ccfcricoh
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Surely you would start JCH if he's better?
Biamou or JCH ? (4 Viewers)
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Surely you would start JCH if he's better?
Londonccfcfan
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Good point. About the disparity in wages. But it's closer to 2k p/w max for JCH. And around 1k p/w for Max.
I would actually like to see JP further up the pecking order next season (bench most games)
Keep;
McNulty, Biamou, JP
If in league 2 buy another top target man.
Collins. Pope. Bowery. Dennis. Richards Etc
If in league 1.
Buy a pacy centre forward. A bit of an unknown like AA. Young loanee.
Sell/discard;
Beavon And JCH.
Londonccfcfan
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Sometimes you just have to admit your first thoughts about a player are wrong. about Il give you credit about Haynes though.
SkyBlueCRJ
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I have to admit I was drooling at the prospect of keeping JCH through to next season but given his recent performances I'm now not so sure. We certainly need a striker of his mould but whether he's the answer is something that is up for debate. Would love to sign John Akinde next season. He has a year left on his contract at Barnet so a fee would be required but it would be a sound investment as his record at this level is second to none.
Mucca Mad Boys
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We’ve just won 6-1, and Biamou got a goal. Evidently, he deserves to start the next game. Injuries permitting, the team should be unchanged. I think McDonald is better than Hyam, but I don’t think he deserves to be back in the matchday 18.
It’s also worth noting Biamou has scored more from the bench than starting in the League. If we’re in L2 next season, for me, Biamou will be best used coming on as an impact sub.
Mucca Mad Boys
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It’d be a huge risk. He’s scored 6 goals this season... Certainly doesn’t seem to be the player he was the last two seasons for whatever reasons.
SkyBlueCRJ
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He's been injured for half of the season don't forget. Plus, given how poor Barnet have been, Akinde was obviously going to struggle to reach the same heights as he has done in previous seasons.
Max all the way on current form.
Is stronger on the ball - JCH goes down looking for the foul too much I think - and scores more ( mostly screamers too! ) Who thought we'd be saying that about him earlier in the season, then again most wouldn't have thought it about McNulty either!
Is stronger on the ball - JCH goes down looking for the foul too much I think - and scores more ( mostly screamers too! ) Who thought we'd be saying that about him earlier in the season, then again most wouldn't have thought it about McNulty either!
Londonccfcfan
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We went complaining when he went down softly at Mansfield.
You have to play the referees at this level. JCH outscores Max on that front.
Liquid Gold
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I dont get why people are writing JCH off either. He's been injured for a decent period and came in to give our season some momentum again. He might be slightly off the boil at the moment but this is his first sustained period of football in some time. He's proven himself in the championship and we should definitely not look at binning him off. A full pre-season knowing the system and the players and he will be a real asset.
rob9872
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A few weeks back and I'd have said JCH a clear winner in this, but of late his form dipped and Biamou has added end product to his game which was the major attribute missing. On that evidence I think it's unfair to call, particularly as pointed out he has had a lot of games with only limited time on the pitch. Next season I think we can judge better and see how much he has improved with a full season training and learning under his belt, I think he could flourish - it''s whether he's given the opportunity to in L1 if we go up.
I think even for L1 with Ponti a year older too, we have good options up front next season. The key areas I'd be looking to improve are at left back as I don't rate either option, a wide player - move Reid on, Jones back fit and Bayliss in the middle. I've loved Doyler this season but a year older and a level up probably a tough central box to box midfielder too. Also a GK and regardless of where you sit on the Burge debate we need another instead of L'OB.
I think even for L1 with Ponti a year older too, we have good options up front next season. The key areas I'd be looking to improve are at left back as I don't rate either option, a wide player - move Reid on, Jones back fit and Bayliss in the middle. I've loved Doyler this season but a year older and a level up probably a tough central box to box midfielder too. Also a GK and regardless of where you sit on the Burge debate we need another instead of L'OB.
Esoterica
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Agree with all of that but still a question mark over attitude for me. On Saturday at half time, having blown Cheltenham away in a vital game, Hyam was out shaking everyones hand as they came off. Haynes and the much maligned Reid and Barrett? Congratulating everyone down the tunnel. JCH? Looking away doing up his shoe laces for longer than it takes my daughter. A tiny thing in the grand scheme, I appreciate, but can't help the feeling he thinks he's better than he really is.
Liquid Gold
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You could be reading more into that than is needed though. They could have gone down the tunnel into the dressing room and he congratulated every single one of them. He does have the reputation as not being massively a team player but I think a bit of that is a good thing and a nasty streak is what we've missed in the side for too long.
Sky Blue Pete
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I think he’s needed a rest. I really like the mean jch and he made a huge difference when he first came in and I think he can step up to league 1 with a pre season. I think ponti will step up. I am unsure about this team scoring enough goals without being gung-ho. However thinking of choosing from jones, andreu, jch, Biamou, ponti, McNulty and Kelly (the one playing further forward) next season excites me in league 1. I think we need to upgrade in other areas.
I think only Willis and Davies can hold their own out of the rest of the team /squad and so lots of wheeling and dealing required.
Can Burge improve enough to be reserve keeper?
New keeper
New first choice full backs, happy with grimmer as back up.
Can hyam step up? If not we need cb upgrade
Doyle won’t step up but we need a midfield man - Bayliss is awesome could be him??
Kelly and Bayliss though will leave things too open I think.
What do others think?
covcity4life
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dont need a favourite,both wear sky blue and both have and hopefully will continue to contribute
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skybluetony176
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Personally I’d like to see both start with Biamou playing just behind JCH and McNaulty in a sort of Paul Scholes type roll. Don’t know if it would work but got a chance. With JCH and Biamou on they’d run defences ragged and pull them all over the place.
Esoterica
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Completely ignores the formation we played in the first half of the season and the role Biamou was asked to play. We scored 21 goals in 21 games with our flat back 7. McNulty had 4 league goals in those first 21 matches. Since Bayliss came in and we've played around with more attacking formations, we've scored 43 in 24 games. Of course everyone who has played since then has more goals and assists.
Grendel
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He works defenders much much harder than Biamou - he’s always backing in and working and running them. That’s the biggest strength he brings.
Grendel
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10 of those goals were in two games
Nick
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That's not a "nasty" streak is it? Especially when he goes down so easily.
Londonccfcfan
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Yes you are reading a little bit too much into it. But there's no smoke without fire. To be fair I have been pleasantly surprised by his discipline so far
If anything Max has disappointed me with his attitude notably Notts County away half time booking and another talking to from ref last week.
And it's interesting how we look for little signs like this.
covcity4life
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biamou play acts more than anyone on the other side of coin though
Sky Blue Pete
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I would think he was hugely disappointed with himself for his reaction in both games. So out of character too. Looks like he was lucky not to get a red in both games too. Thanks to stokes and Doyle and the refs.
I’m quite mild in my manner but I know I’d be sent off for dissent if I had played at any level above the local churches league
Liquid Gold
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Who would win in a fight though?
Mucca Mad Boys
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Ok, but that still doesn't change the fact that Biamou has scored more goals off the bench than starting. He's started for 2 months straight when Bayliss came into the team. Yet, it still took him to the 25th Feb to open his league account, yet, Bayliss made his debut 16th December. Something doesn't quite sit right in your analysis there.
The stats speak for themselves. Anything else is based largely on conjecture, I've seen a lot that I like about JCH, he's unselfish, aggressive and he gets in some good positions. There's a lot I like about Biamou, too - he works defenders v hard, and he had a hand in at least 2 goals that won't go down as assists (Grimsby and Cheltenham at home). But, I think JCH looks like a better striker, I think if JCH was to hit a bit of form, I'd expect 10-15 goals in a full season. Probably about 8-12 assists, which for a striker is very good. I'm optimistic about his development.
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For me, and I don't know why but I think when JCH starts and Max comes off the bench, it seems more effective, don't know if its because JCH is just a vile huge mountain that they feel battered and Max offers a completely different approach in his runs, into the sides etc but I just feel that works a lot better than bringing on JCH to replace Max.
As players, I think we can do better than both, I don't like JCH style like many now, wants to fall over far too easily.
As players, I think we can do better than both, I don't like JCH style like many now, wants to fall over far too easily.
Pete in Portugal
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Nazon had a similar attitude problem., He too thought he was far too good to play in our team.
JimmyHillsbeard
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No problem with that it was only half-time for Christ’s sake.
Esoterica
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January 20th Biamou scored vs Swindon, not sure where you've plucked February 25th from, we didn't even play that day.
My point is that during this period of 0 goals for Biamou, no-one was scoring much, we were averaging a goal a game as a team and they were coming from Jones and Nazon's individual moments of brilliance. McNulty who you've quoted as a special player in L2 scored 4 in those 21 games with 2 DMs. You're then comparing Biamou's statistics which include this period of awful defensive football to JCH's in a free scoring team and then using a projection to conclude JCH is a better player. Compare them both since Mansfield when JCH made his first start if you want a more level playing field as they have largely been used as a swap for each other within the same team.
Mask
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I do like both, but I'd say Biamou. He's not as talented or as sharp as JCH yet, but his attitude is leagues ahead. Just needs to score some of his easier chances as well as the absolute worldies and he'll be good enough for now! Can see him improving over the years if we stick with him that long.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Appears I've got mixed up with last season when we lost 3-1 to Swindon on 25/2/17 - genuine mix up.
If we compare them from JCH's first start, the picture is tilted even more in his favour. Biamou with 1 more goal and has either 1 or 2 assists to 4 (5 if we're crediting the OG as an assist, but I'm counting it as his goal, since sources differ) from JCH... Either way, Biamou has still scored most of his goals off the bench. JCH has been involved in more goals, because assists count for something - two for McNulty and two for Bayliss.
My projections are pretty reasonable, he's played 28 less games than Biamou, I made such a projection with McNulty, and my guess there was about 17-20 goals.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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JCH tries to jump but he cannot get off the floor. It's a bit like watching someone born with no knees and both legs are in one piece, a bit like stilts. Only he has got knees. I think.
steve82
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I like both, both bring different qualities to the side and JCH brought what MR needed at the right time. Biamou was desperate for a break from the first team but we didn’t have the right personnel to sit him out. JCH came in at the right time to take his burden and Biamou looks to be better for it.
I said on another thread if you could combine Biamou’s desire and JCH natural ability you’d have a player. JCH is a complicated player that needs unlocking but if you can you’ve also a powerful direct striker with a sweet left foot.
It’s worth noting JCH hasn’t played a lot of football over last season and this only what he’s played for us and might not of had a great preseason. There could be a lot more to come with a good summer.
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I said on another thread if you could combine Biamou’s desire and JCH natural ability you’d have a player. JCH is a complicated player that needs unlocking but if you can you’ve also a powerful direct striker with a sweet left foot.
It’s worth noting JCH hasn’t played a lot of football over last season and this only what he’s played for us and might not of had a great preseason. There could be a lot more to come with a good summer.
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