Mary_Mungo_Midge
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.... and will all else stacked against the team; any plaudits for Thorn and the way he set about this evening?
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torchomatic
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Don't hold your breath. After a defeat and the forum would have been littered with threads. Typical too as I'm at a mates house with the wives for a meal that was organised a while back. We're both season ticket holders and pissed off for not going. We listenened to it though. Come on!
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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I know what you mean. We played well tonight against a decent team, scored a injury-time winner and battled through with so few fit players it's untrue.
Thorn's had a terrible season - that's sure.
However; 100+ views of this thread so far, and only one person can find any form of positivity in Thorn's direction? Say's everything about the nature of many.....
Thorn's had a terrible season - that's sure.
However; 100+ views of this thread so far, and only one person can find any form of positivity in Thorn's direction? Say's everything about the nature of many.....
See my post, sorry to disappoint
torchomatic
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Couldn't agree more. Such a contrast after the defeat at Blackpool.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Which post?
torchomatic
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I am! It's just so fucking annoying though. There would have been a hundred anti-AT thread if we'd have lost.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Scan down, should have said thread
Found it. Even gave you a 'like', which for a time I considered would be a rarer beast than an injury time winner
Colonel Mustard
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It doesn't alter things one way or t'other. When CCFC lose, AT is doing his best with limited resources and nobody could do more; when CCFC win after a gut-busting performance, AT apparently deserves credit.
What I'm interested in - and I hope you'll agree this is fair enough - is a body of work. I believe AT's work thus far has been substandard and his stewardship increases the club's chances of relegation.
I root for AT by default because I root for the club. I'd much rather CCFC avoid relegation and be proven wrong than vice versa. But pushing for credit after one game just won't do in the context of a much bigger, more dubious record.
What I'm interested in - and I hope you'll agree this is fair enough - is a body of work. I believe AT's work thus far has been substandard and his stewardship increases the club's chances of relegation.
I root for AT by default because I root for the club. I'd much rather CCFC avoid relegation and be proven wrong than vice versa. But pushing for credit after one game just won't do in the context of a much bigger, more dubious record.
Found it. Even gave you a 'like', which for a time I considered would be a rarer beast than an injury time winner
Truly honoured sir
I have been praying for this approach all season. We are a half decent team and should believe in ourselves more. I still think AT has been culpable but if he is growing with experience then FairPlay. And if he keeps us up then move over George and John there's a new hero in town
torchomatic
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No, you're not alone. I am one of his "apologists" too apparently. Good on him. We don't always get the results we deserve; no, the table doesn't lie, but he has got us playing football.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Whilst I understand what you're saying; and equally would agree that the totality of Thorn's stewardship is clearly sub-standard, what I was interested in is whether some personalities could, or would see any positivity in Thorn's work. A refusal to recognise any merit appears to indicate a rather closed mind. I have repeatedly stated I think Thorn's been thrust into a role for which he's hopelessly unqualified, but have the good grace to acknowledge that this evening, for once, he appeared to get every call right.
I equally look at the quality of Norwood and Nimely and wonder - if those empowered to do so - could secure the obviously talented players he's charged them with getting for him; then just how transformed our run-in could be
Colonel Mustard
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Childish. There are many intelligent fans among the 'doom merchants' who want a sunnier future for the club.
torchomatic
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Actually, I agree with Astute. Look back at the post Blackpool threads to see what the definition of childish is...fuck off Thorn...fat...shit...etc.
They are conspicious by their absence. And it doesn't surprise me one little bit.
They are conspicious by their absence. And it doesn't surprise me one little bit.
BackRoomRummermill
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The doom merchants are here , unlike the next candidates for the greek finance ministry i see.
We are in deep shite , everyone has a game in hand or two over us, we are relyng on other clubs going bust to MAYBE even survive this league
We have a clusterfuck manager
Apart from that I am overjoyed we won tonight but alas all in vain unless a miracle happens I am afraid. Just for the record I am 100% sky blue which is why I am so pissed off
Reality pills need to be handed out all round guys
PUSB
We are in deep shite , everyone has a game in hand or two over us, we are relyng on other clubs going bust to MAYBE even survive this league
We have a clusterfuck manager
Apart from that I am overjoyed we won tonight but alas all in vain unless a miracle happens I am afraid. Just for the record I am 100% sky blue which is why I am so pissed off
Reality pills need to be handed out all round guys
PUSB
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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There is no lack of reality BRR, so a 'check' isn't needed. We've won a game very well, and are building some - just some - momentum.
Anyone who can't offer even a slither of credit for that small step isn't giving a balanced stage to their thoughts, if you ask me.
And calling him a 'clusterfuck manager': well, you saved me having to appraise the value of the remainder of your post, by embarrassing yourself with that
Anyone who can't offer even a slither of credit for that small step isn't giving a balanced stage to their thoughts, if you ask me.
And calling him a 'clusterfuck manager': well, you saved me having to appraise the value of the remainder of your post, by embarrassing yourself with that
Otis
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Did think Thorn should have brought a sub on to be honest, but luckily Leeds cocked up their own substitution and took a striker off and brought a defender on, leaving the initiative firmly in the Sky Blue court.
Did notice he had Bigi stripped off at one point, but then Nimely took a knock so Thorn changed his mind.
Wasn't at all happy with the first 15 mins as we looked like we weren't up for it, but if Thorn instilled that fight and spirit in them then I tip my hat. I was just so pleased to hear Thorn in the post-match interview with a smile on his face for once.
Great result, so plaudits to the team and the manager.
Did notice he had Bigi stripped off at one point, but then Nimely took a knock so Thorn changed his mind.
Wasn't at all happy with the first 15 mins as we looked like we weren't up for it, but if Thorn instilled that fight and spirit in them then I tip my hat. I was just so pleased to hear Thorn in the post-match interview with a smile on his face for once.
Great result, so plaudits to the team and the manager.
stnomskyblue
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In my short time as a member of this forum, I have steered clear of commenting on AT as a manager. However, as I have written on another thread tonight, At is a bloody genius as a scout. Nimley is amazing. I was not there tonight, but am reading rave reviews about Norwood. If only those shits sisu will give him the funds for a couple more loanees, I feel sure he will find other gems.:claping hands:
Colonel Mustard
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The idea of 'good grace' is really quite a partisan thing, don't you think? I refer you to my original point about how AT is excused when we lose, and 'good grace' is required when we win. I'm not interested in either, but rather the body of work. If AT won five on the bounce, then I doubt you'd be seeing any criticism aimed at the fellow; I doubt you'd see much if the players were being maxed out every game as they were today.
There's just no point to isolated praise/criticism when it comes to assessing a football manager. It's easy to forget that Eric Black did have his detractors at the end of his reign, but they weren't basing their opinion on him based on a proper evaluation of his body of work (which was excellent).
Dangerous area, because almost all managers would benefit from a cash infusion into the squad. You can only assess a manager based on what he's got and what he gets out of 'em, which will always be a subjective view tbf.
BackRoomRummermill
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I know I feel embarrased
After all Thorn is such an amazing manager, eh I mean look where we are in the league and all that
After all Thorn is such an amazing manager, eh I mean look where we are in the league and all that
BackRoomRummermill
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Be interesting to see what you say when we are officially down.
But then of course you wont say anything then will you, all the AT supporters.
But then of course you wont say anything then will you, all the AT supporters.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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I'm a touch perplexed by your line of argument in one way, CM. if you wish to judge a body of work, then why not look over a season? One full season should be a minimum any manager should ask for with regards judgement, surely. If so, you'd be premature in making any assessment - according to your own mantra - until the season ends? The 'body of work' as it were. However, I think that, in awaiting the body of work be complete, that is be possible to comment on highs and lows along the path to completion.
Which makes me wonder, given a little momentum in our favour at the moment; were Thorn to keep us up, how would you assess his body of work?
I can't see any merit in your last comment though, as Norwood and Nimely don't represent anything like a cash injection. They are the cheapest of the bargain basement loan players. My point being, if others could be attracted - bearing in mind the players who have left - then how much further could our fortunes be improved?
Which makes me wonder, given a little momentum in our favour at the moment; were Thorn to keep us up, how would you assess his body of work?
I can't see any merit in your last comment though, as Norwood and Nimely don't represent anything like a cash injection. They are the cheapest of the bargain basement loan players. My point being, if others could be attracted - bearing in mind the players who have left - then how much further could our fortunes be improved?
Otis
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Not going to critcise AT tonight, but at the end of the day, he had to play this team. The bench was 3 kids (Bigi, Ruffles and Willis) and fat Freddie.
Not every defeat is Andy Thorn's fault and by the same token, not every victory is simply down to him either. Tonight he played the team he had to play and the players gave it everything. If there is one thing Thorn can be singled out and be praised for tonight then that is the motivation of the players.
Not every defeat is Andy Thorn's fault and by the same token, not every victory is simply down to him either. Tonight he played the team he had to play and the players gave it everything. If there is one thing Thorn can be singled out and be praised for tonight then that is the motivation of the players.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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You should. Because no-one has said that. Tell you what, I'll wait when you find anywhere where anyone has called him 'amazing'.
You're going from bad to worse. You know when people stop laughing with you, and laugh at you. Yeah? It's now.....
I actually think we are a better team without him ,whether he's a good footballer or not. Idon't believe you can be totally committed when signing issues carry on ,have banged on all season that i think AT got it wrong giving ,him not Keogh the armband and performannces and results back that up ,RK has to retain the armband for the rest of the season for any chance of the Sky Blues staying up
ps1948
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I have been disappointed by Thorn's seeming unwillingness to try and secure victories when we have been in front, or drawing - the Ipswich match being the worst feeling of the season, BUT, tonight, with a team that effectively named itself, he got them going, and towards the end we looked like we were trying to win - and managed to actually do it. One swallow does not a summer make, but hope springs eternal, so lets just take the happy feeling we have now, and hope that we can do the same on Saturday
torchomatic
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It's very sad that you seem to be looking forward to that just so you can say "I told you so".
BackRoomRummermill
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No one is lauging at the situation especially myself, I am not laughing at you either.
You have tried to be clever, but in all honesty have failed as you are trying to make this personal at me which I find a little childish to be honest.
It still does not detract from the fact that CCFC are in deep mire while I respect your opinion that you support Thorn please do not disrespect mine that I find him useless.