Iain Dowie - harshly viewed as a failure? (6 Viewers)

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CJparker

CJparker

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Dowie seems to be treated as a bit of a managerial joke, but in fact he has been very hard done by at several clubs, so his record makes him look worse than he is:

Oldham - did really well and get the Palace job on the back of that

Palace - got them into the Prem and nearly kept there against the odds

Charlton - only had a few games in charge: when he left you'd only lost 1 out of the last 6 games he managed after a poor start

Cov - Ranson wanted to bring his own man (Coleman) in, previously the financial crisis at the club had prevented him from doing well, but still scored cup wins at Blackburn and Man U

QPR - did OK with them but not amazingly, even though he never saw the promised huge budget - just another victim of their trigger happy owners along with Gregory, Luigi Di Canio, Sousa etc

Hull - temp contract when they were already down


So he's managed to fall out with people rather than be an awful manager. Saying that, I'd rather not have him back.

Was slightly surprised he didn't go for the NI job which went to o'Niell. Also Magilton would be a strong contender for that.
 
pusbccfc

pusbccfc

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I love the passion and pride he showed.
He also was in charge in our best win last decade against united.
 
Walking Bird

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I had no issues with Dowie & Flowers. Wonder what they could have done with the money Coleman spent.
 
torchomatic

torchomatic

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I didn't like him or his bouncebackability.
 
Marty

Marty

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He wasted a lot of what little money we had, I wouldn't have trusted him with money.
 
stupot07

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I think the wins v Blackburn and Manu reserves cloud some people's memory's of Dowies tenure.
 
sw88

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stupot07 said:
I think the wins v Blackburn and Manu reserves cloud some people's memory's of Dowies tenure.
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You say 'Man U reserves' (like most United fans do) but there were still some decent players in that team. And for anyone to go United as an under dog (in fairness most teams do), and come away with a clear win, is pretty impressive whether its reserves or not!
 
Paxman II

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He was fired by Ranson at an unbelievable time and that firing very nearly cost us our championship status later as Coleman tried to get to grips with the job and bar a lick of paint on a goal post.
He was enthusiastic and I believe would have got it right - certainly better than Coleman.

We need to appoint someone who you just know will get results going come what may. Neil Warnock is that type of manager. Leeds lost yesterday but you just know there will be a run at the play offs from Leeds because of Warnock. How many of those managers are there around? Can you name any?
 
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EleanorRigby

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My issue with Dowie and come to that Coleman and Boothroyd is none of them addressed the team problems that were there for all to see, still are. No pace other than Mifsud and look how dangerous we were when he first started, shame he couldn't play. No team balance infact under Dowie we had more left kickers than a mass at St Mary's. We have had full back peoblems here for 5 seasons right or left back and when we find a decent right back (Keogh) we convert him to centre-half when we have half a dozen exposing the right back slot again.
 
Colonel Mustard

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Dowie was sacked because the team plummeted down the table over a period of three months.

We averaged 0.73 points-per-game over that third of a season. We slipped from 8th to 19th in the league with no sign of a turnaround coming.

As stupot said, the cup results tend to cloud the reality of the league performance. It was right to sack Dowie to make a proper fight against relegation, but it doesn't mean he has a bad legacy. We'll always have Blackburn and Man Utd...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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The 4-1 at Blackburn was the best City game I've been to. His attitude to the job was mind numbingly positive at times but it was better than Coleman's dour demeanour. The only cash signing was the fee the Cassidy brothers stumped up for Best-the rest were freebies. He had essentially identical financial resources to Thorn but draws far less praise.
 
Spence CCFC

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If he had the players Coleman had he would have done a lot lot better. Remember Turner (when he was shit) and De Zeeuw playing at centre back with Julian Gray left wing. Woeful team.
 
stupot07

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
The 4-1 at Blackburn was the best City game I've been to. His attitude to the job was mind numbingly positive at times but it was better than Coleman's dour demeanour. The only cash signing was the fee the Cassidy brothers stumped up for Best-the rest were freebies. He had essentially identical financial resources to Thorn but draws far less praise.
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You forgot borrowdale......and the nominal fee for Simpson. Also to say he had identical resources as Thorn is misleading he inherited a better squad (e.g miffy, tabb, ward, doyle at his peak, Dele, etc) and had a wage budget that was treble what it is now. Also those freebie signings would have been entitled to signing on fee's, etc.

He was able to bring in 11/12 permanent signings some of which would have been on decent money (e.g. De Zeuw, Michael Hughes,) and make a couple of loan signings.
 
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Grendel

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Problem with dowie is that he signs a lot of players. He hugely inflated the playing squad but most of those players were poor. There were some really off beat signings (Cairo?) and he benifitted from misfud and adebole scoring lots of goals in a short period. Most of the good players he had were not signed by him.
 
Colonel Mustard

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Spence CCFC said:
If he had the players Coleman had he would have done a lot lot better.
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We just don't know that. You can only judge a manager on what he does with what he has, and Dowie was failing in a big way. I'm sure people would say that AT could do better with Dowie's resources, and on and on it goes.
 
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georgehudson

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that is the crux, we don't know, 'resources made available' is such a vague phrase,
questions arise though from our current and past squad,
who gave out long contracts to bell & baker ?
why was eastwood allowed to malinger ?
who appointed dulieu head of football operations ?
and on what football related basis ?
what were the real details behind the exit of dann, fox, best, westwood, gunnarson, turner, king etc., ?
all in the manner of more openess & regular communication,
so over to you onye,
we wait................
 
johnniericoh

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CJparker said:
Dowie seems to be treated as a bit of a managerial joke, but in fact he has been very hard done by at several clubs, so his record makes him look worse than he is:

Oldham - did really well and get the Palace job on the back of that

Palace - got them into the Prem and nearly kept there against the odds

Charlton - only had a few games in charge: when he left you'd only lost 1 out of the last 6 games he managed after a poor start

Cov - Ranson wanted to bring his own man (Coleman) in, previously the financial crisis at the club had prevented him from doing well, but still scored cup wins at Blackburn and Man U

QPR - did OK with them but not amazingly, even though he never saw the promised huge budget - just another victim of their trigger happy owners along with Gregory, Luigi Di Canio, Sousa etc

Hull - temp contract when they were already down


So he's managed to fall out with people rather than be an awful manager. Saying that, I'd rather not have him back.

Was slightly surprised he didn't go for the NI job which went to o'Niell. Also Magilton would be a strong contender for that.
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When he first came to CCFC (19/02/07-11/02/08) he was like a breath of fresh air - he turfed out the acadamy lads at 7.00 am to get an early start and I am sure he introduced a lot of sports science disciplines and lifestyle dictates to the then squad.

His track record was not all that bad either P49 W20-D8-L21 Pts 68 and a win ratio of 41% !!! - compares as above average for the last few CCFC managers.

If that form was transposed to this time now we would have 47 points and lying comfortably in 12th place and NOT 22nd with a win ratio of 21% !!!
 
stupot07

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johnniericoh said:
When he first came to CCFC (19/02/07-11/02/08) he was like a breath of fresh air - he turfed out the acadamy lads at 7.00 am to get an early start and I am sure he introduced a lot of sports science disciplines and lifestyle dictates to the then squad.

His track record was not all that bad either P49 W20-D8-L21 Pts 68 and a win ratio of 41% !!! - compares as above average for the last few CCFC managers.

If that form was transposed to this time now we would have 47 points and lying comfortably in 12th place and NOT 22nd with a win ratio of 21% !!!
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Not all those games were league games - I'd e interested to see what hi record was in te league. He also had a far better squad and in particular better strike force than we have now. Comparing Dowie, Coleman, etc to Thorn is not comparing like for like.
 
johnniericoh

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stupot07 said:
Not all those games were league games - I'd e interested to see what hi record was in te league. He also had a far better squad and in particular better strike force than we have now. Comparing Dowie, Coleman, etc to Thorn is not comparing like for like.
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You are right stupot - ID win ratio for league games was indeed 35% that should still be eligible to compare with AT.

Additionally ID was sacked in 19th place after 30 games with 35 points - finished that season in 21st place after 46 games and 53 points

PUSB
 
stupot07

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johnniericoh said:
You are right stupot - ID win ratio for league games was indeed 35% that should still be eligible to compare with AT.

Additionally ID was sacked in 19th place after 30 games with 35 points - finished that season in 21st place after 46 games and 53 points

PUSB
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The OP was that Dowie was harshly treated, not that his record was better than AT's - and a number of posters including me suggested that the cup games cloud peoples memories of his tenure, his league record was a mixed bag: -

PL 43 W 15 D7 L 21 Win ratio 35% Loss ratio 49% 1.21 pts per game (55 over a season) - the points per game is almost identical to Coleman's 1.19 (54.5) and Adams - 1.26 pts per game (58).

He also had much better squads than what we have presently - during his time here he had Miffy, Dele, Stern John, Hutchinson, Doyle at his peak, Tabb, Ward, McKenzie, Leon Best, etc
 
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dongonzalos

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CJparker said:
Dowie seems to be treated as a bit of a managerial joke, but in fact he has been very hard done by at several clubs, so his record makes him look worse than he is:

Oldham - did really well and get the Palace job on the back of that

Palace - got them into the Prem and nearly kept there against the odds

Charlton - only had a few games in charge: when he left you'd only lost 1 out of the last 6 games he managed after a poor start

Cov - Ranson wanted to bring his own man (Coleman) in, previously the financial crisis at the club had prevented him from doing well, but still scored cup wins at Blackburn and Man U

QPR - did OK with them but not amazingly, even though he never saw the promised huge budget - just another victim of their trigger happy owners along with Gregory, Luigi Di Canio, Sousa etc

Hull - temp contract when they were already down


So he's managed to fall out with people rather than be an awful manager. Saying that, I'd rather not have him back.

Was slightly surprised he didn't go for the NI job which went to o'Niell. Also Magilton would be a strong contender for that.
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I have to say he is also harshly viewed as ugly......... Not sure how people come to these conclusions and misconceptions
 
False9

False9

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Crap 'modern' manager who relied too heavily on soundbites and amino acids whilst neglecting the tactical side.
 
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