Survival? Sorry... but am I missing something (13 Viewers)
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ccfcway
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Stop with the rational thoughts,
Back the team blindly and dont inform us of what is obvious, but we dont want to know
Colonel Mustard
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No we aren't.
No.
I understand you're keen to throw my little sneer back in my face, but you really shouldn't be saying "grow up" whilst simultaneously taking great pride in a closed mind.
ajsccfc
Well-Known Member
The run-in to come may be relatively exciting, but I'm another who'd far rather have nothing to play for. If we were to beat relegation last-minute like we used to there would be a sense of relief, but it'd be married to a horrible sense of what it is that now renders us pleased with a season.
CJparker
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So we're not in with a chance of staying up? How about that for a closed mind. Pathetic.
Can't understand this mentality. Yes, we'd all rather be higher up the league but we are where we are, why not back the team during the crucial run-in?
Answer - because it's easier to sit on the sidelines being cynical and mocking loyal fans.
I've been to 12 games this season during which we've only gained 1 point in total, do you hear me moaning, no. I won't be writing us off any time soon, not until we are mathematically down. Shame on you for giving up and taking pride in that.
Colonel Mustard
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An open mind, actually. I just look at the facts and assess the data and say with great confidence that no, we don't have a 'real' chance of staying up.
Yeah, being reasonable can be a bitch.
I do.
If you think that scouring multiple websites and doing data analysis is easier than sitting back and going 'yay', then you're much mistaken. And I don't mock loyal fans - just those who are the first to use labels and scream and shout, but then whimper as soon as anything is given back at 'em.
Shame on you for putting self-help guff before the club.
CJparker
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Self-help guff? Where did you pull that from???
History doesn't tell you everything, from your analysis we will never win another away match, ever, because of our recent record. My own view of history is that chopping the manager and bringing a replacement hasn't produced long term benefits.
What the club needs now is unconditional support. We are 1 measly result away from safety, and yet you think we have "no real chance of staying up" - why do to you take pleasure in waving the white flag before the real dog fight has even started?
History doesn't tell you everything, from your analysis we will never win another away match, ever, because of our recent record. My own view of history is that chopping the manager and bringing a replacement hasn't produced long term benefits.
What the club needs now is unconditional support. We are 1 measly result away from safety, and yet you think we have "no real chance of staying up" - why do to you take pleasure in waving the white flag before the real dog fight has even started?
Colonel Mustard
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Remaining upbeat about one's prospects in spite of all evidence pointing to the contrary. Self-help guff.
Not true in the least.
This is true, but too superficial. Any analysis of Nilsson and Black's results would show extremely capable, successful managers. There's nothing wrong with sacking ineffective managers, but it's criminal to sack the successful ones. Had they stayed on for three or four years then the general turnover would be a lot smaller.
At the ground, yes. Not on a message board.
I don't take pleasure in it. And I take no pleasure in the thought of CCFC being relegated. I'm not sure how many more times I have to say that. I could easily make a counter-claim that you take pleasure in CCFC being relegated by continuing to back an ineffective manager - but I don't, because I know you wouldn't because you're a fan.
To stay up we would need to reverse an entire season's trends. We would need to continue a very improbable run of home wins as well as pick up points away from home. Do you really think that is likely? Does this season's poor performance and lack of spikes really make you believe we're due one? Did the Barnsley performance (not result) really hearten you?
CJparker
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The season is based on 46 games, not 30-35 - it's where we are at the end of the season that counts. We're in with a real shout, because effectively the season starts now - who cares what's gone before? You're talking like we're down when the issue is far from settled.
I'd agree we're not hot favourites to stay up, but we have a real fighting chance - anyone can see that. It's results not performances that count, so the win over Barnsley was fine with me. I started this season expecting us to be dead and buried by now, but here we are fighting our corner still.
Frankly, I don't see AT as ineffective. He has a criminally poor squad with no resources, managing a club that has long punched well above its weight in this division. Even if we go down I;d give him a 3 year contract as manager. If we stay up, make it 5 years.
With your attitude, why do you bother to go to games?
I'd agree we're not hot favourites to stay up, but we have a real fighting chance - anyone can see that. It's results not performances that count, so the win over Barnsley was fine with me. I started this season expecting us to be dead and buried by now, but here we are fighting our corner still.
Frankly, I don't see AT as ineffective. He has a criminally poor squad with no resources, managing a club that has long punched well above its weight in this division. Even if we go down I;d give him a 3 year contract as manager. If we stay up, make it 5 years.
With your attitude, why do you bother to go to games?
dongonzalos
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I agree with parker. But this post is still funny
Colonel Mustard
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Undoubtedly. But we've had 72% of those 46 games and at every marker along the way we have seen consistency. To write off the importance of that data is to be willingly ignorant. Bookies don't determine their odds based on the fire in the eyes or the sound of the chest thump - they base it on cold, objective analysis. We're odds-on for relegation for very good reasons.
No we're not.
Some of us do. Which is why we've been calling for a change in stewardship for a long time.
I am merely saying that it's very likely we'll go down in response to your substance-free guff about having a 'real chance' to stay up and demands that 'negativity' be silenced.
No we don't.
Haha.
As a whole, that is true. But given that you're so keen on looking to the future and the remaining fixtures, then you will surely concede that performances like the one with Barnsley do not bode well for future results.
They didn't really look like they were fighting against Barnsley...
Ah, that old paradox. The squad that is supposedly so bad that it is relegation fodder, and yet supposedly has the ability to stay up. Which is it? You can't keep having it both ways. Either Thorn is doomed with a rubbish squad, or he is not making enough of their ability (which is sufficient to survive).
SkyBlue_Bear83
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We have as good a chance of staying up as Bristol and Forest imo, 1 poor performance against Barnsley doesn't mean we are going down equally as one good performance against Leeds doesn't mean we are staying up.
Sick Boy
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SISU must love people like you, it lets them get away from investing and hiring a decent manager.
They must be laughing their heads off.
Grendel
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I just showed a mate of mine CJ's post. He laughed so much he broke 2 ribs - now he's threatening to sue me.
Absurd. SickBoy, Sisu are cutting costs, that is their sole rationale. Meanwhile they also continue to pay off Coleman and Boothroyd.....while you would appoint "?" who would cost "?" who would be paid with"?" while demanding"?" a budget of £ "?" to sort this weak squad - a consequence of the aforementioned cost cutting.
You haven't begun to think this through, have you?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
How are they paying off Coleman & Boothroyd!? You stop paying the remainder of the contract when the manager finds a new position. Anyway, Coleman's contract would have expired last Summer I believe.
I have stated what I think about this in previous threads. IF Thorn really is as good as people believe he is, I am sure they want to see him prove us all wrong. I imagine the only way he would stay in the job is if SISU were to stay. After all, he is a much of a SISU employee as Tim Fisher.
Appointing Thorn was a brave and risky decision. At least some people can see what they are trying to do.
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Jack Griffin
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We are in a better position now than a month ago. Just need to retain upturn in form till end of season & hopefully a few teams above will finish badly & drop not us. But it is still a slim hope.
But we desperately need some points away. This says it all... 2nd best on recent home form, LAST on recent away form and a bit below mid-table on overall form.
........................Pld W D L F A GD GFA GAA PpG Pts Rank
Last 8 Overall 8 3 0 5 9 12 -3 1.12 1.50 1.12 9 15th
Last 5 Home 5 4 0 1 10 5 5 2.00 1.00 2.40 12 2nd
Last 5 Away 5 0 0 5 1 8 -7 0.20 1.60 0.00 0 24th
But we desperately need some points away. This says it all... 2nd best on recent home form, LAST on recent away form and a bit below mid-table on overall form.
........................Pld W D L F A GD GFA GAA PpG Pts Rank
Last 8 Overall 8 3 0 5 9 12 -3 1.12 1.50 1.12 9 15th
Last 5 Home 5 4 0 1 10 5 5 2.00 1.00 2.40 12 2nd
Last 5 Away 5 0 0 5 1 8 -7 0.20 1.60 0.00 0 24th
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Grendel
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According to one poster Thorn should still be in contract by then. Still away games at Leamington and Hinkley will save on the coffers.
Grendel
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As neither Coleman or Boothroyd are now being paid at all it seems you haven't thought anything through.
I still don't think some people are getting this bit you know?
- Teams not good enough to stay up but Thorn is doing the best he can = Good manager/Relegation
- Teams good enough to stay up but Thorn is doing a poor job based on results = Poor manager/Change required
You can't have both opinions - that's a contradiction and its dumb.
You can't believe we'll survive on one hand and then have your reason why we didn't pre-planned - otherwise you're no better than SISU. It's basically saying that you can see the problem, but you wont accept it's there. BURY... HEAD... SAND...
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I feal that some poeple want us to go down, yes its likely and i dont think we have a better squad than the teams around us. But our home form is great and a few weeks ago we were 8 points from saftey now we are 3 points. Surely this is a positive. Im for one going to remain positive because the thought of dropping another division is heartbreaking.
Play up Sky blues!!!
Play up Sky blues!!!
Grendel
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Bury - we lost to them didn't we?
Disorganised1
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Yesterday was very poor - but we looked the more likely to score throughout. Platt is very effective at this level, and Nimely could yet score a hatful, because he is in a different class. We have a good keeper, and a strong defence, when we have 4 players ni their correct positions. Less said about midfield the better.
Barnsley were worse than us - but how many games have we been the better team and lost ? Winning every home game should keep us up - some away points would be nice though.
Barnsley were worse than us - but how many games have we been the better team and lost ? Winning every home game should keep us up - some away points would be nice though.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
There are a few on here as well.
One of them even said that in a way they like us going down because SISU will be gone sooner. He is also in 100% support of Thorn.
Good Idea... Let's just hope the problem goes away! Then we can all moan in league 1 that it was SISU's fault because the team wasn't good enough... wait... are we going around in circles here?
covcity4life
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want to go down?...........what a stupid thing to say
the squad is good enough to stay up,we just beat a playoff chasing team and a mid table team
if we go down its due to bad management
the squad is good enough to stay up,we just beat a playoff chasing team and a mid table team
if we go down its due to bad management
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It makes you wonder if some of them have deliberately stuck up for Thorn, especially when results have been going bad as they have had a personal agenda.
Grendel
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I am genuinely beginning to wonder the same myself. Making wild comments like offer him a 5 year contract has no foundation for reason. You ultimately have to conclude there is another agenda somewhere. What real fans of any club would actually say let's reward the manager with the worst record in living memory a longer deal than any other manager ever has had. Its just beyond reason.
We'll_live_and_die
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In your opinion.
Otis
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No, just facing facts, Rich.
We have the worst away record in the entire Football League. We need points on our travels to survive. We have lost 9 away games on the trot. We have only scored 7 goals in 16 away games.
That tells me that we are likely to go down. Difficult to argue against that. Have we seen anything away from home lately that has made it look like we can pick up points? Did we even make the Forest keeper make a save in the last game?
Just facing facts, Rich.