Wasps current finances & hope (24 Viewers)

[Grendel]

I think spurs might be ok as it is the first name but West Ham’s ground had a name.

Wasps are finding it difficult because it’s the second name and very few people care about rugby it and they believe they are a big name so will want lots of money

Correct on both counts. Premier league football still attracts some premium for global brands due to its appeal in the Middle and Far East. Rugby has no appeal other than a handful of countries.

Wasps original expectation was laughable and a fundamental element of its business plan.

 

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[skybluetony176]

I think spurs might be ok as it is the first name but West Ham’s ground had a name.

Wasps are finding it difficult because it’s the second name and very few people care about rugby it and they believe they are a big name so will want lots of money

Don’t think spurs are having it all their own way either

New Spurs ground could be named the ‘Tottenham Hotspur Stadium’

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...ws/new-spurs-stadium-daniel-levy-14342666.amp

 

[Grendel]

Don’t think spurs are having it all their own way either

New Spurs ground could be named the ‘Tottenham Hotspur Stadium’

Daniel Levy gives update on new stadium's naming rights negotiations

That’s because they’ve been looking for a deal in excess of £350 million

 

[italiahorse]

Or that the sponsors know there is little value to a stadium sponsor for a rugby team of any level, no doubt they think it’s worth millions were in reality it is almost worthless and there are a lot of costs that the new sponsor will pick up removing the signs and replacing it is a massively costly job.

The stadium sponsorship with CCFC there on a long term deal is worth more than CCFC on a short term deal or not there. I think we agree.
Hence if I was sponsoring the stadium I would want to know that is sorted.
CCFC should benefit financially from any sponsorship at the stadium but not until they have committed to a long term deal.
I can't be any clearer, but surely you can see why any potential sponsorship could be delayed both financially and politically?

 

[italiahorse]

Nope it’s a fact you hopeless clown

The argument is lost when you attack the individual rather than details.

 

[Grendel]

The stadium sponsorship with CCFC there on a long term deal is worth more than CCFC on a short term deal or not there. I think we agree.
Hence if I was sponsoring the stadium I would want to know that is sorted.
CCFC should benefit financially from any sponsorship at the stadium but not until they have committed to a long term deal.
I can't be any clearer, but surely you can see why any potential sponsorship could be delayed both financially and politically?

No because individual sponsors would value the offering - you have no concept from a sponsors side how it works. Are you seriously saying Emirates would have delayed the naming rights if arsenal had a tenant which was a 4th tier rugby club whose owners were in dispute. If anything it would enhance the interest as social media hits increase even more.

Wasps demands were laughed out of every boardroom they’ve been in

You’ve been fed a sea of bullshit and it’s drowning you

 

[Grendel]

The argument is lost when you attack the individual rather than details.

You don’t even have a coherent argument

 

[skybluetony176]

That’s because they’ve been looking for a deal in excess of £350 million

Which they won’t get, which proves my point. The Olympic stadium has been trying to get a sponsor for over five years now with Vodafone being the latest to pull out of a measly £6M a year deal. Full time premier league club and world famous atheletic venue.

 

[italiahorse]

You don’t even have a coherent argument

You only put down others peoples take on this and have nothing to offer of your own.

 

[italiahorse]

No because individual sponsors would value the offering - you have no concept from a sponsors side how it works. Are you seriously saying Emirates would have delayed the naming rights if arsenal had a tenant which was a 4th tier rugby club whose owners were in dispute. If anything it would enhance the interest as social media hits increase even more.

Wasps demands were laughed out of every boardroom they’ve been in

You’ve been fed a sea of bullshit and it’s drowning you

Comical. You've been in the boardroom ?
Arsenal don't need a second tenant, Wasps do.
CCFC can't support the Ricoh it on their own so the art is to get a deal based on the situation that suits both parties.
It's precarious for both and both will only survive if they work together.

 

[Grendel]

Which they won’t get, which proves my point. The Olympic stadium has been trying to get a sponsor for over five years now with Vodafone being the latest to pull out of a measly £6M a year deal. Full time premier league club and world famous atheletic venue.

Ok Tony

Man Utd top Premier League stadium naming rights league

 

[oldfiver]

Thats a wish not a plan.
Have you ever wondered what happens to the Ricoh and CCFC if Wasps leave ?
Or do you just want rid and hope that Sisu buy something they
say they can't afford ?

Have you read my post 613?

 

[Grendel]

Comical. You've been in the boardroom ?
Arsenal don't need a second tenant, Wasps do.
CCFC can't support the Ricoh it on their own so the art is to get a deal based on the situation that suits both parties.
It's precarious for both and both will only survive if they work together.

Precarious for both? I thought we were on a race to the bottom and need to cling onto wasps to have a future.

Starting to see through the wasps bullshit are we?

 

[skybluetony176]

Ok Tony

Man Utd top Premier League stadium naming rights league

Which is an article full of estimates, guess work, supposition,what ifs, what buts and maybes. The headline tells you that on it’s own as Man U don’t offer the opportunity for stadium sponsorship. Meanwhile if you live in the real world it’s a different reality. Take Real Madrid for instance. Comparable in every way with Man U on the world stage yet a proposed sponsor has just pulled out of the naming rights for arguably the worlds most well known stadium. The amount was actually more similar to what Spurs are expecting and no where near the amount in the speculative article you’ve linked claims Man U would be worth. If you have an argument based on FACT not SUPPOSITION come back with it.

 

[Grendel]

Which is an article full of estimates, guess work, supposition,what ifs, what buts and maybes. The headline tells you that on it’s own as Man U don’t offer the opportunity for stadium sponsorship. Meanwhile if you live in the real world it’s a different reality. Take Real Madrid for instance. Comparable in every way with Man U on the world stage yet a proposed sponsor has just pulled out of the naming rights for arguably the worlds most well known stadium. The amount was actually more similar to what Spurs are expecting and no where near the amount in the speculative article you’ve linked claims Man U would be worth. If you have an argument based on FACT not SUPPOSITION come back with it.

With respect your own view is supposition - bit like your attempts on the Eu thread when astute has your trousers down on every occasion.

The author often writes articles in the telegraph. Forgive me but I’m going to value his opinion slightly higher than a pro European remainer who voted ukip.

 

[skybluetony176]

With respect your own view is supposition - bit like your attempts on the Eu thread when astute has your trousers down on every occasion.

The author often writes articles in the telegraph. Forgive me but I’m going to value his opinion slightly higher than a pro European remainer who voted ukip.

No it isn’t. 5 years the Olympic stadium has been trying to attract a sponsor, each time a deal has collapsed before completion and the next potential sponsor has devalued the deal from the previous one. FACT! Spurs are struggling to find a sponsor who will meet their valuation. FACT! Real Madrid’s stadium sponsorship deal has collapsed. FACT! Will there be stadium sponsorship in the future? Absolutely. Will it be for amounts previously paid? The FACTUAL evidence suggests otherwise. That can only mean that the bubble has burst.

Then just when I don’t need confirmation that you’ve lost the argument you throw in the towel by pulling out the UKIP card.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Comical. You've been in the boardroom ?
Arsenal don't need a second tenant, Wasps do.
CCFC can't support the Ricoh it on their own so the art is to get a deal based on the situation that suits both parties.
It's precarious for both and both will only survive if they work together.

Nobody can make the Ricoh work with debt attached. Why ACL failed with us as a tenant, why London Wasps will fail.

The only way that stadium will work is when London Wasps go bust the stadium returns to the council. This can then be sold in a package with potential new owners of the club who combine the two together debt free.

 

[Grendel]

No it isn’t. 5 years the Olympic stadium has been trying to attract a sponsor, each time a deal has collapsed before completion and the next potential sponsor has devalued the deal from the previous one. FACT! Spurs are struggling to find a sponsor who will meet their valuation. FACT! Real Madrid’s stadium sponsorship deal has collapsed. FACT! Will there be stadium sponsorship in the future? Absolutely. Will it be for amounts previously paid? The FACTUAL evidence suggests otherwise.

Then just when I don’t need confirmation that you’ve lost the argument you throw in the towel by pulling out the UKIP card.

So if the Olympic stadium was offering naming rights at £10,000 a year there would be no takers.

There is no factual evidence at all that you are offering.

Are you trying to create an argument to deflect from the main subject matter being discussed here?

 

[skybluetony176]

So if the Olympic stadium was offering naming rights at £10,000 a year there would be no takers.

There is no factual evidence at all that you are offering.

Are you trying to create an argument to deflect from the main subject matter being discussed here?

You’re first point only confirms what I’ve been saying. The last deal that collapsed was for £6M a year so yes of course someone would sponsor it for £10k a year. I said in the post you were replying to that stadium sponsorship will continue just not at amounts previously seen. If you try reading and digesting what I’ve said you probably wouldn’t be clambering over yourself to disagree with me by agreeing with me.

Interestingly your speculative article demonstrates it’s bollocks with Stoke also. It claims that stoke would be worth the £6M (that’s the same amount that the Olympic stadium can’t get) when the current amount Stoke gets is £2M south of that.

Again if you actually read what I’ve posted when I originally posted that the bubble has burst this was posted as a negative to Wasps not a positive and not a distraction. It’s a component of their impending downfall and I’m relishing it. You’re problem is your so infatuated with disagreeing with me you lose all context of the point I’m making. Wake up to yourself you idiot. Ironically (maybe that should be moronically) the only person making it a distraction is you yourself.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

The stadium sponsorship with CCFC there on a long term deal is worth more than CCFC on a short term deal or not there. I think we agree.
Hence if I was sponsoring the stadium I would want to know that is sorted.
CCFC should benefit financially from any sponsorship at the stadium but not until they have committed to a long term deal.
I can't be any clearer, but surely you can see why any potential sponsorship could be delayed both financially and politically?

It is worth far more with the football club there than not and maybe it’s a reason why they haven’t committed long term if their aim is to destabilise the landlords.

The cost of changing all the signs will outweigh the value for years, my personal view is that even with the football club there it isn’t worth 100k per year and the cost of sorting the signs will be another 250k in the first year.

The value isn’t there in the modern world where they can do a lot of targeted advertising for a lot less and lets be realistic I haven’t bought a Ricoh copier because of the stadium sponsorship

 

[chiefdave]

CCFC can't support the Ricoh it on their own

You regularly state this as fact but have never explained how we have around 80 clubs who don't share their ground with anyone that don't seem to have a problem yet it would be beyond CCFC.

 

[Grendel]

You’re first point only confirms what I’ve been saying. The last deal that collapsed was for £6M a year so yes of course someone would sponsor it for £10k a year. I said in the post you were replying to that stadium sponsorship will continue just not at amounts previously seen. If you try reading and digesting what I’ve said you probably wouldn’t be clambering over yourself to disagree with me by agreeing with me.

Interestingly your speculative article demonstrates it’s bollocks with Stoke also. It claims that stoke would be worth the £6M (that’s the same amount that the Olympic stadium can’t get) when the current amount Stoke gets is £2M south of that.

Again if you actually read what I’ve posted when I originally posted that the bubble has burst this was posted as a negative to Wasps not a positive and not a distraction. It’s a component of their impending downfall and I’m relishing it. You’re problem is your so infatuated with disagreeing with me you lose all context of the point I’m making. Wake up to yourself you idiot. Ironically (maybe that should be moronically) the only person making it a distraction is you yourself.

Your the one creating an argument Tony and the only one hurling juvenile insults.

I’m more than happy to debate the relative merits or not of stadium sponsorship rights.

We can both draw on our relative experiences in our respective marketing roles.

I would respectfully suggest however that you start a new thread on the topic rather than distract from the matter in hand.

 

[Moff]

The race to the bottom continues.......................

Looks like Wasps are in with a chance of winning that race :emoji_sweat_smile:

 

[skybluetony176]

Your the one creating an argument Tony and the only one hurling juvenile insults.

I’m more than happy to debate the relative merits or not of stadium sponsorship rights.

We can both draw on our relative experiences in our respective marketing roles.

I would respectfully suggest however that you start a new thread on the topic rather than distract from the matter in hand.

Terry made a measured reply to me which I replied to with a couple of articles pointing out that Spurs aren’t getting it all their own way, which they aren’t. You then wade in without engaging your brain so you’re the one creating the argument. Terry has since made another post which I’ve liked because in the main I agree with it and in the main it makes a lot of the same points I have. If you don’t want an argument keep it buttoned and let adults like me and Terry make the grown up points.

The stadium naming rights is part of the matter in hand you idiot. You’ve actually brought it up more than anyone else on this thread, especially when arguing with Italia. Maybe you should be the one starting another thread.

 

[Moff]

The argument is lost when you attack the individual rather than details.

Ironic.
You must have lost the argument a long time ago. I could post many more from this thread, but this was just in the past day.

You may be a JLR employee but this is above your pay grade.

I'm really struggling with the trivial conversation here.

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CLUNK. Caller looses the will to live and leaves conversation,

 

[Grendel]

Terry made a measured reply to me which I replied to with a couple of articles pointing out that Spurs aren’t getting it all their own way, which they aren’t. You then wade in without engaging your brain so you’re the one creating the argument. Terry has since made another post which I’ve liked because in the main I agree with it and in the main it makes a lot of the same points I have. If you don’t want an argument keep it buttoned and let adults like me and Terry make the grown up points.

The stadium naming rights is part of the matter in hand you idiot. You’ve actually brought it up more than anyone else on this thread, especially when arguing with Italia. Maybe you should be the one starting another thread.

I’ve said Tony I would engage with you (despite your absurd name calling tirade) if you bought this up on another thread.

I’ve bought it up on here as I’ve known all along that Italias facts as to who the sponsors would be was in fact an untruth - which has turned out to be the case.

You have a strange definition of an adult as you come across most of the time as a spoilt petulant child with issues of low self esteem.

 

[skybluetony176]

I’ve said Tony I would engage with you (despite your absurd name calling tirade) if you bought this up on another thread.

I’ve bought it up on here as I’ve known all along that Italias facts as to who the sponsors would be was in fact an untruth - which has turned out to be the case.

You have a strange definition of an adult as you come across most of the time as a spoilt petulant child with issues of low self esteem.

Snigger.

 

[Sick Boy]

Comical. You've been in the boardroom ?
Arsenal don't need a second tenant, Wasps do.
CCFC can't support the Ricoh it on their own so the art is to get a deal based on the situation that suits both parties.
It's precarious for both and both will only survive if they work together.

Something tells me that CCFC would be in a healthier position had that franchise rugby club not turned up, especially if CCFC had been offered the same deal to buy the Ricoh.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Terry made a measured reply to me which I replied to with a couple of articles pointing out that Spurs aren’t getting it all their own way, which they aren’t. You then wade in without engaging your brain so you’re the one creating the argument. Terry has since made another post which I’ve liked because in the main I agree with it and in the main it makes a lot of the same points I have. If you don’t want an argument keep it buttoned and let adults like me and Terry make the grown up points.

The stadium naming rights is part of the matter in hand you idiot. You’ve actually brought it up more than anyone else on this thread, especially when arguing with Italia. Maybe you should be the one starting another thread.

I’m not surprised spurs are struggling to get that kind of money it’s a bit extreme and any football sponsorship must be risky if the fans of rival clubs stop buying your products, I am sure years ago some Man City fans cancelled their Vodafone contracts when they sponsored United.

But an interesting read

 

[italiahorse]

Nobody can make the Ricoh work with debt attached. Why ACL failed with us as a tenant, why London Wasps will fail.

The only way that stadium will work is when London Wasps go bust the stadium returns to the council. This can then be sold in a package with potential new owners of the club who combine the two together debt free.

Your in dream world.
The owner that’s going to effectively spend £100M for a L2 club does not exist.
They are the fictional sugar daddy.

 

[italiahorse]

Something tells me that CCFC would be in a healthier position had that franchise rugby club not turned up, especially if CCFC had been offered the same deal to buy the Ricoh.

TF said they wouldn’t pay what Wasps did.
Before that JS said CCFC would only return with the Freehold.

 

[italiahorse]

I’ve said Tony I would engage with you (despite your absurd name calling tirade) if you bought this up on another thread.

I’ve bought it up on here as I’ve known all along that Italias facts as to who the sponsors would be was in fact an untruth - which has turned out to be the case.

You have a strange definition of an adult as you come across most of the time as a spoilt petulant child with issues of low self esteem.

It’s not wrong until a new sponsor is appointed surely.
If it’s not Land Rover then I’m wrong.

 

[italiahorse]

Ironic.
You must have lost the argument a long time ago. I could post many more from this thread, but this was just in the past day.


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None of them are attacking or insulting the individual though.
It is above Grendels pay grade.
It was trivial conversation.
I did loose the will to continue.

I’m not a hopeless clown as mentioned.
Although I do have big feet and a red nose.

 

[Grendel]

It’s not wrong until a new sponsor is appointed surely.
If it’s not Land Rover then I’m wrong.

No you said it would occur in 2015. Wasps got into their head that they could negotiate a £20 million deal over 10 years. They on a global scale have a worthless brand.

Of course companies would sponsor it if the price is correct. The view is it’s wortn around £2 million over 10 years so no you are wrong. It’s a major problem for them.

It’s funny as you say that the Higgs Acadamy is not suitable yet the wasps hierarchy advised the owners where they train that the only reason they decided to not go there is that they respected the football club and didn’t want to force it out.

The same football club they attempted when Anderson was here to bully into a £750,000 rent deal for over a decade and no exit clause and then pretended legal action was the issue.

So fisher speaks the truth? What about nick
Eastwood? Wasps will always remain close to the London area as that’s where we belong.

 

[Grendel]

None of them are attacking or insulting the individual though.
It is above Grendels pay grade.
It was trivial conversation.
I did loose the will to continue.

I’m not a hopeless clown as mentioned.
Although I do have big feet and a red nose.

No I know it was rejected years ago