The Presidents Club (3 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Typical of men in power? Pretty shocking behaviour from so called respectable men. Granted it wasn’t everyone present but it sounded pretty widespread behaviour on the night from the news reports. Certainly not an isolated incident from one dangerous moron. I’m guessing that the undercover reporter went there knowing what to expect so is this classed as appropriate behaviour in this world as it clearly must have happened before. The world is changing. Just not quick enough.

 

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[I_Saw_Shaw_Score]

I used to work in a restaurant waitering as a teen and this sort of behaviour was common place especially around Xmas time with Xmas parties from respectable organisations men and women all as bad as each other, I laughed it off and so did most the other staff but a few times it overstepped the mark with one girl that worked with me being pulled onto a blokes lap and an old boy grinding on her, our manager dealt with it awfully her argument (our manager) was the company this bloke worked for bought in a lot of business and clients as guests at the onsite hotel.

 

[Captain Dart]

Comment about Guy's & St Thomas NHS trust sending Presidents club donations back..

 

[Sick Boy]

I used to work in a restaurant waitering as a teen and this sort of behaviour was common place especially around Xmas time with Xmas parties from respectable organisations men and women all as bad as each other, I laughed it off and so did most the other staff but a few times it overstepped the mark with one girl that worked with me being pulled onto a blokes lap and an old boy grinding on her, our manager dealt with it awfully her argument (our manager) was the company this bloke worked for bought in a lot of business and clients as guests at the onsite hotel.

I used to do a bit of chefing back in the day when I was a teenager and it was pretty common for the waitresses to get hassled, especially as you say, around the Christmas period.

Towards the end of one night a 16 year old girl got groped by an bloke in his 50s and asked how much she 'was worth'. It ended with me and another chef running out of the kitchen to see what was going on with our chef knives in hand

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Good job they haven't found out about the strip night I went to at the Sphinx in the 90's then.
That makes this look like a tea party!!

 

[skybluetony176]

I used to work in a restaurant waitering as a teen and this sort of behaviour was common place especially around Xmas time with Xmas parties from respectable organisations men and women all as bad as each other, I laughed it off and so did most the other staff but a few times it overstepped the mark with one girl that worked with me being pulled onto a blokes lap and an old boy grinding on her, our manager dealt with it awfully her argument (our manager) was the company this bloke worked for bought in a lot of business and clients as guests at the onsite hotel.

I worked behind bars quite a lot in my youth and unfortunately female colleagues were regularly seen as fair game. Mostly just being chatted up but often inappropriate talk and on some occasions (especially when glass collecting) inappropriate physical contact, mainly consisting of arse pinching. It wasn’t restricted to women, regularly had my arse pinched by women when glass collecting and regularly got hit on. Mind you I am very handsome. Modest to.

 

[hill83]

Modest to.

Modest to what?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Interesting one this....

Whilst I don't condone any such behaviour.....I'd suggest its a bit of storm in a tea cup.......maybe driven in part by the current #metoo movement which appears to becoming a general witch hunt, which appears, to me at least, to diminish the far more serious cases of sexual harassment & assault....

The undercover FT journo who exposed it did state that a lot of the girls enjoyed it & were happy to join in with the flirting etc......many of them have returned several years in a row.
I'd suggest that anyone who takes the money, dons the required skimpy dress, matching underwear, high heels, signs the disclosure agreement & heads off to an exclusive men-only function as a hostess would be pretty naive to not expect to fend off a few advances from clumsy drunk rich twats....
I'd also suggest that if a load of young blokes were paid £200 + expenses for a few hours hosting work at a private business womens seminar where they were told to wear skimpy costumes etc. that they too would be subjected to the odd, inuendo, arse slap, pinch etc.

Anyhow.......I'm trying to avoid wasting my time on the internet......& I was doing well until Mark E Smith died......

 

[fernandopartridge]

Interesting one this....

Whilst I don't condone any such behaviour.....I'd suggest its a bit of storm in a tea cup.......maybe driven in part by the current #metoo movement which appears to becoming a general witch hunt, which appears, to me at least, to diminish the far more serious cases of sexual harassment & assault....

The undercover FT journo who exposed it did state that a lot of the girls enjoyed it & were happy to join in with the flirting etc......many of them have returned several years in a row.
I'd suggest that anyone who takes the money, dons the required skimpy dress, matching underwear, high heels, signs the disclosure agreement & heads off to an exclusive men-only function as a hostess would be pretty naive to not expect to fend off a few advances from clumsy drunk rich twats....
I'd also suggest that if a load of young blokes were paid £200 + expenses for a few hours hosting work at a private business womens seminar where they were told to wear skimpy costumes etc. that they too would be subjected to the odd, inuendo, arse slap, pinch etc.

Anyhow.......I'm trying to avoid wasting my time on the internet......& I was doing well until Mark E Smith died......

It's just a symptom of our money obsessed world, the fact that women are willing to attend and 'enjoy' it says a lot

 

[oakey]

Interesting one this....

Whilst I don't condone any such behaviour.....I'd suggest its a bit of storm in a tea cup.......maybe driven in part by the current #metoo movement which appears to becoming a general witch hunt, which appears, to me at least, to diminish the far more serious cases of sexual harassment & assault....

The undercover FT journo who exposed it did state that a lot of the girls enjoyed it & were happy to join in with the flirting etc......many of them have returned several years in a row.
I'd suggest that anyone who takes the money, dons the required skimpy dress, matching underwear, high heels, signs the disclosure agreement & heads off to an exclusive men-only function as a hostess would be pretty naive to not expect to fend off a few advances from clumsy drunk rich twats....
I'd also suggest that if a load of young blokes were paid £200 + expenses for a few hours hosting work at a private business womens seminar where they were told to wear skimpy costumes etc. that they too would be subjected to the odd, inuendo, arse slap, pinch etc.

Anyhow.......I'm trying to avoid wasting my time on the internet......& I was doing well until Mark E Smith died......

Completely disagree. You are justifying gross behaviour. Those days are over and we all need to get used to it.
If you research it you will find some negro slaves colluded with their slave owners and resisted their emancipation. Some women, especially young, good looking, fit women collude with all this because they have a lot to gain in the short term. Only when they are middle aged when they have been discarded and overlooked, probably divorced by a man who has found a younger, fitter model, will many of them realise that the patriarchal system is rigged to allow a minority of rich, privileged males to dominate and manipulate others.
This is the start of a long, slow change. It is disgusting and we should have no tolerance for it.

 

[oakey]

In addition the #metoo movement should not be dismissed as a bandwagon. Women of my generation, mid 50s, ALL, repeat ALL, will tell you they were groped, or harassed or worse when younger. Try asking them. It is high time that it was out in the open, not to witch hunt but telling the truth as carthartic.

 

[skybluetony176]

You can’t help but feel that the women who were “acceptable” of this behaviour are of low self esteem and have been conditioned at some point in their life that this behaviour is acceptable. A willing victim is still a victim.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I'm not justifying anything.....just suggesting this particular unseemly event has attracted way more coverage and fuss than it merits.....

I'm also not comparing it to the slave trade......wow!

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

You can’t help but feel that the women who were “acceptable” of this behaviour are of low self esteem and have been conditioned at some point in their life that this behaviour is acceptable. A willing victim is still a victim.

.....or, as was reported by miss Marriage, many may just have been young confident succesful women happy to earn a few hundred quid and get a few contacts whilst enjoying a few drinks during a nights work......

 

[oakey]

.....or, as was reported by miss Marriage, many may just have been young confident succesful women happy to earn a few hundred quid and get a few contacts whilst enjoying a few drinks during a nights work......

Just because a few women like it, allegedly, doesn't mean that it isn't wrong.
Some abused people don't recognise the abuse for what it is, or believe this is a natural state so why fight it, or believe the money is worth it. Sad, but true.

 

[skybluetony176]

Just because a few women like it, allegedly, doesn't mean that it isn't wrong.
Some abused people don't recognise the abuse for what it is, or believe this is a natural state so why fight it, or believe the money is worth it. Sad, but true.

How many times have we heard a repeatedly battered wife or partner make excuses for the man battering them? He only does it because he loves me for instance. It’s conditioning. Doesn’t mean it should be acceptable.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

This to me is indeed 'gross behaviour' as pointed out by one...but I disagree that it is a symptom of a money culture. It is a symptom of changing attitudes that some men & women find this behaviour frankly at least embarrassing for the male population as a whole (just as women should perhaps find the girls participating for the money?).
BUT we all have a basic instinct to satisfy that drives us all to behave in this way at one level & to one degree or another. Money/power in terms of the behaviour doesn't form a part of the argument for me - poor people in general have the same basic, sometimes hedonistic instincts. The furore is simply because a reporter had a chance to gain a story to bash a few moneybags men...so she could raise her profile & increase HER value in HER chosen field.

So I say live & let live within the law. The girls are taking the money...but could probably walk out at any point still demanding payment if they were not expecting to find such attentions. The men just look like a bunch of heathens, but if the opportunity to grope an attractive willing young female aroses in what they consider to be a protected environment...a lot of men (& women in the reverse situation) would probably be inclined to have a go.

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[Sick Boy]

.....or, as was reported by miss Marriage, many may just have been young confident succesful women happy to earn a few hundred quid and get a few contacts whilst enjoying a few drinks during a nights work......

At university I lived with an incrediby beautiful 18 year old girl studying rocket science. She worked as a private lap dancer/stripper in central Brighton and kept shoe boxes full of 50 pound notes under her bed along with ounces of some of the finest ganja I'd ever smoked.

She even danced for a famous comedian at one point without realising who he was. Her parents also bought her and her sister a 1million pound flat in Kensington to hang-out in.

Even though this was 12/13 years ago, I can understand where you're coming from, but I think wider society is slowly moving away from it though as being something that is acceptable.

 

[The Great Eastern]

This to me is indeed 'gross behaviour' as pointed out by one...but I disagree that it is a symptom of a money culture. It is a symptom of changing attitudes that some men & women find this behaviour frankly at least embarrassing for the male population as a whole (just as women should perhaps find the girls participating for the money?).
BUT we all have a basic instinct to satisfy that drives us all to behave in this way at one level & to one degree or another. Money/power in terms of the behaviour doesn't form a part of the argument for me - poor people in general have the same basic, sometimes hedonistic instincts. The furore is simply because a reporter had a chance to gain a story to bash a few moneybags men...so she could raise her profile & increase HER value in HER chosen field.

So I say live & let live within the law. The girls are taking the money...but could probably walk out at any point still demanding payment if they were not expecting to find such attentions. The men just look like a bunch of heathens, but if the opportunity to grope an attractive willing young female aroses in what they consider to be a protected environment...a lot of men (& women in the reverse situation) would probably be inclined to have a go.

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According to the BBC, the girls didn't get paid a penny if they didn't stay to the end of the party at 2am

 

[SkyblueBazza]

According to the BBC, the girls didn't get paid a penny if they didn't stay to the end of the party at 2am

Not sure how many girls there were but a joint decision to simply walk out claiming sexual assault would've have forced organisers into taking immediate action. They were no doubt naive & taken advantage of...but surely the reporter could have actually led the way on this? She had an opportunity to stop it in its tracks...instead chose to let it continue

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[shmmeee]

How many times have we heard a repeatedly battered wife or partner make excuses for the man battering them? He only does it because he loves me for instance. It’s conditioning. Doesn’t mean it should be acceptable.

I find this supremely patronising.

Let’s be blunt here, lots of us guys would take cash to get groped, it’s just no one is willing to pay to grope us.

If they are fully aware of what’s happening then more power to them, some women can handle themselves and are sex positive. What’s important is that people are up front about it and don’t take a job they think is waitressing not expecting to be groped.

 

[skybluetony176]

I find this supremely patronising.

Let’s be blunt here, lots of us guys would take cash to get groped, it’s just no one is willing to pay to grope us.

If they are fully aware of what’s happening then more power to them, some women can handle themselves and are sex positive. What’s important is that people are up front about it and don’t take a job they think is waitressing not expecting to be groped.

I’m talking about learned helplessness, nothing to do with being sex positive.

 

[tommydazzle]

This raises another interesting moral question. Should these charities hand the money back? You might argue that at least some good could come of the money? I'm not sure I know the answer to this.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

This raises another interesting moral question. Should these charities hand the money back? You might argue that at least some good could come of the money? I'm not sure I know the answer to this.

I absolutely don’t think anyone hands the money back. Redeem the money and use it for good

 

[SkyblueBazza]

I absolutely don’t think anyone hands the money back. Redeem the money and use it for good

Great Ormond St Hospital said they are returning money

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[Deleted member 5849]

This raises another interesting moral question. Should these charities hand the money back? You might argue that at least some good could come of the money? I'm not sure I know the answer to this.

No, it's a difficult question.

As with all charitable donations tbh. Is it possible to do a check on where the money has come from for every donation?

But then again... shouldn't we be worried that we have to rely on charity to provide the equipment?

 

[Macca]

This is the responsibility of BOTH men and women. The shallow cheap world of reality TV doesn't help

 

[Gazolba]

Why don't they just accuse every man in the world of harassment and be done with it.

 

[skybluetony176]

Why don't they just accuse every man in the world of harassment and be done with it.

“They”?

No one is accusing me. There’s a good reason for that. I was brought up to respect women as equals. Cheers mum.

 

[Gazolba]

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“They”?

No one is accusing me. There’s a good reason for that. I was brought up to respect women as equals. Cheers mum.

Anyone can accuse anyone of anything, it does not have to be true.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

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Anyone can accuse anyone of anything, it does not have to be true.

You liar!

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[SkyblueBazza]

Why don't they just accuse every man in the world of harassment and be done with it.

If you think about it...Let's for arguments sake say Rachel Riley starts feeling you up - you're overjoyed. If Anne Widdecombe tried it you'd be offended...so my point is that offence can easily become arbitrary...or is it discriminatory???

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[dancers lance]

At university I lived with an incrediby beautiful 18 year old girl studying rocket science. She worked as a private lap dancer/stripper in central Brighton and kept shoe boxes full of 50 pound notes under her bed along with ounces of some of the finest ganja I'd ever smoked.

She even danced for a famous comedian at one point without realising who he was. Her parents also bought her and her sister a 1million pound flat in Kensington to hang-out in.

Even though this was 12/13 years ago, I can understand where you're coming from, but I think wider society is slowly moving away from it though as being something that is acceptable.

Beautiful, rockets, stripper and shoe boxes full of £50 notes......swoon! The girl I lived with at Uni only ate Pot Noodles and once called me a "proper right bender" for refusing her drunken advances and tried to get her Brothers to beat me up.

 

[skybluetony176]

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Anyone can accuse anyone of anything, it does not have to be true.

Yes you’re right. But when it comes to these high profile cases it seems that in the vast majority of them the accusations are warranted. Very few have been spurious and those that have have been exposed to be.

 

[olderskyblue]

Worried now.

Back in the late 80's, I went on a "do" to "School Dinners" in London. Nice food, expensive beer, but at various times, had a gorgeous 22yr old lass wearing a school uniform sat on my lap... Some might say I had one arm around her, and the other resting on her leg, but I don't recall that.... To be fair, she did eat half my dinner. She said they don't allow them to have any of the food they cook, so I let her have a nibble...

No doubt she will come out of the woodwork soon to accuse me of something nefarious... (I bet she won't recall eating my dinner either..)