Tommy Robinson (11 Viewers)

[Nick]

The American bloke you’re talking about is a right wing journalist from Fox. Tucker Carson. The Fox News team are little different from the Islamists in terms of their conservative religious views. TR has said often that he is not religious. I really wish he wouldn’t speak to people like Fox News.

As for his cell, I never said it was freezing. You’re straw manning again.

People like me? Do you mean people with Oxbridge PhDs? People who earn over $450K per year? People who have spent many years studying Christianity and Islam? People who have lived in Muslim countries? Academics? People with mixed race kids? I’m all of that and more.

The guy he was speaking to was trying his very best to put things into his head, buzzwords and phrases. It was obvious he was trying to manipulate him to say things.

I didn't ask what you have studied, where you have lived or your kids. I am pointing out you are buying all of the bullshit about him being in there and how it was as bad as a terrorist prison camp for him.

What on earth has the colour of your kids got to do with you believing some of the nonsense they have put out? Pretty sure I haven't mentioned anything to do with race, just pointing out it seems you believe any old shite they churn out. ie:

He requested solitary because he was put in a high risk prison full of Islamic extremists. He should have gone to low risk prison given the nature of the offence and he wouldn't then have had to go into solitary.

You could earn millions each year, stuff like that would still be a load of shite.

 

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[singers_pore]

Was his food not taken sealed to him directly from the kitchen by a guard who made sure it was OK?

Yes, the guard personally cooked the food and then tasted it to make sure it hadn’t been poisoned. You are being ridiculous so youll get a ridiculous reply.

 

[Nick]

Yes, the guard personally cooked the food and then tasted it to make sure it hadn’t been poisoned. You are being ridiculous so youll get a ridiculous reply.

No what happened was the guards went over and clearly said "this food is for Tommy Robinson" (after all he is the only prisoner there) so the prisoners knew exactly who it was for to poison it. They then took it over knowing it had been poisoned and gave it to him.

Let's use a bit of logic, the guards will be taking multiple meals away from the kitchen that would be sealed to go to other people. How would they know which one is his to poison?

 

[singers_pore]

The guy he was speaking to was trying his very best to put things into his head, buzzwords and phrases. It was obvious he was trying to manipulate him to say things.

I didn't ask what you have studied, where you have lived or your kids. I am pointing out you are buying all of the bullshit about him being in there and how it was as bad as a terrorist prison camp for him.

What on earth has the colour of your kids got to do with you believing some of the nonsense they have put out? Pretty sure I haven't mentioned anything to do with race, just pointing out it seems you believe any old shite they churn out. ie:



You could earn millions each year, stuff like that would still be a load of shite.

You referred to people like me in the same contemptuous way that the MSM refer to all TR supporters. You were stereotyping me which is why I called you out. I have read tons on this subject from all sides of the debate. My interest came from living overseas and seeing firsthand how conservative Islam works in reality. I despise all conservative forms of religion not just Islam. Indeed I am currently writing a book about Christianity. I have read so much on the subject you are in no position to accuse me of swallowing BS.

 

[Nick]

You referred to people like me in the same contemptuous way that the MSM refer to all TR supporters. You were stereotyping me which is why I called you out. I have read tons on this subject from all sides of the debate. My interest came from living overseas and seeing firsthand how conservative Islam works in reality. I despise all conservative forms of religion not just Islam. Indeed I am currently writing a book about Christianity. I have read so much on the subject you are in no position to accuse me of swallowing BS.

Read what I am disputing. I am not talking about religion, I've never once mentioned Islam or race so not sure why you are trying to throw that at me.

I am accusing you of swallowing BS because I have seen you post BS repeated from somebody else which is what I picked up on. You could have written 10 books, shagged Kelly Brook and blown a million on Coke. You would still be repeating nonsense you have swallowed.

Which one next? That he was next to the Mosque in there?

 

[singers_pore]

No what happened was the guards went over and clearly said "this food is for Tommy Robinson" (after all he is the only prisoner there) so the prisoners knew exactly who it was for to poison it. They then took it over knowing it had been poisoned and gave it to him.

Let's use a bit of logic, the guards will be taking multiple meals away from the kitchen that would be sealed to go to other people. How would they know which one is his to poison?

So if you were TR and had been threatened with poisoning, you would just assume that it would be impossible for them to poison it? You’d take that chance would you?

 

[singers_pore]

Read what I am disputing. I am not talking about religion, I've never once mentioned Islam or race.

I am accusing you of swallowing BS because I have seen you post BS repeated from somebody else which is what I picked up on. You could have written 10 books, shagged Kelly Brook and blown a million on Coke. You would still be repeating nonsense you have swallowed.

You haven’t demonstrated that I have posted anything that was incorrect. You claim it’s BS but you haven’t given any evidence.

 

[Nick]

You haven’t demonstrated that I have posted anything that was incorrect. You claim it’s BS but you haven’t given any evidence.

I pointed out that it was BS about it being a high risk prison full of Extremists because it isn't.

I pointed out that the guards would have had to make sure nothing wrong with his food because they would.

I pointed out he was under protection and got special treatment because he did.

This is where you are believing the spin...

It's nonsense like this:

 

[singers_pore]

The guy he was speaking to was trying his very best to put things into his head, buzzwords and phrases. It was obvious he was trying to manipulate him to say things.

I didn't ask what you have studied, where you have lived or your kids. I am pointing out you are buying all of the bullshit about him being in there and how it was as bad as a terrorist prison camp for him.

What on earth has the colour of your kids got to do with you believing some of the nonsense they have put out? Pretty sure I haven't mentioned anything to do with race, just pointing out it seems you believe any old shite they churn out. ie:



You could earn millions each year, stuff like that would still be a load of shite.

TR’s version of events regarding solitary confinement is different from that given by the prison. TR has just posted document transcripts on his FB feed which seem to support his story.

TR has stated that HMP Onley has the highest Muslim population of all Cat C prisons in the UK. Is that BS as well?

 

[Nick]

TR’s version of events regarding solitary confinement is different from that given by the prison. TR has just posted document transcripts on his FB feed which seem to support his story.

TR has stated that HMP Onley has the highest Muslim population of all Cat C prisons in the UK. Is that BS as well?

Tommy Robinson also said he was next to the Mosque. I guess everybody else is lying then?

Look at the way you are posting, TR said this, TR said that, TR did this.

 

[singers_pore]

I pointed out that it was BS about it being a high risk prison full of Extremists because it isn't.

I pointed out that the guards would have had to make sure nothing wrong with his food because they would.

I pointed out he was under protection and got special treatment because he did.

This is where you are believing the spin...

It's nonsense like this:

Only 30%? You think that’s a small figure? It’s about ten times the % of Muslim males in Britain.

 

[Skybluefaz]

The copper was off duty and in plain clothes. As far as TR knew when the incident occurred he was being assaulted by a member of the public who was intervening in an argument he was having with his missus. He denies assaulting her as he said it was a verbal row.

Oh the convicted fraudster denies it. Must be gospel then. Ffs.

 

[Nick]

Only 30%? You think that’s a small figure? It’s about ten times the % of Muslim males in Britain.

The bloke was under protection and got special treatment for god sake.

It's a prison for people from London and that area , if more people are muslim then that's why. It isn't full of islam extremists like you tried to make out or somewhere they are sent because of that to try and farm them all together or anything, a big chunk of them won't be proper muslims anyway

I notice you are going to ignore the stuff about the Mosque....

 

[singers_pore]

The bloke was under protection and got special treatment for god sake.

It's a prison for people from London and that area , if more people are muslim then that's why. It isn't full of islam extremists like you tried to make out, a big chunk of them won't be proper muslims anyway

I notice you are going to ignore the stuff about the Mosque....

I agree the term Mosque was incorrect. I never said he was next to a Mosque. So no BS from me.

Where’s your evidence that the Muslims in Onley are not extremists? Approximately 50% of British Muslims hold views that I would regard as extreme. So a prison with a high pct of Muslims will also have a high pct of Muslim extremists.

Again, you haven’t shown that I have said anything incorrect.

 

[skybluetony176]

Only 30%? You think that’s a small figure? It’s about ten times the % of Muslim males in Britain.

That means 70% are non Muslim so Muslims are still the minority. It’s also consistant with where he is from. He was probably safer in prison than his own home.

 

[singers_pore]

Oh the convicted fraudster denies it. Must be gospel then. Ffs.

I never said it was Gospel. One has to evaluate the reliability of the source. From everything I’ve read TR is a more reliable source than the MSM. That doesn’t mean I take everything he says as being true. That’s why I stated that it was his version. I didn’t state it as fact because I haven’t seen any independent evidence to corroborate his story.

 

[Nick]

I agree the term Mosque was incorrect. I never said he was next to a Mosque. So no BS from me.

Where’s your evidence that the Muslims in Onley are not extremists? Approximately 50% of British Muslims hold views that I would regard as extreme. So a prison with a high pct of Muslims will also have a high pct of Muslim extremists.

Again, you haven’t shown that I have said anything incorrect.

No it wasn't incorrect, it was a lie they have put out.

I have never said none are extreme, there's no doubt there will be a percentage of them that hold extreme views but that's a million miles away from:

He requested solitary because he was put in a high risk prison full of Islamic extremists.

It isn't a high risk prison, it is Cat C. It also wasn't high risk for him as he was under protection.

The prison population including muslims is much higher than the normal population across the prison service. It still wasn't "full of islamic extremists" as the vast majority aren't muslim. It is a prison for London prisoners and people from down that way, is the muslim population not higher there?

 

[singers_pore]

That means 70% are non Muslim so Muslims are still the minority. It’s also consistant with where he is from. He was probably safer in prison than his own home.

You simply discredit your own argument when you resort to ridiculous hyperbole.

 

[singers_pore]

No it wasn't incorrect, it was a lie they have put out.

I have never said none are extreme, there's no doubt there will be a percentage of them that hold extreme views but that's a million miles away from:



It isn't a high risk prison, it is Cat C. It also wasn't high risk for him as he was under protection.

The prison population including muslims is much higher than the normal population across the prison service. It still wasn't "full of islamic extremists" as the vast majority aren't muslim.

I said it was high risk because it has an abnormally large pct of Muslims. I’m well aware it’s a Cat C prison. He was put in solitary for his own protection because it was high risk.

 

[skybluetony176]

You simply discredit your own argument when you resort to ridiculous hyperbole.

At the end of the day his cell was 100% non Muslim. To suggest that he was under threat to people who couldn’t get anywhere near him is a nonsense. He’s more likely to be attacked in the street or indeed his own home. That’s not a hyperbole that’s a fact.

 

[Nick]

I said it was high risk because it has an abnormally large pct of Muslims. I’m well aware it’s a Cat C prison. He was put in solitary for his own protection because it was high risk.

No, you said it was full of Islamic Extremists. There is a bit of a difference.

He was under protection because he wanted it, there are loads of muslims in every prison and it only takes 1 or 2 to do a job on him so the percentage is irrelevant and being used to exaggerate and spin. Didn't he get a kickin in a prison where the muslim population was 15%?

I am pointing out to you where the spin is and the exaggeration, it's the same as them saying that his cell was next to the mosque....

I notice all of the headlines now are Robinson comparing it to Guantanamo Bay, I wonder who put that idea in his head? That guy I heard interview him as soon as he came out made sure it was in his head

 

[skybluetony176]

I said it was high risk because it has an abnormally large pct of Muslims. I’m well aware it’s a Cat C prison. He was put in solitary for his own protection because it was high risk.

He was put in solitary at his own request. He also didn’t only have a mattress. The prison doesn’t hold extremist. You talk about people discrediting their own arguments and repeat shit that’s going around like no one has never been in solitary in prison before or knows someone who has that can discredit the shit you’ve been spouting.

 

[Nick]

I also like the "the muslims abused me and shouted things at him" in prison.

The prison guards get that shit every day from all different religions as do other prisoners, it isn't specific to just him.

 

[singers_pore]

No, you said it was full of Islamic Extremists. There is a bit of a difference.

He was under protection because he wanted it, there are loads of muslims in every prison and it only takes 1 or 2 to do a job on him so the percentage is irrelevant and being used to exaggerate and spin. Didn't he get a kickin in a prison where the muslim population was 15%?

I am pointing out to you where the spin is and the exaggeration, it's the same as them saying that his cell was next to the mosque....

I notice all of the headlines now are Robinson comparing it to Guantanamo Bay, I wonder who put that idea in his head? That guy I heard interview him as soon as he came out made sure it was in his head

Fine. Instead of saying “full of extremists” I should have said “abnormally high pct of Muslims who, based on population surveys, show a remarkably high proclivity to extremist views”. Happy now?

You are the biggest spin master on here. When he emerged from prison looking gaunt your first reaction was that he should have spent time in the gym. If I chased you and others on here about every piece of spin I’d have to make this a FT job.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I also like the "the muslims abused me and shouted things at him" in prison.

The prison guards get that shit every day from all different religions as do other prisoners, it isn't specific to just him.

Snowflakes, all of them

 

[skybluetony176]

Fine. Instead of saying “full of extremists” I should have said “abnormally high pct of Muslims who, based on population surveys

It reflects the Muslim population of the catchment area of the prison. Funnily enough that’s where he’s from.

 

[Nick]

Fine. Instead of saying “full of extremists” I should have said “abnormally high pct of Muslims who, based on population surveys

Don't you think the percentage think is being focused on to try and make it about muslims? the same as the mosque thing.

It only takes 1 or 2 muslims to kick the shit out of him whether he is in prison or walking to the shop. He had a beating in a prison with a much lower rate.

Whichever prison he went to would have muslims, he happened to go to the cat c prison which caters for where he lives (which also happens to have a high rate of muslims). He's from Luton where there is also a abnormally high pct of muslims.

 

[skybluetony176]

I also like the "the muslims abused me and shouted things at him" in prison.

The prison guards get that shit every day from all different religions as do other prisoners, it isn't specific to just him.

They all get it from each other too. Prisons by their very nature are tribal. The only thing that would have been unusual is if he wasn’t given abuse from someone he himself views as an enemy. It’s faux outrage to pretend otherwise.

 

[singers_pore]

It reflects the Muslim population of the catchment area of the prison. Funnily enough that’s where he’s from.

The prison is located near Rugby you dumbass.

 

[singers_pore]

Don't you think the percentage think is being focused on to try and make it about muslims? the same as the mosque thing.

It only takes 1 or 2 muslims to kick the shit out of him whether he is in prison or walking to the shop. He had a beating in a prison with a much lower rate.

Whichever prison he went to would have muslims, he happened to go to the cat c prison which caters for where he lives (which also happens to have a high rate of muslims). He's from Luton where there is also a abnormally high pct of muslims.

I think the Muslim thing is being focused on because he is more likely to be attacked by a Muslim prisoner than a non-Muslim prisoner.

 

[Nick]

They all get it from each other too. Prisons by their very nature are tribal. The only thing that would have been unusual is if he wasn’t given abuse from someone he himself views as an enemy. It’s faux outrage to pretend otherwise.

It's blown up as torture because somebody shouted threats to him about throwing acid at his wife.

Prison officers get worse because they won't let them stay out of their cell a bit later or want go and get them something they want. Another fact.

 

[Nick]

The prison is located near Rugby you dumbass.

I don't really agree with Tony on much, but he has done you a treat there.

 

[Nick]

I think the Muslim thing is being focused on because he is more likely to be attacked by a Muslim prisoner than a non-Muslim prisoner.

He's also more likely to be attacked by a muslim walking down the street isn't he?

It's being focused on because they want it to be made about it being done on purpose to torture him.

The same as how the nasty muslims targetted him with threats, spare a thought to the prison staff who get that all day, every day.

 

[skybluetony176]

The prison is located near Rugby you dumbass.

It doesn’t serve the Midlands. It serves Greater London, Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire. Soon to change to East Anglia I believe. The locations of prisons are irrelevant to the area they serve. Always been that way always will.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

At least I know why the houses around there are cheap now...

Always thought living next to a prison would be the place to be, as anybody trying to escape would run as far away from you as possible. Forgot about the circus that follows certain prisoners...