No. I am trying to work out if you mean the Euro is too strong because of the Germans, or too weak because of the poorer countries? It is the same as 2002 against the dollar. The poorer countries wanted a strong stable currency to get access to cheap credit to improve their countries. According to you, there are poorer countries queuing up to get in to be exploited by Germany. Why?
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No. I am trying to work out if you mean the Euro is too strong because of the Germans, or too weak because of the poorer countries? It is the same as 2002 against the dollar. The poorer countries wanted a strong stable currency to get access to cheap credit to improve their countries. According to you, there are poorer countries queuing up to get in to be exploited by Germany. Why?
As far as YouGov is concerned, I cannot see a direct question. More think that it was wrong to leave, than say that it was right.
Astute
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Dumbed it down for me now?
Have a word.
You still haven't come out with the reasoning for bringing it up. You went very quiet and tried muddying the water once I pointed out that it all happened while we were in the EU.
Astute
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The majority think it would be wrong to stay in.
Astute
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How did you miss this bit?
However, just because people think Brexit is the wrong decision, it doesn’t necessarily mean they think it should be reversed. They do not. When we ask what people think the government should do about leaving the EU, just over half (53%) think that it should go ahead with Brexit, mostly on its current course (42%) though 11% would prefer a softer Brexit. A fifth (21%) think that the government should call a fresh referendum instead, while 13% would prefer them just to halt Brexit altogether.
skybluetony176
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Here’s the link again The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... 3:01pm. Still not changed my mind.
Maybe if you read it enough times the penny will drop. I won’t be holding my breath though.
Grendel
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Astute
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So what was the point of your post?
Astute
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YouGov says the majority still want Brexit to happen. Why else do you think he has stopped posting?
skybluetony176
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YouGov is one. It says more think that it was wrong to leave. The Independent has other polls. I’ll look later.
I stopped posting because I was watching a film with the missus.
Brexit: UK would now vote 54-46 to stay in EU, new poll suggests
Other polls suggest a second vote or an election based on any deal or no deal or remain. But you know that.
Did you answer my 7;43 post? I may have missed it because I was watching a film. About a nun and a policeman... long story.
Theee is a difference between wanting it to happen and accepting that it will happen.
Grendel
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BMG lol
Astute
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So how about this comment from YouGov?
However, just because people think Brexit is the wrong decision, it doesn’t necessarily mean they think it should be reversed. They do not. When we ask what people think the government should do about leaving the EU, just over half (53%) think that it should go ahead with Brexit, mostly on its current course (42%) though 11% would prefer a softer Brexit. A fifth (21%) think that the government should call a fresh referendum instead, while 13% would prefer them just to halt Brexit altogether.
Astute
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Let me get this right.
People that say they still want it to happen isn't people wanting it to happen in your view?
No. I am saying most accept that it will probably happen. Even I come under that category. But, I don’t want it to happen.
This is a collection of 34 polls:
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/
53% in this poll. Not conclusive. Other polls say a small majority would vote remain, if asked. A small majority think we made the wrong decision.
Do you think a no deal, in the unlikely event that it comes to that, is preferable to remain? The economy is doing well, even with uncertainty, and we have low unemployment whilst in the EU. Biggest problem is distribution of wealth and differences in regional prosperity. Nothing to do with the EU, but which caused Brexit. IMO. People blamed the migrants for the failings of government.
An alternative to the present situation is, according to Moody’s:
No-deal Brexit could tip UK into recession, warns Moody's
Would you take a recession with no guarantee of being any better off after it, as an alternative to the present economic situation? Or vote remain as opposed to no deal in a second referendum?
SkyblueBazza
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Rarely matters what the surveys nor experts say really. They get it wrong often enough to have no major credibility imo.
The one poll that mattered has been done. We are leaving the EU...unless some conspire to stop it & risk major constitutional debate & probable disorder, a big rise in far-right popularity, or at least greater antipathy towards politics & politicians.
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Astute
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Wasn't it you that mentioned YouGov first and then missed this large comment that they had made?
I am surprised that 42% want negotiations to carry on as they are.
Astute
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The main word is 'could'
We all know that. We 'could' or 'might' 'if' there is no deal.
Or how about this part of the article?
The ratings agency said it was not a foregone conclusion that Britain’s creditworthiness would be damaged by a no-deal Brexit, should the government take sufficient steps to cushion the blow from leaving without a deal.
So who doesn't want there to be a deal?
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Sick Boy
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It would only happen if there was clear evidence that there is support for it, which we do certainly seem to be moving towards.
I agree though that it would lead to a backlash from certain sections of the population.
And yeah, experts know nothing at all, do they? Let's just discard whatever they say.
Astute
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Not discarded. Just not taken as gospel. These same experts didn't see the credit crunch. They saw the unemployment rate shooting up and house prices crashing if we voted leave. Yet the opposite happened. They said the years of boom and bust were finished.....Just before it all came crashing down.
So no I don't believe every word they say.
Conspire? A majority thinks Brexit was the wrong decision. That is not a conspiracy.
Yes, there are ifs and buts, but they are not expecting a positive result as best case, just a cushioned disaster. I think there will be a deal. Rees Mogg and co would take a no deal though according to him.
If we had remained, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Life would be going on without this uncertainty. You would be moaning about Juncker and Farage would be insulting MEPs, but life would go on. Business would continue investing. Supply chains would be guaranteed. And, maybe, Parliament would be dealing with the problems of those left behind in the poorer regions- which is being neglected by all the Brexit discussions. What a mess.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
We haven't even left yet, only then will we see the full impact.
I'm hoping to secure a future of cheap Peroni in the coming days
We haven't even left yet, only then will we see the full impact.
I'm hoping to secure a future of cheap Peroni in the coming days
My Newcastle is being brewed in Amsterdam and my Strongbow comes from Belgium ( it has for years - nothing to do with Brexit). So, I shall survive. I can get Gin at the duty free - which may have to come back.
Grendel
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You do know why the poll you produced is funny don’t you?
SIR ERNIE
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Yep, makes you wonder why we bother with the tedious process of voting doesn’t it Mart?
Bollox to the democratic process, much easier to commission a few organisations to conduct a poll, take an average and job’s done.
As long as we get the right answer that is.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
If it appears that there is a clear majority in favour of a second vote, then surely to deny people the vote is anything but democratic?