Oh Jeremy Corbyn (1 Viewer)

[Astute]

I was really trying to be fair to people by recognising that not all leavers come into the same categories. It seems to be more difficult than I thought.

You seem to ignore that not all remainers come into the same category.

Not all remainers are desperate for us to stay in the EU.

Not all remainers are desperate to defend Corbyn even though he wants out of the EU.

Not all remainers are desperate for us to have another vote.

Not all remainers concentrate on the shite from the leavers and ignore the shite from the remainers.

A lot of remainers are also racist.

 

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[Grendel]

Hmmmm...bit of wriggle there. You were really trying to make a statement along the line I stated imo

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Definitely he does it all the time.

 

[clint van damme]

Real choice?

Corbyn and those who have been with him for many years like Abbott and McDonnell have so many skeletons in the closet that some people constantly see a need to defend them.

My real choice would be a Labour leader without a whole graveyard full of skeletons in the closet. So it isn't Corbyn for me.

who would you prefer?

 

[Astute]

who would you prefer?

Someone without a dodgy past like Corbyn. But have answered the same question several times before.

Do you think Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell are the best that Labour can do?

 

[clint van damme]

Someone without a dodgy past like Corbyn. But have answered the same question several times before.

Do you think Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell are the best that Labour can do?

Who did you choose before, I thought you'd probably posted it but I can't wade through the whole thread!

 

[Grendel]

Even McDonnell seems to have distanced himself over his old comrade.

I suspect the debacle over Russia has done it for many MPs. The whole universe seems to acknowledge the perpetrator and has took action while Corbyn dithers and demands more evidence (something he conveniently ignored when he protested against convicted thugs)

Mays popularity rating soared and Corbyns collapsed.

The anti Semite row is the icing on the cake. Only Corbyn and the hapless chakrabati can employ someone to oversee an enquiry into anti semetism who then gives support to a holocaust deniar.

McDonnell I suspect will try and get him to fall on his sword and replace him - the parliamentary party need then to act and end this blot on labours proud history.

 

[Astute]

Who did you choose before, I thought you'd probably posted it but I can't wade through the whole thread!

I have never chosen.

Is there anyone with as many skeletons in the closet as Corbyn that you would like me to say?

 

[clint van damme]

I have never chosen.

Is there anyone with as many skeletons in the closet as Corbyn that you would like me to say?

Oh right, i thought you meant you'd posted some preferred candidates. Was asking out of interest.
Corbyn is going to go, what's happened to him is disgraceful but there you go. An orchestrated campaign full of lies and a focus on antisemitism when there is a whole dossier on racism in the tory party which has not has a fraction of the scrutiny.

If that helps facilitate getting rid of the tories then fair enough but I could never support a Labour candidate who helped vote through the tories austerity measures and there's plenty of them.

 

[Grendel]

Oh right, i thought you meant you'd posted some preferred candidates. Was asking out of interest.
Corbyn is going to go, what's happened to him is disgraceful but there you go. An orchestrated campaign full of lies and a focus on antisemitism when there is a whole dossier on racism in the tory party which has not has a fraction of the scrutiny.

If that helps facilitate getting rid of the tories then fair enough but I could never support a Labour candidate who helped vote through the tories austerity measures and there's plenty of them.

There are no lies and the only disgrace is this wretched man was alllowed as leader in the first place.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No she isn’t - that’s business which every other European country has grabbed so is macron and Merkel the same?

Still you think Adolf Hitler was a decent bloke who tried to find the Jews their spiritual homeland.

Never said that and yes if the others have helped Saudi in the same capacity then blood is on their hands also.

 

[Grendel]

Never said that and yes if the others have helped Saudi in the same capacity then blood is on their hands also.

There is already enough British blood on Corbyns hands - he’s finished.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Real choice?

Corbyn and those who have been with him for many years like Abbott and McDonnell have so many skeletons in the closet that some people constantly see a need to defend them.

My real choice would be a Labour leader without a whole graveyard full of skeletons in the closet. So it isn't Corbyn for me.

Ed had no skeletons in the closet but stood for nothing besides Tory-lite centrism. If Labour goes back to that they lose my vote.

 

[Astute]

Oh right, i thought you meant you'd posted some preferred candidates. Was asking out of interest.
Corbyn is going to go, what's happened to him is disgraceful but there you go. An orchestrated campaign full of lies and a focus on antisemitism when there is a whole dossier on racism in the tory party which has not has a fraction of the scrutiny.

What he has done in the past is there for all to see.

What is disgraceful is people using what others have done as an excuse for what Corbyn has done. And then using every excuse imaginable on his side.

Maybe if he had gone to just one funeral of a child killed by the IRA or if he had spoken in memory of just one child killed by the IRA I could have looked more favourable to him. But his actions and comments were reserved for those in the IRA only.

But yeah. Whatever he has said or done is OK because there are racists within the Tories.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There is already enough British blood on Corbyns hands - he’s finished.

Except there isn't any is there G. The party of Enoch Powell and the grand imperialist Churchill is clear of any kind of racist dealings but the party apparently guilty of open door immigration and a foreigner love in is also full of Nazi sympathisers. The party that passed Section 28 is the one of tolerance.

Israeli crimes in Palestine go unanswered because they are an ally and Hamas are naughty. It's OK we facilitate Saudi war crimes because other European nations give them weapons too. It's OK for the Tories to never get anywhere near hitting their targets but if Corbyn pledges anything it's a hopeless fantasy.

 

[Astute]

Ed had no skeletons in the closet but stood for nothing besides Tory-lite centrism. If Labour goes back to that they lose my vote.

Labour seems to be very good at making the wrong person leader.

 

[shmmeee]

[QUOTE="Astute, post: 1508732, member: 2627”]
Do you think Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell are the best that Labour can do?[/QUOTE]

Sadly: yes.

The talent drought across politics is at critical levels IMO. There’s very very few MPs worth shit intellectually. McDonnell, as vile as he is, is one of the few with a thought out plan for a different economy that I can get behind, which puts him ahead of most. Abbott isn’t up to scratch, but no worse than half the Cabinet. If she was white and male she’d be Foriegn Secretary.

Corbyns a moron, but that’s not so important in a leader, he has a following and that is important. No one else in the party can energise people like him for whatever reason. I voted for him the first leadership election (though not the second) because in person against the blandness of Cooper and Burnham he shone. Very much a shiniest turd situation though.

There’s some talent on the back benches, I rate Umunna, Creasey, some of Kinnocks stuff. But there’s a lot of dross that just has better PR as well.

FWIW, everything I’ve said abou Labour goes double for the Tories. May isn’t a leader. Fox, Davis, Johnson, etc are not up to their jobs at all, any real talent in the Tory party is also currently sat on the back benches. Rees Mogg is just a righty wing Corbyn: dense but popular with some very dodgy views.

 

[Grendel]

Except there isn't any is there G. The party of Enoch Powell and the grand imperialist Churchill is clear of any kind of racist dealings but the party apparently guilty of open door immigration and a foreigner love in is also full of Nazi sympathisers. The party that passed Section 28 is the one of tolerance.

Israeli crimes in Palestine go unanswered because they are an ally and Hamas are naughty. It's OK we facilitate Saudi war crimes because other European nations give them weapons too. It's OK for the Tories to never get anywhere near hitting their targets but if Corbyn pledges anything it's a hopeless fantasy.

There is loads and it’s not even anything to do with Israel. Oddly if you have an arms industry you facilitate war so again it’s an irrelevance.

This is one individual whose history is full of personal association with unpleasant people.

Enoch Powell was fired for urging voters to vote labour and was a close friend to Corbyns hero Michael Foot so go figure.

 

[Grendel]

Who did you choose before, I thought you'd probably posted it but I can't wade through the whole thread!

Jess Phillips but that’s not going to happen

My guess (snigger) is everyone white van mans favourite Emily Thornberry.

 

[clint van damme]

What he has done in the past is there for all to see.

What is disgraceful is people using what others have done as an excuse for what Corbyn has done. And then using every excuse imaginable on his side.

Maybe if he had gone to just one funeral of a child killed by the IRA or if he had spoken in memory of just one child killed by the IRA I could have looked more favourable to him. But his actions and comments were reserved for those in the IRA only.

But yeah. Whatever he has said or done is OK because there are racists within the Tories.

No, you're twisting what I said, the tories aren't getting anywhere near the scrutiny they should. Look at the latest crime figures, barely a mention. Just one example of many.
And the tory dossier contains plenty of examples of antisemitism, why isn't that in the media?

 

[clint van damme]

Jess Phillips but that’s not going to happen

My guess (snigger) is everyone white van mans favourite Emily Thornberry.

i quite like her, (Phillips), though I disagree with her on a fair few issues. She's a tough cookie.

 

[clint van damme]

Even McDonnell seems to have distanced himself over his old comrade.

Based on interviews I've read I honestly believe McDonnell has changed his view on the EU. I think he's tried to get Corbyn, unsuccessfully, to do the same.

 

[martcov]

You seem to ignore that not all remainers come into the same category.

Not all remainers are desperate for us to stay in the EU.

Not all remainers are desperate to defend Corbyn even though he wants out of the EU.

Not all remainers are desperate for us to have another vote.

Not all remainers concentrate on the shite from the leavers and ignore the shite from the remainers.

A lot of remainers are also racist.

I have never claimed to speak for all remainers. I believe there are lots of different views in the remain camp. Probably more than in the leave camp which is based largely on emotion not fact.

 

[martcov]

The whole „campaign“ whether it is right or wrong, has one objective, to save the Tories at the municipal elections. All their failings and the ultimate cock up of Brexit are on a back burner because of Corbyn‘s failure to distance his party from anti semitism.

Even on here the EU thread went quiet. As soon as the May elections are out of the way, the anti Corbyn hysteria will die down and become an internal Labour problem.

Don’t like Corbyn, but we are being played again.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Do you see Russia quivering at the moment...? BoJo said we will be a buttress to an EU Defence Force.

Glad to see you know about secret Manövers and the future results of them.

Yes, we would probably could have been in a stronger position to negotiate a ceasefire if the EU had existed in it’s present form. Or at least avoided the French selling Exocet mlissiles during the conflict which gave the Argentinians the impression of support. There is a much stronger bond now ( apart from Brexit).

So why offer the EU defence force as some kind selling point?

We both know that 'secret maneouvres' - political pressure is what they call it in public - happens in the EU just as it does in all countries at every level.

I don't need a history lesson about the Falklands war thanks.

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[Astute]

No, you're twisting what I said, the tories aren't getting anywhere near the scrutiny they should. Look at the latest crime figures, barely a mention. Just one example of many.
And the tory dossier contains plenty of examples of antisemitism, why isn't that in the media?

Didn't twist a single word you said.

Maybe the lightbulb in your head is getting switched on at last though.

What I have continually said is that Corbyn has too many skeletons in the closet. He shouldn't be at or near the top of the Labour party. Neither should Abbott or McDonnell. They have a tainted past. We need someone without links to several terrorist groups. Otherwise they are an easy target. We need someone strong enough to attack the Tories that doesn't have to spend most of the time defending what they have done themselves in the past.

They have given the Tories such an easy time. Yet you try to blame everyone else for being at fault for the Tories getting such an easy time.

 

[Astute]

I have never claimed to speak for all remainers. I believe there are lots of different views in the remain camp. Probably more than in the leave camp which is based largely on emotion not fact.

Try being truthful for once.

 

[clint van damme]

Didn't twist a single word you said.

Maybe the lightbulb in your head is getting switched on at last though.

What I have continually said is that Corbyn has too many skeletons in the closet. He shouldn't be at or near the top of the Labour party. Neither should Abbott or McDonnell. They have a tainted past. We need someone without links to several terrorist groups. Otherwise they are an easy target. We need someone strong enough to attack the Tories that doesn't have to spend most of the time defending what they have done themselves in the past.

They have given the Tories such an easy time. Yet you try to blame everyone else for being at fault for the Tories getting such an easy time.

For every accusation you can throw at Corbyn you can throw a similar one at the tories yet it doesn't happen, what are you failing to grasp about that?

"We need someone without links to terror groups" . Are you totally unaware of who the 'moderates' we backed in Syria actually were? Do you know who the party propping up the government are linked to?
Do you know where ISIS gets some of its funding?

I give up, you don't like Corbyn fair enough, I don't agree with you but I respect that opinion but I've never known a Labour supporter so willing to defend the tories and that I find baffling.
I'm sure you'll come back with your I criticise all sides line, but you really don't. Your criticism of the tories is minimal.

 

[Astute]

For every accusation you can throw at Corbyn you can throw a similar one at the tories yet it doesn't happen, what are you failing to grasp about that?

Your biggest fault is that you refuse to listen when you think you are right.

You also ignore anything I say that you agree with as all you want to do is defend what you prefer. And if you disagree with this as you always do then how about mentioning anything good I have ever said about the Tories?

Well I was wrong about something. I thought you had finally worked out why it is bad to keep Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell running the Labour party. All effort has to be put into defending their past and not attacking the Tories like they do. And those of us that do attack the Tories but also say about getting rid of Corbyn and Co. only get one part boticed and the other part ignored. The Tories pick up on their past and the Corbyn excusers make out it is all about attacking Corbyn and ignore the other part.

So have you thought of any praise from me towards the Tories yet? Of course not as it hasn't happened. And of course the countless times I have had a go at the Tories have been forgotten about by you and others.

Which proves the point on why I say he should be replaced by someone with a cleaner closet.

 

[clint van damme]

Your biggest fault is that you refuse to listen when you think you are right.

You also ignore anything I say that you agree with as all you want to do is defend what you prefer. And if you disagree with this as you always do then how about mentioning anything good I have ever said about the Tories?

Well I was wrong about something. I thought you had finally worked out why it is bad to keep Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell running the Labour party. All effort has to be put into defending their past and not attacking the Tories like they do. And those of us that do attack the Tories but also say about getting rid of Corbyn and Co. only get one part boticed and the other part ignored. The Tories pick up on their past and the Corbyn excusers make out it is all about attacking Corbyn and ignore the other part.

So have you thought of any praise from me towards the Tories yet? Of course not as it hasn't happened. And of course the countless times I have had a go at the Tories have been forgotten about by you and others.

Which proves the point on why I say he should be replaced by someone with a cleaner closet.

I don't listen but said I respect your opinion on Corbyn, so how does that work?
And you've twisted my words again, I never said you praise the tories, I said you don't criticise them, not the same thing.
And the fact you don't criticise them, I find strange as they fuck up on an almost daily basis. I wouldn't like Owen Smith as Labour leader, I would no doubt be critical of him, but it wouldn't stop me being critical of the tories.

 

[Astute]

I don't listen but said I respect your opinion on Corbyn, so how does that work?
And you've twisted my words again, I never said you praise the tories, I said you don't criticise them, not the same thing.
And the fact you don't criticise them, I find strange as they fuck up on an almost daily basis. I wouldn't like Owen Smith as Labour leader, I would no doubt be critical of him, but it wouldn't stop me being critical of the tories.

So I have done nothing with comments about the Tories but have a go at them yet you say that I don't ever have a go at them?

If there wasn't so much defending the position of those at the top of the Labour party we wouldn't be stuck with the same old crap day after day.

What is the point of me going on about how poor a leader of the Tories May is and how much I don't trust her day after day when just about everyone agrees with me?

 

[clint van damme]

So I have done nothing with comments about the Tories but have a go at them yet you say that I don't ever have a go at them?

If there wasn't so much defending the position of those at the top of the Labour party we wouldn't be stuck with the same old crap day after day.

What is the point of me going on about how poor a leader of the Tories May is and how much I don't trust her day after day when just about everyone agrees with me?

well I find that position strange but it's your prerogative.

I just think when you're involved in political discussions if you're a natural Labour supporter you would want to have a go at the tories no matter how disillusioned you are with the current Labour leadership.

 

[Astute]

well I find that position strange but it's your prerogative.

I just think when you're involved in political discussions if you're a natural Labour supporter you would want to have a go at the tories no matter how disillusioned you are with the current Labour leadership.

And as I keep saying I do have a go at the Tories. But for some reason you never notice.

I always have a go at Farage but you never notice.

I always have a go at the choice of Corbyn and Co. You never miss it.

 

[clint van damme]

And as I keep saying I do have a go at the Tories. But for some reason you never notice.

I always have a go at Farage but you never notice.

I always have a go at the choice of Corbyn and Co. You never miss it.

I can't remember the last time I said anything about Farage to be honest. He became a non entity, albeit a free loading one, some time ago as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Astute]

I can't remember the last time I said anything about Farage to be honest. He became a non entity, albeit a free loading one, some time ago as far as I'm concerned.

Mine was.a couple or so days ago. I said about the billions that the EU pensions cost. And that Farage has a go about it but refuses to forego his.pension rights or the massive payoff he will get when he isn't an MEP anymore.

 

[Sick Boy]

Personally I am not a huge fan of JC but a lot of the attacks from the right wing response are due to fear that there could well be change in the air. Let's hope the next Labour leader will not slide back to the right and will continue the fight.