wrong option.

England are a typical high profile example of average teams who go to Wembley to keep the defeat low and compact play happier to let us play along our defensive midfielders and defence recycling the ball probing.

We're seeing similar tactics at the Ricoh with some sides like Crawley coming with negative game plans hoping to snatch a point from a error or set piece.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Does it matter where he scores from, no not in the slightest. But what does matter is where he try's a speculative shot when there are much better options that's wasting a better opportunity. Yes you don't score unless you try or shoot but a bit of composure, being more alert to what's happing around you wouldn't go a miss.




How many times have we heard a frustrated home crowd shout "forwards" when the opposition playing negative and are camped deep with 11 players behind the ball squeezing the play. Doesn't mean it's right all the time. Sometimes you have to go back and pull the opposition out to create a opening back in. And then should you get in not waste it by shooting in silly areas and taking the wrong option.

England are a typical high profile example of average teams who go to Wembley to keep the defeat low and compact play happier to let us play along our defensive midfielders and defence recycling the ball probing.

We're seeing similar tactics at the Ricoh with some sides like Crawley coming with negative game plans hoping to snatch a point from a error or set piece.

What does it say to you when almost all of the bottom clubs have beaten or drawn with us, yet the other top of the league teams smash the FGR, Crawleys, Stevenage etc. We're just not good enough at the end of the day. And finally, read my posts #106 #113 and #121 thanks.

 

[Nick]

What does it say to you when almost all of the bottom clubs have beaten or drawn with us, yet the other top of the league teams smash the FGR, Crawleys, Stevenage etc. We're just not good enough at the end of the day. And finally, read my posts #106 #113 and #121 thanks.

You do realise we are discussing one of the very reasons we aren't scoring enough?

 

[steve82]

What does it say to you when almost all of the bottom clubs have beaten or drawn with us, yet the other top of the league teams smash the FGR, Crawleys, Stevenage etc. We're just not good enough at the end of the day. And finally, read my posts #106 #113 and #121 thanks.

Thanks for the invite to read your posts #106, #113 and #121.... in two you suggest Nazon was right for shooting and encourage it as players we're likely marked but then suggest that Nazon should of rightly passed on Saturday.

If I'm reading right we're agreeing that if the players don't make the right decision in attacking moments you don't win the game when your testing the opposition keeper a limited amount of times like Saturday.

However your not gonna get many chances to score if the opposition are sitting deep and playing negative which makes the point about players not making the right decision more critical like Nazon playing solo in the first 45 mins on Saturday or wasting pot shots and teams are taking a point or all three from the Ricoh from our own errors in play be it keeper errors or lapse moments of play.

Maybe it's that the players are good enough but the team isn't as we rarely play as a full team together for 90+ minutes.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

You do realise we are discussing one of the very reasons we aren't scoring enough?

Don't patronise me mate. You've set out your table trying to get me to eat from it I've stated my opinions for and against Nazon. Stop trying the "Big I am" with me.

 

[Nick]

Don't patronise me mate. You've set out your table trying to get me to eat from it I've stated my opinions for and against Nazon. Stop trying the "Big I am" with me.

You have based it off a gif...I don't need to give it anything, your posts do the work when you constantly storm in without understanding.

I don't need to set you any table, you are constantly in my bin looking for scraps. I'm going to have to start locking it.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Thanks for the invite to read your posts #106, #113 and #121.... in two you suggest Nazon was right for shooting and encourage it as players we're likely marked but then suggest that Nazon should of rightly passed on Saturday.

If I'm reading right we're agreeing that if the players don't make the right decision in attacking moments you don't win the game when your testing the opposition keeper a limited amount of times like Saturday.

However your not gonna get many chances to score if the opposition are sitting deep and playing negative which makes the point about players not making the right decision more critical like Nazon playing solo in the first 45 mins on Saturday or wasting pot shots and teams are taking a point or all three from the Ricoh from our own errors in play be it keeper errors or lapse moments of play.

Maybe it's that the players are good enough but the team isn't as we rarely play as a full team together for 90+ minutes.

Just correcting Nick in that instance. Nazon was right to have a crack and have said any player in that position should/would have done. I've also said in the two instances from the photos he should also have put the ball through. I've also stated I wasn't at the game so won't pass opinion on the rest of the game only the instances highlighted through gifs and photos. Am I not entitled to give opinions on those?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

You have based it off a gif...I don't need to give it anything, your posts do the work when you constantly storm in without understanding.

I don't need to set you any table, you are constantly in my bin looking for scraps. I'm going to have to start locking it.

Fuck off you bigheaded twat. you thrive on any post I make turning and twisting my words. Ignore button is there.... USE IT. As for "Bin Dipping" you've cleaned my bin out!

 

[covcity4life]

My friends must every debate end in swearing ans flame wars?

Old me would revel in it. New me just finds it dissapointing tbh. This was 1 chat that was tactical until estorica turned the thread for the worse and it never recovered

 

[Nick]

Fuck off you bigheaded twat. you thrive on any post I make turning and twisting my words. Ignore button is there.... USE IT.

I don't need to twist anything, if you want to make a large percentage of your posts replying to me, expect some back.

I'm not being big headed, it's fact. Look through your post history and see how many are desperately trying to prove me wrong about things.

I make plenty of posts not in reply to you, shame the same can't be said in reverse. Who's thriving on who?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

My friends must every debate end in swearing ans flame wars?

Old me would revel in it. New me just finds it dissapointing tbh. This was 1 chat that was tactical until estorica turned the thread for the worse and it never recovered