Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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There's a difference between taking someone seriously and saying there is a need for transparency on a difficult issue.
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There's a difference between taking someone seriously and saying there is a need for transparency on a difficult issue.
skybluetony176
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So you are taking him seriously then.
clint van damme
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you don't understand the phrase faux outrage.
Faux outrage is people pretending to be outraged about something when they are just trying to pursue an agenda.
You do it on nearly every thread with your anti muslim crusade.
My stance is simple, pursue the people involved not the whole community, pursuing the whole community is how the nazis started, some of your rhetoric is dangerously close to theirs, I've actually given you examples before of some of your quotes and similar ones aimed at the Jews by the black shirts in the 40s.
But no doubt you'll tell me this is different.
Grendel
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You’ve said there is a conspiracy to silence him so according to you he is a threat to the establishment
Personally I think he’s an odious wanker and you’d have to have far right leanings to know who he is. I’d never have heard of him unless the bloke who headed the trust wasn’t outed as an EDL sympathiser.
He’s a poor mans nick griffin
chiefdave
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UK population: 87% white, 6.9% Asian, 3% black.
Child sex offenders: 90% white, 4% Asian, 3% black.
Grendel
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Actually that’s also not helpful as Asian offenders in Rotherham accounted for the majority of victims
Tommy Robinson will be thrilled with you posting that Dave as it’s meat and drink to his argument.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Which one is it then?
One minute it is 28%, the next 4%.
One minute you are denying you are trying to say there isn't a problem, the next you are denying there is a problem.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Yes I do. You are pretending to be outraged at my comments because they sound 'similar' to hitler when he was talking about Jews. Everyone knows deep down (including yourself) that it is a load of bollocks.
It's just a typical tactic of trying to shut down the opponent in a debate. Cry that someone sounds like hitler so they cannot argue back.
By ignoring the background these people come from, you are ignoring the problem, all for the sake of political correctness.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Yeah, that's clearly exactly what I said.
clint van damme
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doesn't it mean that grooming gangs is a specific type of sexual offence, so 28% for grooming gangs but 4% overall.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Carry on trying to find a way out for them if you want...
clint van damme
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I'm not pretending to be outraged by your comments, I'm not outraged by them. I don't believe you are a Nazi so just giving you a heads up about the territory your straying into with your rhetoric, even if inadvertently. Whether you take any notice or not is up to you.
I'm not ignoring the problem, I want the book thrown at anyone found guilty, I don't want them getting off the hook on a technicality handed to them on a plate by tommy robinson. I'm also not prepared to label whole communities on the actions of a minority. You're OK with that that's up to you, but historically it's never ended well.
clint van damme
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you said to CD make your mind up, I was pointing out those statistic refer to different things, I thought it was fairly obvious but was just trying to point it out to you.
Why do you think I want to find a way to help sex offenders?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Because you cannot stand the fact an alarming amount of them are muslim.
clint van damme
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so you're saying I want to help sex offenders? Idiot.
I want them all locked up, I don't want innocent people in their communities locked up, that's the difference between me and you.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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No, the difference between me and you is that I'm not scared to acknowledge there is a problem from a certain community.
There is a big difference between that and wanting innocent people locked up.
clint van damme
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but if the statistics provided by CD are correct then there is a huge problem in the white community and the stats I've read put me in the demographic of the biggest offending group, I would not want to be labelled as a sex offender because of that.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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There is a problem with sex offending full stop. I'm not sure why it is so desirable as part of the kick of shagging for me is that a girl actually wants to have sex with you.
I agree that this is not a problem exclusive to muslims by any means, but I have a stronger point of view that there are a staggeringly high number coming from this background which I don't think has been dealt with properly by the media or the government. It frustrates me even further when I feel like people are arguing against that for the sake of it, or because they have a particular agenda.
As I said, I don't think Tommy Robinson is the solution, I certainly don't like him either. We need transparency and we need moderate people who will call it as it is. People like Tommy Robinson would then be irrelevant to wider audiences.
clint van damme
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so if what you say is true what would you want the government to do?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I would start with implementing a public zero tolerance policy straight away. They need to know they are not going to get away with it, or be able to hide behind their religion. Community leaders need to be brought onside to echo this and a mass clean up is needed. The time of getting away with it is over.
One of my friends works for social services and goes on call to round up naughty kids (she'd hate me describing her job as that, but it is pretty much exactly what she does). She is a bit ignorant about the wider picture but talks a lot about younger vulnerable girls 'covering themselves up' and going to meet groups of men in hotels all the time. They frequently report it to the police and they do nothing. That has to change.
You might think I've made that up to further my argument, but I assure you that's absolute truth. They don't want to know.
As I have said with terrorists, any foreign born perpetrators need to be deported, any British born need harsh and point-making sentences in prison. The last point is obviously particularly relevant to all paedos who continually think it is still worth the risk.
clint van damme
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with regard to terrorism you're talking about the same government who've got rid of thousands of police officers and told Chief constables they were being 'drama queens' when they were warned of the consequences so I wouldn't hold your breath.
As for the police not responding to reports of young girls with groups of men I can't say I'm surprised and it's scandalous to be honest but you need to remember that recently someone got jailed for throwing a smoke bomb in the same week someone who had 2,000 indecent images of children didn't get a custodial.
skybluetony176
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You do realise that you constantly repeat his rhetoric? Maybe you don’t take yourself seriously either in that case. In that case there’s no point anyone taking you seriously.
skybluetony176
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You said we need Tommy Robinson in your first post on this thread. Have you changed your mind all of a sudden?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I agree with all of that. The police cuts concern me, but this was going on long before this as well.
The smoke bomb vs peado thing you just mentioned doesn't surprise me either. I have lost a lot of faith with the police and courts in recent years.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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My point is that we need people like him to speak out, that doesn't mean I personally think he is the right person to do this, or goes about it in the right way. The same way as if Nigel Farage said he like a certain beer that you also liked. I wouldn't be saying you loved him based on that alone.
If you can't break down that simple paragraph then I suggest no one takes you seriously either.
Where did those figures come from ? How are the stats just in England ?
Truth is I think we've lost all idea of the population structure now, we lost control of the borders about 20 years ago. Are those 'White figures' including the 750,000 Poles, 400,000 plus Romanians, then there are the Bulgarians, Baltic states etc etc
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Someone's determined to blame the foreigners...
Grendel
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I thiink this interview gives the an accurate and fair opinion. It shows the religious teachings are a factor in creating these people but at the same time shows that the intervention by the likes of Robinson are less than helpful
As a Rotherham grooming gang survivor, I want people to know about the religious extremism which inspired my abusers
As a Rotherham grooming gang survivor, I want people to know about the religious extremism which inspired my abusers
Blaming foreigners for what, I was just asking questions about stats.
Evo1883
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the reality is , in terms of child grooming Gangs that over 80% of offenders are from Bangladeshi or Pakistani Muslim descent .
This is fact backed up by majid nawaz a Muslim man who agrees there is a problem within the community .
He has also argued with Muslims regularly on his LBC radio show about their attitudes towards women and homosexuals .
He believes there are fundamental problems associated with the religion itself .
However for the white native lefties this isn’t enough as they know best .
Tommy Robinson I’m not really bothered about , there is a lot of FACTUAL things he says .
You may not like or agree with that statement , doesn’t alter the reality .
It’s not just white racist EDL idiots that hate Islam , Sikhs Jews catholics christians Buddhist bastard monks all seem to have problems with the religion , but obviously it’s everybody else’s fault as they are all islamophobic .
Fucking sleep walking some people
This is fact backed up by majid nawaz a Muslim man who agrees there is a problem within the community .
He has also argued with Muslims regularly on his LBC radio show about their attitudes towards women and homosexuals .
He believes there are fundamental problems associated with the religion itself .
However for the white native lefties this isn’t enough as they know best .
Tommy Robinson I’m not really bothered about , there is a lot of FACTUAL things he says .
You may not like or agree with that statement , doesn’t alter the reality .
It’s not just white racist EDL idiots that hate Islam , Sikhs Jews catholics christians Buddhist bastard monks all seem to have problems with the religion , but obviously it’s everybody else’s fault as they are all islamophobic .
Fucking sleep walking some people
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BINGO!
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Good job nobody suggests it's clueless righty twats that end up causing the issue with their desire to castigate whole groups of people...
Evo1883
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See above video , pretty much where I stand on the matter tbh.
And yes , it’s PC culture that has hampered efforts to stop child grooming , it’s fear of being branded racist that’s stopped efforts to crack down on child grooming .
It’s fear of being called islamophobic to criticise the religion .
People have lost jobs , children have lost futures and people’s lives tarnished all in the name of your PC culture
Lefties usually lead the chants, take that to the bank you absolute cowards
And yes , it’s PC culture that has hampered efforts to stop child grooming , it’s fear of being branded racist that’s stopped efforts to crack down on child grooming .
It’s fear of being called islamophobic to criticise the religion .
People have lost jobs , children have lost futures and people’s lives tarnished all in the name of your PC culture
Lefties usually lead the chants, take that to the bank you absolute cowards