Ched Evans (2 Viewers)

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Read some Sheff U fans seem to think Coventry are after Ched Evans after a bid for him came in yesterday afternoon...

 

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[Otis]

Ooh, that is going to prove contentious if true.

Haven't Sheffield Utd already annoyed us enough?

 

[Nick]

Aside from the obvious, he hasn't really done anything since being back in football.

Looked awful for Chesterfield against us.

 

[Harry_Walker]

Can’t see where it’s being said he’s linked with us can only see links to Barnsley

 

[Nick]

It's a loan deal also isn't it?

Sheffield United: Chris Wilder confirms Ched Evans loan and insists David Brooks should have stayed a Blade

 

[mark82]

I sincerely hope not.

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

Would seem more likely he's heading to league 2 or even the conference to get game time and fitness. Very surprised if he rocked up here.

 

[CCFC_Charlie]

No thank you. Done nothing since his return to football and a nasty piece of work.

 

[chiefdave]

Would rather not for the obvious reason. Not to mention he's hardly been setting the world alight since coming back.

 

[Warwickhunt]

Just another possible signing to keep Anne Lucas away if you ask me

 

[sw88]

Please god, no!

 

[Marty]

It's a no for me, done nothing since his release from prison.

 

[Magwitch]

But he has been declared innocent.
I still wouldn’t sign him though.

 

[christonabike]

I would have Marlon before him!
Fook me how many pages of foaming at the mouth did we have on that one!
Jesus I’m getting old!

 

[HerneBayGaz]

Couldn’t get Marlon back, wouldn’t be able to play with an electronic tag on...

 

[Astute]

I would throw away the ST I haven't bought if he came to our proud football club.

 

[CCFC_Charlie]

But he has been declared innocent.
I still wouldn’t sign him though.

No he hasn't, he's been found 'not guilty', they're not the same thing. All 'not guilty' means is that there wasn't sufficient evidence of crime to find someone guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

The trial was a sham in which the poor woman was subjected to all sorts of vile shite about her sexual history, dragging her name through the mud, which had zero bearing on the case or whether or not she was the victim of a crime. It should never have been permitted in a court of law and clearly had an impact on the case. Read anything about the evidence given in court and tell me that Evans isn't scum of the highest order and has no place in a family football club such as ours.

"The woman told the jury she woke up naked in a hotel room in Rhyl, north Wales, in May 2011 with no memory of what had happened but fearing that her drinks had been spiked. Friends encouraged her to go to the police, and officers found out that the room in which she woke up had been booked and paid for by Evans. He was questioned, and both he and his friend and fellow footballer Clayton McDonald said they had consensual sex with the woman.

The prosecution said she could not possibly have consented, as she was too intoxicated. She has never alleged that Evans or McDonald raped her.

In court, Evans admitted that he lied to get the key for the hotel room and did not speak to the woman before, during or after sex. He left via a fire exit. It also emerged that Evans’s younger brother and another man were trying to film what was happening from outside the room."

 

[Otis]

But he has been declared innocent.
I still wouldn’t sign him though.

Not under Twat Law he's not. Under Twat Law he is very much guilty.

Condemned and sentenced to be labelled 'Twat' now for the rest of his life, the twat.

 

[shmmeee]

No he hasn't, he's been found 'not guilty', they're not the same thing. All 'not guilty' means is that there wasn't sufficient evidence of crime to find someone guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

The trial was a sham in which the poor woman was subjected to all sorts of vile shite about her sexual history, dragging her name through the mud, which had zero bearing on the case or whether or not she was the victim of a crime. It should never have been permitted in a court of law and clearly had an impact on the case. Read anything about the evidence given in court and tell me that Evans isn't scum of the highest order and has no place in a family football club such as ours.

"The woman told the jury she woke up naked in a hotel room in Rhyl, north Wales, in May 2011 with no memory of what had happened but fearing that her drinks had been spiked. Friends encouraged her to go to the police, and officers found out that the room in which she woke up had been booked and paid for by Evans. He was questioned, and both he and his friend and fellow footballer Clayton McDonald said they had consensual sex with the woman.

The prosecution said she could not possibly have consented, as she was too intoxicated. She has never alleged that Evans or McDonald raped her.

In court, Evans admitted that he lied to get the key for the hotel room and did not speak to the woman before, during or after sex. He left via a fire exit. It also emerged that Evans’s younger brother and another man were trying to film what was happening from outside the room."

Innocent until proven guilty is what we have in this country. Therefore if he's not guilty he is innocent. We also don't carry out vigilante justice because we don't agree with a court's decision. No matter how much we think we're Sherlock Holmes.

The guy hasn't been convicted of anything and as such should be treated as innocent. Anything else is a perversion of our justice system.

 

[robbiekeane]

Innocent until proven guilty is what we have in this country. Therefore if he's not guilty he is innocent. We also don't carry out vigilante justice because we don't agree with a court's decision. No matter how much we think we're Sherlock Holmes.

The guy hasn't been convicted of anything and as such should be treated as innocent. Anything else is a perversion of our justice system.

This. He’s a c****, but not a criminal

 

[better days]

This. He’s a c****, but not a criminal

I'd agree with the first part but change the second to 'he doesn't have any criminal convictions'

 

[joemercersaces]

According to some sources he’s rejected us in favour of Bradford. Lucky them. Reminds me of an old Monty Python joke about Nixon having an arsehole transplant but the arsehole rejected him.

 

[Yorkshire SB]

Innocent until proven guilty is what we have in this country. Therefore if he's not guilty he is innocent. We also don't carry out vigilante justice because we don't agree with a court's decision. No matter how much we think we're Sherlock Holmes.

The guy hasn't been convicted of anything and as such should be treated as innocent. Anything else is a perversion of our justice system.

The guy is replying to a post which says he was declared innocent, which is not true. There was a similar reaction when he was found ‘not guilty’; the dark fruits brigade slammed the woman for ‘lying’. Therefore in this instance I think it’s important to note the difference.

Whilst he was found not guilty and absolutely deserves to given the opportunity to play football again, I don’t believe he warrants signing, purely for footballing reasons.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

No he hasn't, he's been found 'not guilty', they're not the same thing. All 'not guilty' means is that there wasn't sufficient evidence of crime to find someone guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

The trial was a sham in which the poor woman was subjected to all sorts of vile shite about her sexual history, dragging her name through the mud, which had zero bearing on the case or whether or not she was the victim of a crime. It should never have been permitted in a court of law and clearly had an impact on the case. Read anything about the evidence given in court and tell me that Evans isn't scum of the highest order and has no place in a family football club such as ours.

"The woman told the jury she woke up naked in a hotel room in Rhyl, north Wales, in May 2011 with no memory of what had happened but fearing that her drinks had been spiked. Friends encouraged her to go to the police, and officers found out that the room in which she woke up had been booked and paid for by Evans. He was questioned, and both he and his friend and fellow footballer Clayton McDonald said they had consensual sex with the woman.

The prosecution said she could not possibly have consented, as she was too intoxicated. She has never alleged that Evans or McDonald raped her.

In court, Evans admitted that he lied to get the key for the hotel room and did not speak to the woman before, during or after sex. He left via a fire exit. It also emerged that Evans’s younger brother and another man were trying to film what was happening from outside the room."

He was also convicted on very murky evidence in the first place. To prove the victim was drunk, they used CCTV of her stumbling at a takeaway IIRC.

He went through the hassle of a retrial after he was convicted and served his jail time. That to me, at least says he was desperate to clear his name, and he was found ‘not guilty’ in a retrial. I put my faith in the rule of law and the criminal justice system (the bedrock of western civilisation), not a few feminist journalists who want to take this as further ‘proof’ of the boogeyman that is the ‘patriarchy’.

 

[mark82]

For me it's risk Vs reward. Whatever his innocence or guilt in the matter it will bring a mini media circus and I don't think his talent as a footballer (since coming back at least) outweighs the bad that the signing could do. Certainly not what I'd want to replace McNulty.

 

[Grendel]

Innocent until proven guilty is what we have in this country. Therefore if he's not guilty he is innocent. We also don't carry out vigilante justice because we don't agree with a court's decision. No matter how much we think we're Sherlock Holmes.

The guy hasn't been convicted of anything and as such should be treated as innocent. Anything else is a perversion of our justice system.

Well he was convicted actually

Oddly an actor who appeared in the Jeremy Thorpe scandal in an interview described the programme as a story about a politician who was hired to kill an innocent man who was his gay lover.

The facts actually were he was acquitted and also the justice system threw scorn on the fact Jeremy Thorpe was a homosexual.

I don’t think you even need to be Doctor Watson to know what the real truth was there.

 

[fernandopartridge]

But he has been declared innocent.
I still wouldn’t sign him though.

No, he has not been declared innocent. He has been found not guilty based on the evidence presented. It is a completely different thing.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

My guess is, is that he only accepted Bradford because he was guaranteed first team game time. Something which we couldn't because we've got a frontrunner still in mind. Chaplin or someone else.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He was also convicted on very murky evidence in the first place. To prove the victim was drunk, they used CCTV of her stumbling at a takeaway IIRC.

He went through the hassle of a retrial after he was convicted and served his jail time. That to me, at least says he was desperate to clear his name, and he was found ‘not guilty’ in a retrial. I put my faith in the rule of law and the criminal justice system (the bedrock of western civilisation), not a few feminist journalists who want to take this as further ‘proof’ of the boogeyman that is the ‘patriarchy’.

and her stated evidence under oath

 

[Covstu]

I don't think it will happen and we certainly don't need this level of hassle for a loanee. One area in the squad last year was the team unity which a player like this can break down in weeks. no thanks.

 

[rob9872]

Rod McDonald's brother was with him too but found innocent.

If he can be motivated, then he's still only 30 and scored a bagful at this level some years back. Questionable attitude perhaps, but if he's hungry enough then could be worthy of a punt. Would keep Anne Lucas away too.

 

[Nick]

I never knew it was Rod's brother.

 

[shmmeee]

The guy is replying to a post which says he was declared innocent, which is not true. There was a similar reaction when he was found ‘not guilty’; the dark fruits brigade slammed the woman for ‘lying’. Therefore in this instance I think it’s important to note the difference.

Whilst he was found not guilty and absolutely deserves to given the opportunity to play football again, I don’t believe he warrants signing, purely for footballing reasons.

AFAIK the courts don't declare innocence. The verdicts are Guilty or Not Guilty. Innocence is a moral judgement outside of the court's purview.

 

[Grendel]

AFAIK the courts don't declare innocence. The verdicts are Guilty or Not Guilty. Innocence is a moral judgement outside of the court's purview.

So Jeremy Thorpe was not guilty.

Ched Evans was found guilty for the record.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

and her stated evidence under oath

‘Her stated evidence’ vs ‘his [Evans] stated evidence’ is basically someone’s word against another — that wouldn’t be enough evidence for a conviction in most court cases.

There’s a lot more pressure on the police to increase convictions for charges relating to sexual assault crimes. In part because of statistics (that are often flawed and have some dodgy research methods) published about really low convictions of said crimes. It’s pretty obvious any one who commits this type crime really is the lowest of the low, however, there has to due process behind convictions so these trials aren’t by ‘lynch mobs’.

For any rugby fans, there was the Paddy Jackson trial, which he was found guilty, and his legal representatives seem to think it was pursued so aggressively because he was a high status person. The integrity of our legal system can’t be undermined which a lot of people in the media, particular the radical feminist sort, are trying to do to a degree. Taking the results of trials of Evans and Jackson and saying regardless of what the court’s ruling, they still committed those crimes. Which I think is wrong.