JP heading out on loan (12 Viewers)

[Grendel]

He is a natural goalscorer. I think you know exactly what I mean by that.

JCH isn't a natural goalscorer. Biamou isn't a natural goalscorer. Bakayoko isn't a natural goalscorer.

McNulty was. McGoldrick was. Think you know exactly what I mean. It's a instinct thing and a natural finisher thing.

Don’t see how that has been apparent at all - Mcgoldrick wasn’t a penalty box finisher either

 

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[Ccfcisparks]

Don’t see how that has been apparent at all - Mcgoldrick wasn’t a penalty box finisher either

McGoldrick scored 76% of his goals for us from inside the box.

 

[covcity4life]

McGoldrick scored 76% of his goals for us from inside the box.

was called mcgoaldraught before he joined though

 

[GaryJones]

I think Mark Robins and AV will work with Bakayoko and turn him into one of our top scorers by the seasons end.
Walsall hardly ever work at developing players (other than Tom Bradshaw) - I think we might reap the benefit over the course of the season.
I remember everyone slagging McNulty off this time last season.
Trust me you heard it here first!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

and turn him into one of our top scorers by the seasons end.

tbf, he's currently one of our top scorers...

 

[Ash]

I think Mark Robins and AV will work with Bakayoko and turn him into one of our top scorers by the seasons end.
Walsall hardly ever work at developing players (other than Tom Bradshaw) - I think we might reap the benefit over the course of the season.
I remember everyone slagging McNulty off this time last season.
Trust me you heard it here first!

They may improve his knowledge of the offside rule, but not his ability as a striker.

Even when McNulty wasn’t firing last season, you could see his all round play was geared towards him being a good forward at the level we were at, it just wasn’t going in for him at the start.

I don’t see any of that being replicated with Bakayoko, he looks awful!


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[Grendel]

McGoldrick scored 76% of his goals for us from inside the box.

Still doesn’t show him as an instinctive finisher but is interesting as it means 14.44 goals were scored in the penalty area

Where is the source for that?

 

[Otis]

If Robins is saying that Bakayoko is a better player than Ponticelli then I fucking give up.

Bakayoko will turn out to me one of our worst signings ever. I though Vincenti was a terrible signing but Bakayoko takes it to another level.

I can’t believe Robins signed Bakayoko and must have had him pushed on him. That’s the only excuse I can think of? It’s like going out with 10 men and were handicapped straight away with him. No wonder players get pissed off with Bakayoko in the starting 11.

Before anyone asks no I’m not a fan of him!

What makes you say players are pissed off the Bakayoko in the starting 11? Where's that come from? Never heard anyone else mention that as a possible rumour.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

So we give him an easy ride then but not others because “he’s one of our own”?:emoji_thinking:

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong but it happens.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I think Mark Robins and AV will work with Bakayoko and turn him into one of our top scorers by the seasons end.
Walsall hardly ever work at developing players (other than Tom Bradshaw) - I think we might reap the benefit over the course of the season.
I remember everyone slagging McNulty off this time last season.
Trust me you heard it here first!

That would be a miracle there is more chance of him walking on water

 

[GaryJones]

They may improve his knowledge of the offside rule, but not his ability as a striker.

Even when McNulty wasn’t firing last season, you could see his all round play was geared towards him being a good forward at the level we were at, it just wasn’t going in for him at the start.

I don’t see any of that being replicated with Bakayoko, he looks awful!


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He is big 6ft 4" I think and he is quick - I agree his positioning is all over the place right now but that can be coached out - have faith in AV as he is one of the best coaches outside the Premier League.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

He is big 6ft 4" I think and he is quick - I agree his positioning is all over the place right now but that can be coached out - have faith in AV as he is one of the best coaches outside the Premier League.

Not sure finishing can be coached that easily

 

[IrishSkyBlue]

I think MR should give him a go saturday and see how he does but maybe a loan would help him develop, could be banging them in by january and we can recall him then if we ar ein dire straights.

 

[ceetee]

Not sure finishing can be coached that easily

I think you can improve, but what you can't coach is the instinct of being in the right place at the right time. You can learn to be better but it won't be instinctive.

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

It's absolute madness how everyone is so frothing at the mouth about how bad Bakayoko is. It's like the more aggressive in their assessment of him, the more they can high five and pat themselves on the back if he turns out to be a shit signing. His performance against Blackpool was poor to say the least, but it's ONE game, in a performance where Shipley, Doyle, Ogogo and many others were equally dreadful. Stop getting so bloody pent up and angry about a City player. Give the lad a few games to settle in, and stop blaming him for us not being in the playoffs because you're disappointed Robins didn't sign another striker you've never seen before.

 

[coop]

He deserves a decent chance in the first alongside another striker but if we on going to continue playing this shit formation and not even creating a chance then the lad should be sent out and given a chance to shine somewhere else.It's also time Michael Doyle got left out as his legs are not good enough for league 1 leaving a space for a more creative player in there.

 

[stupot07]

I think Mark Robins and AV will work with Bakayoko and turn him into one of our top scorers by the seasons end.
Walsall hardly ever work at developing players (other than Tom Bradshaw) - I think we might reap the benefit over the course of the season.
I remember everyone slagging McNulty off this time last season.
Trust me you heard it here first!

Sorry, but that's bollocks.

I will give bakayoko a chance, but j just don't believe he's good enough or more importantly the right player. I hope he goes on to score 20 goals, as that will mean we have a decent signing I'm fed up of the McNulty comparison, he scored goals at Livingstone and at Portsmouth, and i was one of those sticking up for him, i could see he had a touch or class and was getting in the right areas. Ive not seen that from baka's and looking back his record is poor.

We all thought Kevin kyle was shite when we signed him to replace Sheffers goals....

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[GaryJones]

Sorry that's bollocks.

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Apology accepted!
I'm glad you are prepared to give him a chance as I'm sure he will come good.

 

[hill83]

Still doesn’t show him as an instinctive finisher but is interesting as it means 14.44 goals were scored in the penalty area

Where is the source for that?

That 0.44 goal he scored was an absolute belter. I was in tears.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

He isn't the same sort of player as Biamou though so in theory we can't chuck him in and expect him to do the same thing now Biamou is injured. He is the sort of player that would thrive from playing alongside Biamou.

Didn't stop us with Bakayoko, Nick!

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Change 'goalscorer' to 'finisher' and I'd agree with his comment.

I'd agree but he scored a blinder from outside the box last season. It was like a perfect golf shot onto the green, dipping and swerving it's way over the defenders and beyond the 'keepers reach...thought he deserved a run after that but he's not a winger and that was the only way into the side last year with Biamou-McNulty working up top.

 

[sw88]

Surely we need all hands on deck when it comes to players playing up front right now, unless we have someone lined up?

Or will we do another ‘mcdonald’ and let one player go without replacing them first?

As frustrating as it must be Chaplin, Pompey might be right in not letting him go before they replace him!

 

[cc84cov]

Can’t see this happening with Max now out unless Robins will be bringing someone in...

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

I'd agree but he scored a blinder from outside the box last season. It was like a perfect golf shot onto the green, dipping and swerving it's way over the defenders and beyond the 'keepers reach...thought he deserved a run after that but he's not a winger and that was the only way into the side last year with Biamou-McNulty working up top.

I'd still say that qualifies him as a great finisher rather than a goalscorer. Most strikers at one point in their career can score a screamer. That doesn't necessarily qualify them as a goalscorer, or a great finisher for that matter. Look at Biamou as a case in point - scores great goals but isn't a goalscorer. Goalscorer's bare the title because they have a career record to back that title up. Doesn't really matter the type or quality of goal he scored, Ponti only scored 6 goals last season.

 

[Covstu]

He isn’t getting games so I think he needs to go out on loan however I think he has something to offer and will be a mistake. Not sure if he is a poor trainer so doesn’t ‘deserve’ a start but still think he is our best chance of goals this season but maybe 3 months at Tranmere might highlight this to MR

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Surely we need all hands on deck when it comes to players playing up front right now, unless we have someone lined up?

Or will we do another ‘mcdonald’ and let one player go without replacing them first?

As frustrating as it must be Chaplin, Pompey might be right in not letting him go before they replace him!

For me, Ponticelli needs game time. Whether it be with us or out on loan, 20m cameos will stunt his development. Personally, I’d be tempted to give him a go upfront. However, if Robins doesn’t feel he’s ready, a loan to L2 and a few goals at senior level will force him back into the picture with us.

The lads needs quality game time or we’ll waste his talent.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I think you can improve, but what you can't coach is the instinct of being in the right place at the right time. You can learn to be better but it won't be instinctive.

Part is practice but a lot comes naturally and the instinct is with you as you say he has neither unfortunately.

 

[Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit]

Agree totally, last season first game (Notts County 3-0!!)McNulty looked a different class even though we waited an age for him to start scoring.

Saying that, I also said that about Rod McDonald.....

For me a dream scenario this season would have been Biamou working his arse off as he did almost every game last season, banging in the occasional 25 yard screamer and overhead kick, coupled with a McNulty/Chaplin/Future Ponticelli type.

We need to accept we aren’t there and won’t be, systems are changing, players such as Andreu & Jones coming back along with new signings hopefully coming good give us the opportunity to build and push on. So many changes were never going to be easy, we can criticise Robins all day long for too many changes to the team (I think only 3 on the play off final team started at Wimbledon) but if we sacrifice performance for the first 5-10 games to have a good run and challenge for play offs I can live with that.

They may improve his knowledge of the offside rule, but not his ability as a striker.

Even when McNulty wasn’t firing last season, you could see his all round play was geared towards him being a good forward at the level we were at, it just wasn’t going in for him at the start.

I don’t see any of that being replicated with Bakayoko, he looks awful!


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ee total

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I think Mark Robins and AV will work with Bakayoko and turn him into one of our top scorers by the seasons end.
Walsall hardly ever work at developing players (other than Tom Bradshaw) - I think we might reap the benefit over the course of the season.
I remember everyone slagging McNulty off this time last season.
Trust me you heard it here first!

Bradshaw was already quality as a kid at Aberystwyth, was always going to be a player (they're my second team 'cos I want to move there one day!).

Coleman: Bradshaw Call Up Shows There is a Pathway for WPL Players

 

[Ccfcisparks]

W

Still doesn’t show him as an instinctive finisher but is interesting as it means 14.44 goals were scored in the penalty area

Where is the source for that?

Watch his goals on Youtube

 

[Skybluefaz]

What a load of cobblers that “natural goalscorer” theory is. Where are the goals then?

Come on. He's been prolific at all junior levels. He's a penalty box goalscorer. Whilst he's not yet been prolific at first team level we can all see that he gets himself into the right positions and has chipped in when he's been given a chance.

 

[cc84cov]

The lad hasn’t been given a chance an when he has it’s 20 mins playing left midfield..our problem is creativity with 2 holding players I just can’t see ya creating enough for who ever is up front

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I'd still say that qualifies him as a great finisher rather than a goalscorer. Most strikers at one point in their career can score a screamer. That doesn't necessarily qualify them as a goalscorer, or a great finisher for that matter. Look at Biamou as a case in point - scores great goals but isn't a goalscorer. Goalscorer's bare the title because they have a career record to back that title up. Doesn't really matter the type or quality of goal he scored, Ponti only scored 6 goals last season.

I think he had the best minutes per goal ratio at the club didn't he? It was certainly better than McNulty's at one stage. He barely started and usually when he did it was out wide.

Robins waxed lyrical at times about what a natural goalscorer he is, just needed to learn the other parts of the game. He's hungry for goals, his first thought is "how can I score". Like Micky Quinn, he might miss a few, but he'll get chances and take shots that other forwards don't.

The long range screamer I spoke about wasn't just a hit it and hope, it was a work of art in the discipline of scoring a goal. Calculated, cool, outrageous and clinical. Here's what Robins said about him afterwards: Mark Robins hails Coventry City hero Jordan Ponticelli

 

[shmmeee]

Come on. He's been prolific at all junior levels. He's a penalty box goalscorer. Whilst he's not yet been prolific at first team level we can all see that he gets himself into the right positions and has chipped in when he's been given a chance.

I'd argue about him not being prolific TBF.

Here's his stats from last season (if Im reading transfermarkt properly, which isn't a given)

League (Inc playoffs): Minutes: 541 (6 game equivalents) Goals: 3 Ratio: 2 game equivalents per goal.

Cups: Minutes: 161 (1.79 game equivalents) Goals: 3 Ratio: 0.6 game equivalents per goal.

Overall: 702 minutes (7.8 games) to 6 goals, a goal every 1.3 games.

Sure the sample size is small and easily skewed, but he can only work with what he's given and that's pretty prolific.

I'd say the kid deserves his chance.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

He isn’t getting games so I think he needs to go out on loan however I think he has something to offer and will be a mistake. Not sure if he is a poor trainer so doesn’t ‘deserve’ a start but still think he is our best chance of goals this season but maybe 3 months at Tranmere might highlight this to MR

Maybe like McSheffrey at Luton? But like McSheffrey, he was already good enough, actually...