Coventry vs Wycombe - player ratings (16 Viewers)

[Covstu]

But this outcome was predicted by several (including me). He's 37, and was never that good. But he clearly has leadership qualities that nobody else in the team has - altho' Davies might do

If it wasnt for Doyle we wouldn’t have got promoted in my opinion, we had a spell when he was out of the team and we were useless. I would like Ogogo was the logical replacement for him this season and due to his age we will probably see a change of the guard after Christmas

 

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[sylus]

Not a single draw in league one yesterday,you either won or you lost,luckily we won and deservedly.
My ratings..
Burge-7- had a good game done what was needed to do when called upon.
Sterling-8- great game,and assist MOTM.
Willis- 7- solid performance as usual
Davies-7- like Willis had a solid game,
Brown-6.5- not a bad game.
Thomas-7- i like him,but his end product can let him down a bit
Bayliss-6- Whats up with him,he doesn't seem interested,i would like to see him more advanced attacking and having strikes on goal,13 games in he should of scored by now.
Doyle-6.5- not a bad game,but not great either,i don't think he always needs to be in the side every game,and his set pieces,let someone else have a go,please
Hiwula-7- had a good game,worked hard,on another day could of got a goal
Chaplin -7- nice goal, he was busy as usual and worked tirelessly
Clarke-Harris-7- he worked hard,but without really shining,
Subs..not on long enough to make any impact,should of been brought on sooner in my opinion.

 

[Esoterica]

If it wasnt for Doyle we wouldn’t have got promoted in my opinion, we had a spell when he was out of the team and we were useless. I would like Ogogo was the logical replacement for him this season and due to his age we will probably see a change of the guard after Christmas

Doyle was instrumental in last season's promotion but the standard was a league below and we had many players come into that team through the season, with no previous football league experience (e.g. Biamou, Hyam, Shipley, Bayliss) who he helped immensely but now have a season in men's football under their belt with other more experienced additions to the squad.

That spell when Doyle was out and we were poor has turned into urban legend and the run of results seems to have been chalked up to missing Doyle but there was so many other influential factors. Partly it's been built up to be much more than it was because it coincided with the disappointment of the performance in front of a massive home gate against Accrington and then the FA cup exit to Brighton.

In addition, in the previous game at FGR we lost Davies with a broken collar bone and Grimmer to a hamstring tweak - for me, the real defining moments of those back to back losses.

It was then 3 games without Doyle - lost 0-2 to Accrington, by far the best team in the league, with a visibly unfit Kelly who'd been rushed back to cover Doyle's knock, a completely new look defence and then on the back foot immediately after Dion Kelly-Evan's mistake at RB after 5 mins. Not to mention the woeful 45 minutes from Maguire-Drew before he was subbed off at halftime (never to start again?)

Then we lost 2-1 to Colchester with probably the worst XI creatively we'd put out all season:
Burge
Willis, Hyam, McDonald, Stokes
Vincenti, Bayliss, Kelly, Shipley
McNulty Biamou
3 CBs in a back 4 which include Stokes and 4 CMs across the midfield. The lack of pace in that team was chronic. McDonald's performances were on the decline at that point, he and Hyam not very suited as a pairing (see Yeovil), Willis struggling technically with the ball going forward at RB, Vincenti in front of him brought back out the blue. Shipley and Stokes offering little threat on the other flank and a still struggling Kelly in the middle. While Robins left our only naturally attacking wide player, Kyel Reid, on the bench until the 92nd minute.

Final game was Brighton and hopes there were higher than reality after the Stoke and MK Dons games.

That spell was of course made harder by missing Doyle but it's banded about as one of the reasons he's undroppable this season however it's a tip of the iceberg (and lazy) argument that ignores the far weightier issues that were happening at the time.

 

[Otis]

Seems there is a general consensus of views on yesterday's games and no real wild differentials.

Nice for a change.

The main bones of contention seem to be Bayliss and Doyle, but no-one is wildly out I don't think.

I don't think anyone played particularly badly yesterday, but if we did have to focus on any weakest links it would be this pair.

Bayliss seemed to flit in and out of the game and Doyle wasn't as influential in the middle of the park either.

Wycombe were poor yesterday though. After Plymouth, surely the worst side we've faced aren't they?

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

I thought Doyle did ok yesterday considering he was alongside Bayliss in the middle. Whenever the two of them play together in the middle people moan about Doyle;s contribution. He does the donkey work, more so when he's with Bayliss. As for his set piece delivery, we alomost scored from 2 or 3 yesterday. He found JCH as few times who won headers and knock downs.

 

[Otis]

Yeah, but not sure he was doing the donkey work very well yesterday.

 

[Adge]

I love the use of ‘at last’ here. He’s played 12 professional games, and of that his last 5 or so have been really good performances. At last that 18 year old had put his first 7 indifferent (not bad) professional performances behind him, been such a gruelling wait, we’ve been so patient.


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Ah the old “18 years old” gets used again as if it’s a free pass if a player doesn’t perform.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I don’t mind Doyle taking some free kicks but not every one when it’s a simple pass to another player. It’s also pointless him playing centre back when we have two ball playing defenders and in Davies a much better long passer than he is.

We played well yesterday but should have won 3-4 nil. You still only get 3 points though

 

[Gibbo]

Seems there is a general consensus of views on yesterday's games and no real wild differentials.

Nice for a change.

The main bones of contention seem to be Bayliss and Doyle, but no-one is wildly out I don't think.

I don't think anyone played particularly badly yesterday, but if we did have to focus on any weakest links it would be this pair.

Bayliss seemed to flit in and out of the game and Doyle wasn't as influential in the middle of the park either.

Wycombe were poor yesterday though. After Plymouth, surely the worst side we've faced aren't they?

The polls haven't closed yet on this week's player ratings but the "exit poll" indicates that the two weakest players yesterday were Doyle and Bayliss (Doyle just shaded it as the worst) So we don't have a midfield problem so much as a central midfield one.
To re-enforce that, since the season started (inc Oxford in the Cup), our central midfield - however constructed - has averaged a player rating of 5.8. The average is for all players all games 6.1. Bear in mind some players like O'Brien Shipley, Bayayoko and Sterling (version 1) have had scores of 2,3, and 4 in games bringing down the overall average.

 

[sylus]

Our central midfield pairing of Doyle and Bayliss,the things is ,Doyle is past it slow and predictable who should be not be in every game especially at home, maybe he could be used more for away games and at 37 kinda looks out of place in a side which are basically youngsters,but his experience does help us,and as for Bayliss,there is a lot of potential if he can be bothered,no where near his best of what we all know he is capable of,maybe because he seems to deep at times,more advanced role would be nice,he is an attacking midfielder who should be frightening defenders and should be scoring, he isn't.

 

[Speedies_Chips]

Burge - 7- doesn't scare me anymore, and distribution has vastly improved. Oggy out!
Sterling - 8 - has found his feet now and I prefer him to Grimmer
Willis - 8 - complements Davies well
Davies -8 - complements Willis well
Brown - 6 - Still more to come from him I think.
Thomas - 7 - Good first half, not so much in the 2nd. Frustrating. Another Ryan Kent but slightly better
Bayliss - 6 - Not his best game but I still think something good is going to happen when he gets the ball
Doyle - 6 - Terrible corners and free kicks and spent too much time on the left touchline
Hiwula -7- I like the way he makes space for himself to receive the ball
Chaplin - 7 - Good header to score but as others have said, needs to play further up
Clarke-Harris - 7 - I liked his musicality, but needs to work the hips more and step more with the heels.
I don';t think the cha-cha is his dance.

 

[Otis]

Burge - 7- doesn't scare me anymore, and distribution has vastly improved. Oggy out!
Sterling - 8 - has found his feet now and I prefer him to Grimmer
Willis - 8 - complements Davies well
Davies -8 - complements Willis well
Brown - 6 - Still more to come from him I think.
Thomas - 7 - Good first half, not so much in the 2nd. Frustrating. Another Ryan Kent but slightly better
Bayliss - 6 - Not his best game but I still think something good is going to happen when he gets the ball
Doyle - 6 - Terrible corners and free kicks and spent too much time on the left touchline
Hiwula -7- I like the way he makes space for himself to receive the ball
Chaplin - 7 - Good header to score but as others have said, needs to play further up
Clarke-Harris - 7 - I liked his musicality, but needs to work the hips more and step more with the heels.
I don';t think the cha-cha is his dance.

Yeah, Burge used to scare the life out of n, but no I feel comfortable with him in goal.

Big change and so much less jittery.

 

[steve82]

Burge 7
Sterling 7.5
Willis 8
Davies 8.5
Brown 7
Doyle 6.5
Bayliss 5
Thomas 7
Hiwula 7
Chaplin 7
JCH 7

Kelly 4
Bakayoko 4

Tom Davies MOTM for me, commanding leader at the back and distribution was 90% bang on. Sterling showed more of what he’s about and had the confidence to get in behind once to deliver a quality cross for us to score from. Similar desire and application that gave JCH his goal against Sunderland. I want to see more of this.
Doyle was steady and did what we know him to do, the greater disappointment for me was Tom Bayliss.
Yes he’s young but for me he needs a rest. Ineffective and anonymous for too much of the game and for over a month now if we’re honest. L1 is a step up for him and it’s showing currently.


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[Otis]

Burge 7
Sterling 7.5
Willis 8
Davies 8.5
Brown 7
Doyle 6.5
Bayliss 5
Thomas 7
Hiwula 7
Chaplin 7
JCH 7

Kelly 4
Bakayoko 4

Tom Davies MOTM for me, commanding leader at the back and distribution was 90% bang on. Sterling showed more of what he’s about and had the confidence to get in behind once to deliver a quality cross for us to score from. Similar desire and application that gave JCH his goal against Sunderland. I want to see more of this.
Doyle was steady and did what we know him to do, the greater disappointment for me was Tom Bayliss.
Yes he’s young but for me he needs a rest. Ineffective and anonymous for too much of the game and for over a month now if we’re honest. L1 is a step up for him and it’s showing currently.


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Some lovely interplay though from Bayliss for that Hiwula chance in the first half. Nice one two and through ball.

 

[Gibbo]

Right, here's the summary of everybody's ratings against Wycombe

Man of the Match Sterling (very narrowly over Davies)
Dud of the Match Doyle (equally narrowly over Bayliss)

By total ratings awarded, second best performance after Barnsley, marginally better than Gillingham. This seems generous as one act of real skill, by Sterling, bailed us out of a 0-0 that would have brought heaps of recriminations on here. I think Grendel has made a similar point elsewhere

Spot the irony. Bakayoko MoM last week, Sterling this week.
Davies currently rated top player. He has been rated in the top 2 in 4 out of his 6 games, and not too badly in the other two either. But Hyam and Willis also have high scores so there is possibly a bias toward big strong central defenders amongst you
Is Doyle running out of steam? In the 4 of the first 6 games, the central midfield duo were rated better than the average score for the total team. Doyle was even rated MoM against Plymouth. In the last 8 games, the central midfield has been below the average every time. Against Wycombe they were well below 5.7 v 6.9. “Houston we have a problem”

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Although I understand the summary, I thought we were comfortably the better team - and a few better decisions by forward players would/cold have led to a far more comfortable victory. At that point few would have been looking at where weaknesses were. I thought we had a decent shape/game plan yesterday.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

“Houston we have a problem”

Don't worry - Jeremy Konko is on his way to sort it!

 

[torchomatic]

Well the Doyle love lasted one whole season.
It was the same when he was here before. Always got slagged off/was said to be not good enough... yet as soon as we left we miss him.

The 3 game he didn’t play last year we missed him.

Drop him and we will miss him.

Kelly isn’t the same type of player. Robins has come out and said as much.

I think fans are - and quite rightly - pointing out his poor set pieces. We should let a range of players take set pieces not just one.

 

[ccfcway]

By total ratings awarded, second best performance after Barnsley, marginally better than Gillingham. This seems generous as one act of real skill, by Sterling, bailed us out of a 0-0 that would have brought heaps of recriminations on here.

this. if it ended 0-0 Robins would have been heavily criticised for not bring on subs, a striker playing on left wing etc. Very few clear cut chances for us at home to a very poor team. good news is it seems people are becoming a little more patient, which is great

 

[skybluegod]

I think fans are - and quite rightly - pointing out his poor set pieces. We should let a range of players take set pieces not just one.

Well no that’s not what they are pointing out.

Nevertheless I have said I agree about set plays.

I don’t agree with a ‘range of players’ mind you... almost all teams have set play specialists. No point in swapping it around in turns like on primary school

 

[torchomatic]

Well no that’s not what they are pointing out.

Nevertheless I have said I agree about set plays.

I don’t agree with a ‘range of players’ mind you... almost all teams have set play specialists. No point in swapping it around in turns like on primary school

It's not turns like primary school. Depending on where the free kick or set piece is. Doyle is hopeless at them.

 

[skybluegod]

It's not turns like primary school. Depending on where the free kick or set piece is. Doyle is hopeless at them.

Who would you have put on them yesterday?

I think he’s probably the best of the lot of the pitch?

When Shipley and Kelly play they tend to take some depending on the routine.

 

[Nick]

Who would you have put on them yesterday?

I think he’s probably the best of the lot of the pitch?

When Shipley and Kelly play they tend to take some depending on the routine.

Davies on free kicks around half way if we weren't sending defenders up. Thomas on corners

 

[fernandopartridge]

Burge 7
Sterling 7.5
Willis 8
Davies 8.5
Brown 7
Doyle 6.5
Bayliss 5
Thomas 7
Hiwula 7
Chaplin 7
JCH 7

Kelly 4
Bakayoko 4

Tom Davies MOTM for me, commanding leader at the back and distribution was 90% bang on. Sterling showed more of what he’s about and had the confidence to get in behind once to deliver a quality cross for us to score from. Similar desire and application that gave JCH his goal against Sunderland. I want to see more of this.
Doyle was steady and did what we know him to do, the greater disappointment for me was Tom Bayliss.
Yes he’s young but for me he needs a rest. Ineffective and anonymous for too much of the game and for over a month now if we’re honest. L1 is a step up for him and it’s showing currently.


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It's Doyle's fault that Bayliss isn't playing the role he can, Bayliss isn't able to spend as much time in the final 3rd as he's sat in the centre circle covering for Doyle's role as quarter back.

 

[ceetee]

Doyle should be managing his efforts so that he can contribute fully for 90 mins.
He shouldn't take corners as he runs the risk of having to get back into position quickly.
If your wingers can take corners , they should

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'd put Sterling on corners, his crossing is decent

 

[steve82]

It's Doyle's fault that Bayliss isn't playing the role he can, Bayliss isn't able to spend as much time in the final 3rd as he's sat in the centre circle covering for Doyle's role as quarter back.

Sorry, I’m not buying that. The kids a huge talent with a future in the game, however Wycombe lacked any real threat and pace up front so he had the opportunity to get in advanced areas as Willis and Davies had the game under control from the back along with Doyle playing his usual role.

Add that to the fact he’s been missing now in large parts of games for weeks in various positions says it’s not Doyle who is his issue to why he’s off his game currently.

Now I’m not singling Bayliss out as I’m a fan of his and see what good he brings to the side, but we’re not seeing it the last few weeks. Now it’s a big step up to L1 so for me he needs a break and a breather, if JJ was able to impact the starting 11 I’d say MR would be giving him that breather.

Doyle is the smoke screen to point the finger at as the issue, for me he’s not in terms of Tom Bayliss...


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[hill83]

Doyle was instrumental in last season's promotion but the standard was a league below and we had many players come into that team through the season, with no previous football league experience (e.g. Biamou, Hyam, Shipley, Bayliss) who he helped immensely but now have a season in men's football under their belt with other more experienced additions to the squad.

That spell when Doyle was out and we were poor has turned into urban legend and the run of results seems to have been chalked up to missing Doyle but there was so many other influential factors. Partly it's been built up to be much more than it was because it coincided with the disappointment of the performance in front of a massive home gate against Accrington and then the FA cup exit to Brighton.

In addition, in the previous game at FGR we lost Davies with a broken collar bone and Grimmer to a hamstring tweak - for me, the real defining moments of those back to back losses.

It was then 3 games without Doyle - lost 0-2 to Accrington, by far the best team in the league, with a visibly unfit Kelly who'd been rushed back to cover Doyle's knock, a completely new look defence and then on the back foot immediately after Dion Kelly-Evan's mistake at RB after 5 mins. Not to mention the woeful 45 minutes from Maguire-Drew before he was subbed off at halftime (never to start again?)

Then we lost 2-1 to Colchester with probably the worst XI creatively we'd put out all season:
Burge
Willis, Hyam, McDonald, Stokes
Vincenti, Bayliss, Kelly, Shipley
McNulty Biamou
3 CBs in a back 4 which include Stokes and 4 CMs across the midfield. The lack of pace in that team was chronic. McDonald's performances were on the decline at that point, he and Hyam not very suited as a pairing (see Yeovil), Willis struggling technically with the ball going forward at RB, Vincenti in front of him brought back out the blue. Shipley and Stokes offering little threat on the other flank and a still struggling Kelly in the middle. While Robins left our only naturally attacking wide player, Kyel Reid, on the bench until the 92nd minute.

Final game was Brighton and hopes there were higher than reality after the Stoke and MK Dons games.

That spell was of course made harder by missing Doyle but it's banded about as one of the reasons he's undroppable this season however it's a tip of the iceberg (and lazy) argument that ignores the far weightier issues that were happening at the time.

Yeah but

1234

WHOAH WE'VE GOT MICHAEL DOYLE

#DOYLER
#WORLDCLASS
#CHAMPOLEAGUEIN3YEARS

 

[covcity4life]

doyle has been poor recently but i thought he was fine on saturday

 

[Otis]

I'd put Sterling on corners, his crossing is decent

Not so sure about that notion. If you have a right back taking corners from the left you need a real rejig of your formation for that circumstance.

I would have thought Tom Bayliss should be able to deliver a good ball into the box.

 

[ceetee]

Not so sure about that notion. If you have a right back taking corners from the left you need a real rejig of your formation for that circumstance.

I would have thought Tom Bayliss should be able to deliver a good ball into the box.

Agree with your point on Sterling and to amplify my earlier comment about Doyle, I just don't like defensive players taking corners, as it leaves you exposed to quick breaks.

 

[skybluegod]

Davies on free kicks around half way if we weren't sending defenders up. Thomas on corners

Thomas can't deliver a decent cross so what makes you think he can deliver corners?

I think they key thing is that, Robins sees them everyday in training maybes he's the best of a bad bunch..

 

[skybluegod]

I'd put Sterling on corners, his crossing is decent

His crossing on the whole hasn't been that great, he puts in more bad than good crosses. I like him but not his strong point. Barring Saturday of course!!

 

[Nick]

His crossing on the whole hasn't been that great, he puts in more bad than good crosses. I like him but not his strong point. Barring Saturday of course!!

You say Sterling and Thomas can't cross when people are saying Doyle can't take corners or free kicks. Did you see Doyle's attempt at the weekend, the one that nearly cost us a goal from a counter attack?

 

[steve82]

You say Sterling and Thomas can't cross when people are saying Doyle can't take corners or free kicks. Did you see Doyle's attempt at the weekend, the one that nearly cost us a goal from a counter attack?

Set pieces are poor throughout the side, we’ve very limited numbers who could take responsibility with them. Was the same last year with JJ on corners, they were shocking. Kelly was marginally better but not great the same with Shipley.
Even Connor Chaplins effort with the free kick was hitting the wall before he struck it. Tony Andreu is the one who’s the better all rounder on what we’ve seen but needs to play a deeper central role to be considered for selection in my eyes. He’s finally playing that role today for the u23’s