Biamou or JCH ? (3 Viewers)

[steve82]

JCH tries to jump but he cannot get off the floor. It's a bit like watching someone born with no knees and both legs are in one piece, a bit like stilts. Only he has got knees. I think.

He don’t seem to get up for many balls but some of that maybe confidence as he did his ACL last season.


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[rupert_bear]

A thing to remember is JCH is in the shop window here, might have the chance to stay with us that’s if he wants to but also there might be interest from elsewhere not suggesting he’s not trying but might explain what sometimes may look like a lack of interest.

 

[stupot07]

Well, here's some stats for folks to consider:

(All competitions)

JCH: 17 games, 4 goals, 5 assists
Biamou: 45 games, 7 goals, 5 assists

Should be pretty self-evident, if you make a projection, in 45 games, JCH would probably on 10-12 goals.

You almost have to ignore biamou's first half of the season. It has taken him time for him to adjust and robins was always clear about that right from the start, and anyone can see he's improved massively and things have clicked and he's now started scoring goals.

Its also about minutes on the pitch and goals per minute, and then form.

League one.
Last 16 league only
JCH 3 goals (only 2 from open play), 5 assists, 1001 mins total 333 mins per goal, 500.5 mins per goal in open play

Biamou 5 goals, 3 assists, 705 mins total, goal every 141 mins

*even if you want chuck in every game over the whose season, his average is almost identical to jch without the benefit of taking a pen. 345 goals per minute of thr season.

Purely based on current form and who who seems to help thr team click more, Biamou is currently the better option.

That said if we get promoted neither are good enough for league one.


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[Mucca Mad Boys]

You almost have to ignore biamou's first half of the season. It has taken him time for him to adjust and robins was always clear about that right from the start, and anyone can see he's improved massively and things have clicked and he's now started scoring goals.

Its also about minutes on the pitch and goals per minute, and then form.

League one.
Last 16 league only
JCH 3 goals (only 2 from open play), 5 assists, 1001 mins total 333 mins per goal, 500.5 mins per goal in open play

Biamou 5 goals, 3 assists, 705 mins total, goal every 141 mins

*even if you want chuck in every game over the whose season, his average is almost identical to jch without the benefit of taking a pen. 345 goals per minute of thr season.

Purely based on current form and who who seems to help thr team click more, Biamou is currently the better option.

That said if we get promoted neither are good enough for league one.

If we were to conveniently ‘ignore’ Biamou’s season up until Easter, sure, he looks like a world beater... The goal every 141m you cited is better than McNulty’s 145m per goal. But that’s a very selective use of evidence. If JCH had, what is quite obviously his goal, the Crewe goal accredited to him, he’d have a better GPM than Biamou at 1 goal every 333m. JCH’s 4 goals (I count the Crewe goal) and 4 assists (his OG is accredited as an assist on some publications) over 17 games is actually quite comparable to Jodi Jones, who managed 5 goals, 4-6 assists (sources differ), in 22 games...

I’ve defended Biamou because of the adjustment from semi-pro to pro and NL to L2, but you can’t gloss over the fact, it took until late Jan for his first goal, then it took till Easter? As a goal scorer, Biamou has only really been present since Easter... using the same logic, we can say JP is better than Biamou or JCH for that matter, which isn’t true... yet.

Also, if you want to ‘forget’ Biamou’s first half the season, JCH has only just hit the quarter mark of season... McNulty or indeed Biamou’s at this stage would look comparable. Factor in this too: this is first season back from a long-term injury and has been limited to sub appearances for the first half of the season. I think there’s a lot more to come from him.

I think both could play a role in L1, we already know JCH can, because he’s been there and done that.

 

[stupot07]

If we were to conveniently ‘ignore’ Biamou’s season up until Easter, sure, he looks like a world beater... The goal every 141m you cited is better than McNulty’s 145m per goal. But that’s a very selective use of evidence. If JCH had, what is quite obviously his goal, the Crewe goal accredited to him, he’d have a better GPM than Biamou at 1 goal every 333m. JCH’s 4 goals (I count the Crewe goal) and 4 assists (his OG is accredited as an assist on some publications) over 17 games is actually quite comparable to Jodi Jones, who managed 5 goals, 4-6 assists (sources differ), in 22 games...

I’ve defended Biamou because of the adjustment from semi-pro to pro and NL to L2, but you can’t gloss over the fact, it took until late Jan for his first goal, then it took till Easter? As a goal scorer, Biamou has only really been present since Easter... using the same logic, we can say JP is better than Biamou or JCH for that matter, which isn’t true... yet.

Also, if you want to ‘forget’ Biamou’s first half the season, JCH has only just hit the quarter mark of season... McNulty or indeed Biamou’s at this stage would look comparable. Factor in this too: this is first season back from a long-term injury and has been limited to sub appearances for the first half of the season. I think there’s a lot more to come from him.

I think both could play a role in L1, we already know JCH can, because he’s been there and done that.

I'm not conveniently ignoring his season, I'm looking at current form. People just have to accept its taken time to adjust and get his first goal and since then he has been performing.

I'm sure JCH would do a 'job' in league one, but for me he just isnt enough of a goal threat and his career stats back that up, and ultimately why along with his injury he's fallen back to a league two club.

His career total is 24 goals in 161 league games which is about 1 in 8 games.



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[Captain Dart]

I'm sure JCH would do a 'job' in league one, but for me he just isnt enough of a goal threat and his career stats back that up, and ultimately why along with his injury he's fallen back to a league two club.

His career total is 24 goals in 161 league games which is about 1 in 8 games.

Similar to Biamou, 5 goals in 38 league games (18 of which sub appearances).

 

[mark82]

You almost have to ignore biamou's first half of the season. It has taken him time for him to adjust and robins was always clear about that right from the start, and anyone can see he's improved massively and things have clicked and he's now started scoring goals.

Its also about minutes on the pitch and goals per minute, and then form.

League one.
Last 16 league only
JCH 3 goals (only 2 from open play), 5 assists, 1001 mins total 333 mins per goal, 500.5 mins per goal in open play

Biamou 5 goals, 3 assists, 705 mins total, goal every 141 mins

*even if you want chuck in every game over the whose season, his average is almost identical to jch without the benefit of taking a pen. 345 goals per minute of thr season.

Purely based on current form and who who seems to help thr team click more, Biamou is currently the better option.

That said if we get promoted neither are good enough for league one.


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345 goals per minute is very impressive.

 

[stupot07]

Similar to Biamou, 5 goals in 38 league games (18 of which sub appearances).

And I've said that IMO neither are good enough if we get promoted to league.

I was only making the point in my first reply, that on current form (I.e. not whole season but last 15-16 games) Biamou is in better goalscoring form and looks like he is more likely to score goals which is a fact.

I like JCH when he first joined, but for me, he has gradually looked less of a goal threat, and if it comes to the summer and we only get to sign one striker, there are better options that him. But sounds like it's a done deal anyway

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[Captain Dart]

And I've said that IMO neither are good enough if we get promoted to league.

I was only making the point in my first reply, that on current form (I.e. not whole season but last 15-16 games) Biamou is in better goalscoring form and looks like he is more likely to score goals which is a fact.

I like JCH when he first joined, but for me, he has gradually looked less of a goal threat, and if it comes to the summer and we only get to sign one striker, there are better options that him. But sounds like it's a done deal anyway

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Biamou is improving, is JCH?

 

[stupot07]

Biamou is improving, is JCH?

My personal opinion is it no, yet I'm mindful of his age and he is coming back from a big injury. I don't think he (or robins) knows what type of striker he is or how to get thr best out of him. He seems to get too involved in a physical battle often in the wrong areas, and drops too deep, and you rarely see him in the box or playing off the last man running in behind to work the defenders and stretch the play. It seems he naturally wants to drop and turn and run at people and whilst he is quick when running into open space, he's not particularly good at going past people whej hes slowed down, and also seems to hold on too long.


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[Esoterica]

Biamou is improving, is JCH?

JCH needs time too. First season back after a cruciate injury so he'll not be back at his peak til next season. One similarity between JCH, McNulty and Biamou is that they all need(ed) a bit of time invested in them to hit their peak:
McNulty because he'd not been a first choice striker for a full season for a few years so he was ring rusty and had a few niggles as a result, like that hamstring injury.
Biamou because he was making the step up to league football and from only training once per week.
JCH because he's had a serious injury and also not been a first choice striker for several seasons.

If this season has taught us anything it should be not to write strikers off too soon! With Ponti thrown in I've not been this excited about our forwards as a collective since Dublin, Huckerby, Whelan.

 

[rob9872]

JCH needs time too. First season back after a cruciate injury so he'll not be back at his peak til next season. One similarity between JCH, McNulty and Biamou is that they all need(ed) a bit of time invested in them to hit their peak:
McNulty because he'd not been a first choice striker for a full season for a few years so he was ring rusty and had a few niggles as a result, like that hamstring injury.
Biamou because he was making the step up to league football and from only training once per week.
JCH because he's had a serious injury and also not been a first choice striker for several seasons.

If this season has taught us anything it should be not to write strikers off too soon! With Ponti thrown in I've not been this excited about our forwards as a collective since Dublin, Huckerby, Whelan.

Absolutely agree (although you need to include Nuddy in that list) and I like our options at Centre back, Grimmer and then Doyle and the young lads in the middle with Jones and Andreu to come back. Having watched a few years of L1 with momentum and a winning mentality for a change I don't think we'd be that far away a league higher, we only need to add some consistency and cut out some basic errors. A year more experience in a lot of these will have helped that. Even at GK I think a lot of the Burge issues can be coached, but would get another if we go up and of course a LB is definitely needed, but I'm excited with many of our options too.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

I like both, both bring different qualities to the side and JCH brought what MR needed at the right time. Biamou was desperate for a break from the first team but we didn’t have the right personnel to sit him out. JCH came in at the right time to take his burden and Biamou looks to be better for it.

I said on another thread if you could combine Biamou’s desire and JCH natural ability you’d have a player. JCH is a complicated player that needs unlocking but if you can you’ve also a powerful direct striker with a sweet left foot.

It’s worth noting JCH hasn’t played a lot of football over last season and this only what he’s played for us and might not of had a great preseason. There could be a lot more to come with a good summer.






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That's actually a very good point. Pre-season can more often than not either make or break a season for a player. Maybe next season (if he is with us) if JCH gets a solid pre-season under his belt he may hit a run of form!

 

[Esoterica]

My personal opinion is it no, yet I'm mindful of his age and he is coming back from a big injury. I don't think he (or robins) knows what type of striker he is or how to get thr best out of him. He seems to get too involved in a physical battle often in the wrong areas, and drops too deep, and you rarely see him in the box or playing off the last man running in behind to work the defenders and stretch the play. It seems he naturally wants to drop and turn and run at people and whilst he is quick when running into open space, he's not particularly good at going past people whej hes slowed down, and also seems to hold on too long.

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I'd quite like to see JCH and Ponti play together. If we end up losing McNulty I think their playing styles would compliment each other well.

 

[steve82]

I'm not conveniently ignoring his season, I'm looking at current form. People just have to accept its taken time to adjust and get his first goal and since then he has been performing.

I'm sure JCH would do a 'job' in league one, but for me he just isnt enough of a goal threat and his career stats back that up, and ultimately why along with his injury he's fallen back to a league two club.

His career total is 24 goals in 161 league games which is about 1 in 8 games.



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24 goals In 161 games is a loose stat tho as in a chunk of them games he likely played 2 mins to 30 minutes from substitute appearances in them.

His league game time equates to around 87 full league games. So his goals per minute ratio sits around 325 from the championship to L2. That’s just under a 1 in 4 man over his career so far.




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[Nick]

My personal opinion is it no, yet I'm mindful of his age and he is coming back from a big injury. I don't think he (or robins) knows what type of striker he is or how to get thr best out of him. He seems to get too involved in a physical battle often in the wrong areas, and drops too deep, and you rarely see him in the box or playing off the last man running in behind to work the defenders and stretch the play. It seems he naturally wants to drop and turn and run at people and whilst he is quick when running into open space, he's not particularly good at going past people whej hes slowed down, and also seems to hold on too long.


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That sounds like Biamou though for the first 6 months. Dropping way too deep to try and win it and then isolated. It could be a positioning thing Robins wants them to do?

His first couple of games we played him down the channels and he was beating defenders for strength then cutting in.

 

[harvey098]

He works defenders much much harder than Biamou - he’s always backing in and working and running them. That’s the biggest strength he brings.

That’s good. How many points does that get?