Grendel
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Wow Tony are you Richard Brandon by any chance?
The world doesn’t have any corners by the way - it’s round
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Wow Tony are you Richard Brandon by any chance?
The world doesn’t have any corners by the way - it’s round
SkyblueBazza
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The "Double-Doom" brothers strike again.
You are neither clever, or victorious in the debate with your approach. Just relentlessly sickeningly snide & negative toward anyone who doesn't salivate over the positives you perceive of the EU really.
And it says a lot that that after being tipped off that Mart threw some comment about me being 'thick' in...I sought to find what it was in relation to (which is not especially relevant to the point), then suddenly thought - the man (I use the term loosely) calling me thick is responding to my posts even when he knows I have blocked him?!!!
That makes him significantly thicker than I in my estimation.
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SkyblueBazza
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Just like some on here who offend UK (& no doubt other nations) citizens who have had their lives blighted by policies of your beloved EU.
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skybluetony176
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The saying relates to the four points of a compass. I thought you would know that. Actually I didn’t. Probably why I said it.
SkyblueBazza
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He certainly reportedly has experience of crossing borders in terms of decadence
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skybluetony176
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The point you repeatedly fail to notice is that it isn’t about positivity towards the EU it’s about negativity towards brexit. Not nearly the same thing.
Grendel
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He’s a rich man - it’s why he lives in Rugby
SkyblueBazza
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You don't think he is rich as in he'd like to bid for a football club do you?
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Sick Boy
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Like what?
Still waiting for your examples of rules the UK has that that other EU countries don't offer to their citizens BTW.
skybluetony176
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I’m not rich. Not in monetary terms anyway. I am set up for life though. My guess is you’re the type of person who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing. It’s why you feel the need to brag about things like wages, cars, where you live etc. like they’re important. I pity you if I’m being honest.
SkyblueBazza
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And the exact same can be levelled at the utter cynics, like yourself. Those who are accepting Brexit will happen & the UK will actually make a success out of it in the longer term accept there are negatives in it. They don't need sermons from smug 'experts' such as yourself & those in your tedious links to know there are risks.
We also know that there will be negatives & ripples from Brexit accross the EU short term & somewhat beyond. A no deal is not really imaginable because everyone wants one. There will be this posturing right up to the eleventh hour...it's a bit like transfer deadline day. The red lines/stumbling blocks are the real items being negotiated & will be overcome.
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skybluetony176
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I accept it will happen and I will make the most of it. Don’t buy into the riding of into the sunset scenario though that some are painting. My guess is that for the average man in the street like you and me that day to day we’re going to have a period of shit, ten years at least I recon and then for us things will be no better than before we left. They’ll be no nett gain for us, or our kids. We’ll spend so long mopping up the mess things like the NHS and housing situation still won’t have improved because of years of stagnation and lack of investment from a cash strapped government. Regardless of who the government are. I’m sure the likes of Rees Mogg will be fine though. They’ve made sure of that.
Grendel
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What about Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and their forefathers - Lord Wedgewood Benn and Michael Foot - are they also Rees Mogg types Tony?
Haha... no, it means I can call you out, slag you off and laugh at you without your dumb answers.
skybluetony176
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I think at least two of them are dead so I don’t think brexit is going to effect them.
Grendel
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That’s why I said forefathers Tony
skybluetony176
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So how could they have prepared for brexit? What do you think Corbyn and McDonnell have done to prepare for brexit? Opened an office for their hedge fund in Dublin maybe?
SkyblueBazza
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What...like austerity continued?
We are already living it
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skybluetony176
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Not good is it. Are you looking forward to another ten+ years? Maybe we’ll end up with super austerity or austerity ++.
Yes, not surprising given what he listed as happening with Brexit. He backs his statement up with facts and research. Which is different to it will be alright in 30 years, or we may have to take a hit for 10 years, but we will have blue passports, eat our own fish, and our children won’t be in an EU conscript army stationed in Estonia. Or the best answer to the oncoming disaster: have faith and get behind the country.
The framework provided by the EU.... border mentioned 10 times, but not specifically as a part... but the the framework is part of the EU in that as members on both sides, no border is necessary. Change the framework and you have a problem
SkyblueBazza
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Again...fear based on your own speculation around the scaremongering articles you lap up. Or it might arguably a lot worse than you suggest.
We don't have too much longer to wait before the actual initial impact happens in reality now thank god.
I am so sick of it all - I never thought I would welcome news of a Royal Baby to 'break the record' !
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I see things have got all personal on this thread again. On a side note, old sour face Angela Merkel........it's her and her European dream that is stalling any deal .....you can get that from her body language. Shame though considering her million strong Muslim invasion and the fear of further terrorism was really a big factor in people voting for it in the first place
Captain Dart
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I think he does the same with some of my posts. Comment from ignored member. LOL
Yes. Same thing. ;-)
No, it’s not.
German commentators see it as May and Co making it look as hard fought as possible to cover up having to cross their own red lines.
General opinion is that the deal has been in effect done and we are just going through theatre.
Nothing going on with the million strong invasion and less terrorism in Germany than in the UK. Some people backed the wrong horse out of fear.
Nothing going on.....apart from a significant rise in violent crime attributed to young male immigrants from that said invasion and the corresponding unrest this provokes in a very active right wing movement across Germany. Apart from that alles gut ! .....It has been stated that the crime has not come from the genuine refugees but from all the hangers on who jumped on the band wagon, you know like those cells of ISIS who lie low and then strike when least expected.
Not quite what you say is it. Violent crime the same as 2012 after a couple of years with a bit less.
Fälle von Gewaltkriminalität in Deutschland bis 2017 | Statistik
You believe distorted figures. Because you want to.
From my experience, petty theft ( e.g. shoplifting and pickpocketing ) has gone up, as well as skipping transport fares on a regular basis. Sexual crimes are also up, but not massively. Most of the refugees are young men. This is the group in any society that commits the most violent crime. An increase is to be expected in relation to the numbers.
The ones I don't like or want, are the Nafris ( Nordafrikaner ) who, as you say, jumped on the bandwagon and have nothing to do with Syria.
I don't know what the statistics on sleeper cells are. Probably because, as the name suggests, they are sleeping. I am surprised at your knowledge of
them.
Not a lot going on for an invasion of a million muslims. I am not sitting at home scared stiff of going out. You seem to have got your information from unreliable sources.
The AfD are distorting knife attacks for example. They print maps of Germany saying 'this is what Merkel brought' with all the 'muslim' knife attacks in Germany. They include non muslim knife attacks and refugee on refugee knife attacks in their maps.
The refugee on refugee attacks are disputes in refugee centres, where mainly young men from different countries have to live together in relatively cramped conditions. It is bad, but no threat to Germans.
The Neo Nazis do contradict what I say. That is 'their job'. They also don't mention the rise in attacks on refugees and others from Neo Nazis. Not surprised at all.
Should I speak the same bullshit as the Neo Nazis, then that is when it gets worrying. In my pub I recently had an informal meeting of the SPD and tomorrow is the regular JuLi pub night ( Junge Liberale ). Happy to be of help to them. Sometimes they have members of the state parliament with them. The ex State President (SPD) used to drop in now and again. Plus we even had a visit from the first Muslim Mayor of Coventry in 2007. He only drank mineral water. It was nice of him to drop by on his official visit here.
So, no, apart from the occasional right wing HSV fan, we are a Neo Nazi free and far right free pub.
You, are still welcome any time of course......... ( not accusing you of being either BTW )
Biggest problem is getting them from our prisons back to where they come from. Usually they have thrown away their passports and the countries won't issue new papers, or they take ages to do it. Marocco refuses to take expelled prisoners on Charter planes. But, Merkel has done some sort of a deal and slowly, very slowly, some are being returned to North Africa.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I think everyone can agree it's proving hard to leave the EU.
For me this is part of the reason the whole institution made me feel so uncomfortable in the first place.
I get that many are sceptical of any benifits of leaving, but I hear in response mostly that we can't leave because we cannot survive without the EU.
It shouldnt be like that shoud it?
For me this is part of the reason the whole institution made me feel so uncomfortable in the first place.
I get that many are sceptical of any benifits of leaving, but I hear in response mostly that we can't leave because we cannot survive without the EU.
It shouldnt be like that shoud it?
dutchman
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‘Golden passports’ threaten European security, warns EU commissioner
Europe’s security is being put at risk by so-called “golden passport” schemes that have allowed states to sell citizenship or residency to potentially “dangerous” individuals, the EU justice commissioner has warned.
Věra Jourová described the programmes as “problematic” and “unfair” – echoing the private concerns of Europe’s intelligence agencies, who fear “golden passports” have been exploited by people with enough money to buy access to the UK and Europe.
She added: “We have legitimate concerns, because if in one country a dangerous person gets citizenship, he gets citizenship for the whole of Europe. Maybe we all have to renegotiate the whole system and the whole competence of Europe. Because there is a contradiction.
“Once we have some weak points in the EU, some weak points where it is easy to enter the space, the whole of Europe has a problem.”
British intelligence is also known to be deeply unhappy about the schemes. “It is not just a concern for us, it is a concern for everyone,” said a Whitehall source.
Europe’s security is being put at risk by so-called “golden passport” schemes that have allowed states to sell citizenship or residency to potentially “dangerous” individuals, the EU justice commissioner has warned.
Věra Jourová described the programmes as “problematic” and “unfair” – echoing the private concerns of Europe’s intelligence agencies, who fear “golden passports” have been exploited by people with enough money to buy access to the UK and Europe.
She added: “We have legitimate concerns, because if in one country a dangerous person gets citizenship, he gets citizenship for the whole of Europe. Maybe we all have to renegotiate the whole system and the whole competence of Europe. Because there is a contradiction.
“Once we have some weak points in the EU, some weak points where it is easy to enter the space, the whole of Europe has a problem.”
British intelligence is also known to be deeply unhappy about the schemes. “It is not just a concern for us, it is a concern for everyone,” said a Whitehall source.