ccfcchris
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Should be loads of people willing to go that refuse to go to City games while SISU are here?
Stand up if you've never watched Wasps (28 Viewers)
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Hobo
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I heard nothing about their petition. Can you show the the relevant thread of outrage from their forum? Can you show the other protests they have organised?
Our club has organised many and you know it, even if you disagreed at the type of protest organised. I haven't been in favour of them all.
But we have had at least one decent march into the city centre. Now show me evidence of a Wasps protest March Mr Grendel
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letsallsingtogether
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Usually when we are away so plenty could go I've been 3 times without missing a City home game.
Plenty of City fans and you get updates on the City score.
chiefdave
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How does everyone else afford it? They were offered use of the Brentford Community Stadium which is just over a mile from their original ground but turned it down. London Irish will be moving there instead.
How have clubs like Barnet and AFC Wimbledon managed it, not exactly clubs renowned for being loaded.
Captain Dart
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Lets not head directly down the reductio ad absurdum route. The EFL regulations prevent clubs moving more than 8 miles from the area with which it is traditionally associated.
letsallsingtogether
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Fuck off where Have I said I support them. I was just making a comment, get back to bed.
Where were you and your cry babies when we went on those two protests.
(EXCUSES HERE)
As for fisher, when you get your head out of his arse clean your glasses you might see clearly for once.
letsallsingtogether
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Don't Wimbledon already own the land and, didn't Barnet move into a ground that was built for Wealdstone FC who went bust due to spending all there money on a stadium? don't they also share there ground with the Bees and haven' London Broncos also played there.
skybluetony176
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Stop talking bollocks. SISU wouldn’t cough up to move the club lock stock and barrel anywhere let alone Belfast. You may as well say would it be OK if SISU moved us to the moon. If you have to make up completely fictional scenarios to try and prove a point you’re diminishing your own point.
skybluetony176
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50% my arse. I signed that petition as did many of CCFC fans and like many of them have never been to a Wasps game ever or have any attention of.
You’ve answered your own question with your second point. How many are we averaging at the moment?
skybluetony176
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Said that from the start.
chiefdave
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No its on the site of the old dog racing stadium which was owned by Galliard Homes.
No, the land was (and possibly still is) owned by the council. Wealdstone were planning a new ground there but their investment partner went out of business so the plug got pulled on the project. The council then put the lease up for tender and Barnet purchased it and built the stadium that planning permission already existed for. They also retained ownership of their old ground.
skybluetony176
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Think it was London Welsh who were supposed to be moving or at least talking about moving there. Them going bust opened the door for Irish.
skybluetony176
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AFC will be leasing. The developer still owns the land as I understand it. Accommodating AFC was conditional of planning for the development, went all the way to Boris as I recall. The entire development is much larger than Wimbledon stadium.
letsallsingtogether
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Ah but they moved away after lease problems with Barnet Council.
Believe a school is being or has been built on the site of underhill stadium.
Went there once when a City xmas fixture against West Ham was postponed.
Funny that little Barnets groud was ok yet West Ham was unplayable.
Went in the away end with the Mansfield fans all 30 of them and 3 of us, chose them as Killer was in their team.
chiefdave
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Either way it shows that the claim it was not possible for Wasps to move back to London is completely false.
I think Wimbledon are putting in £7m towards the project and in return get the lease for the stadium. So a similar amount Wasps have got the lease on the Ricoh for.
At the end of the day the claim that it was impossible to find somewhere for a new stadium or prohibitively expensive are both clearly false.
letsallsingtogether
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Can everyone get a stadium that cheaply?
Fucking sisu didn't Want to pay for the Ricoh because no one else was interested in the shit hole.
Sisu are unable to finance one in little old Coventry.
Maybe Sisu should get hold of wimpy Homes, maybe they can trim the back gardens down a bit more and squeeze a stadium in.
chiefdave
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But the point is Barnet have built and moved to a new stadium. Something we are being told was an impossibility for Wasps.
letsallsingtogether
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If it wasn't in the Coventry Observer then it's bullshit.
skybluetony176
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Similar amount but not a similar stadium. Half the capacity initially and will never have the ability to expand to the Ricoh’s capacity. AFC are also only getting a stadium, no exhibition hall, no hotel, no casino etc. Don’t think they’re even getting a car park.
Don’t think Wasps ever had an option at Brentford, think you’re clutching at straws there Dave.
Could Wasps have stayed in London? Absolutely. Could they have done it as freeholders or leaseholders. Unlikely. More likely they would have been renting on match days only which clearly wasn’t what they wanted.
If you’re going to compare eggs to prove a point Dave it’s always best to do it with eggs. Their owners clearly had a vision and there wasn’t an option for that vision in London.
chiefdave
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Without examining all new stadiums I couldn't say but AFC seems to follow the model of the Ricoh in that a small amount of capital is required (in the Ricoh's case £10m) and then the rest can be access via grants and the development of adjacent land for non stadium purposes. In the case of the Ricoh the shopping centre and conference hall, in the case of AFC housing.
letsallsingtogether
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But did they drop lucky?
Look I don't know I really don't give a fuck about the Wasps to be honest.
I Support the City and Cov and if it wasn't for this forum and peoples facination and obsession with them, I wouldn' even mention them.
Every thread mentions them no wonder most of us only post or read this forum when we are bored or just want to wind up the saviours of the world........
PUSB
skybluetony176
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Didn’t Barnet take possession of the site though back in 2006? Richardson didn’t take ownership of Wasps until 2013 so it was never an option.
Dave, if you want to prove a point you need to be doing it with reality not fiction.
chiefdave
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I'm not saying that specific site, I'm saying it is possible. Other teams mange it. They even manage it incredibly close to Wasps traditional home.
Anyway Wasps moved temporarily to High Wycombe in 2002 so could easily have got involved with any plans from that point on as other Premiership sides have done.
Grendel
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The petition reached 2,700
Wasps fans threaten weekend protests over club's move to Coventry's Ricoh Arena
skybluetony176
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On what basis though? Wasps owners clearly wanted freehold or leasehold. I’m not saying it’s right that things worked out as they have but just like I said to Grendull if you’re going to make things up to try and prove a point you’re diminishing the point you’re trying to make.
Wasps shouldn’t be here on that we agree but inventing scenarios to “prove” they had other opinions doesn’t prove they had other options.
Only one sports team was ever going to take ownership of Wimbledon stadium by way of lease or freehold and that’s the one who has. Barnet already had ownership on their site 7 years before Richardson had ownership of Wasps and wasps prior to that had no means to finance anything. They were never considered for Brentford either and even if they were it would have been on a match day rental basis only which isn’t what their owner wanted. It’s all very well and good saying that they had opportunities and who knows maybe they did. But they certainly didn’t have those ones so I don’t understand what you gain from repeatedly insisting they did. You’re losing your own argument by bearing a false witness.
skybluetony176
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How many were existing wasps fans though? I signed it as did many CCFC fans. There was a link on here, Facebook CCFC supporter pages, Twitter CCFC pages etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of people who signed it were CCFC fans.
Compare a threat (that never materialised) to walk out to the protest marches, fix football petition (pretty sure you mocked that for it’s numbers as you mocked every form of CCFC fans protest), noise made at games repeatedly over seasons, pitch invasions, boycotts, the amount of signs we’ve held up at games etc etc then yes. Wasps fans did fuck all. Although to be fair they still did more than you and the rest of the doing it the Neville Chamberlain way have done about our own predicament.
letsallsingtogether
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I find it funnier how nearly every thread on here mentions the wasps.
Yes they are to blame for buying the Ricoh but every thing else is Sisu fault, funny how those same posters crying like babies justified the move to Sixfields and everything else those bastards have done.
Grendel and 4 or 5 others on here scream blue murder but have done absolutey nothing about ether side bar critise and cry in their soup.
So goodnight and have a Good new year to you all
Hope we get a win to see it in. PUSB
Grendel
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Is that in the same FL that have a 10 year ground occupancy rule?
chiefdave
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Are you deliberately being obtuse? As I said before I wasn't just referring to those examples.
There are plenty of clubs, both football and rugby, in London who have moved to new stadiums in recent years. Therefore the assertion that it was impossible for Wasps to do so doesn't stand up. Not all those projects are in the past, there are stadiums currently being built and others at the planning stage. How come all those other clubs can manage it but not Wasps.
Now you're saying they moved to find a ground that met specific requirements regarding ownership model. Does that apply to everyone, can other teams just randomly move about as and when it suits with no concern for the fans they are leaving behind?
dongonzalos
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I actually justified the council selling. Wasps buying is wrong especially if the majority of Was fans didn’t want the move.
skybluetony176
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No I’m not being obtuse I’m just being a realist.
Again on what basis. Wasps owners have been clear about ownership. What options have been available to wasps under their current owner that involves ownership?
Olympic stadium? Rental only?Arsenals new stadium? How would they finance it? Spurs new stadium? How would they have financed it? Brentford’s new stadium? Never offered like you claim, London Welsh were the initial proposed partner replaced by Irish when Welsh went bust and only ever on a match day basis. Wimbledon? Only got planning because AFC are behind it, so if they had have got on board it would have been on a match day basis. You’re bearing false witness to your own argument thus losing your own argument. Wasps shouldn’t be in Coventry, you either believe that or you don’t but you’re not proving anything by making things up.
No it doesn’t apply to any team when suits. It doesn’t suit me that wasps are here but I ain’t going to make up bullshit to form an argument for that. You really don’t need to and all you’re doing is creating a sideshow drawing away attention from the real argument. Same as Grendull does with his fantasy that wasps fans protested ahead of the move. They really didn’t. Why pretend otherwise.
dongonzalos
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Then the issue is not just about franchising, it’s because their franchising affects us, which was my pint to the person I was speaking to who said they purelybhate Wasps due to franchising
I would suggest more people started going to CRFC especially considering Wasps were not here when our owners intentially engineered the move to Northampton.
I do not think it is a high number that now go to Wasps games at all. How many do you think now go to Wasps instead?
So our owners say they are building a news stadium. They are not interested in the Ricoh and they have no issue with the Wasps purchase as it doesn’t affect their plans to build the new stadium. Yet you blame our fans for not causing a riot over the sale. Comedy gold you are as bad a Zack.
I hope you keep that approach up when MK Dons come to town
chiefdave
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Why are you putting additional conditions on it? That's not how it should work, an owners fancies a certain ground arrangement so they up and move across the country.
Stop making excuses for them. The primary consideration should be the history of the club and its supoorters not what type of stadium deal the owner desires.
When QPR move out of Loftus Road will you be happy for SISU to move us there as they desire stadium ownership? Nobody in their right mind would say it is OK for us to move out of Coventry just because the owners want ownership rather than any other type of ground agreement yet your using that reasoning to justify claims Wasps had no other option than to move to Coventry.
BTW as you are convinced Wasps had no chance of moving to Brentford who do you think the three rugby clubs Brentford said they were in talks with about 50 / 50 ownership of the new stadium were? I would suggest Wasps were one of the three as pretty much every press report from the time puts them as the favourites.