Grendel
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Last season you gave players a two in a one nil defeat
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Last season you gave players a two in a one nil defeat
Nick
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That's what makes it worse. It was a game we should have won with the right players and changes. It was another game where it was blindingly obvious they were going to get a winner and we didn't really do anything at all about it.
If we were completely outclassed you could understand it a bit more.
play_in_skyblue_stripes
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Thompson contributed more than Burge to preventing Walsall scoring, I'm not particularly having a go at Burge , just supporting some young player who has looks to have some potential and was slated by some people.
Hopefully we can leave this sub topic now.
Somehow I suspected you would respond further. You just cant resist can you? Just let people have their own opinions.
Hopefully we can leave this sub topic now.
Somehow I suspected you would respond further. You just cant resist can you? Just let people have their own opinions.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Context is everything and this was a difficult Cup game for us. About 4-5 games ago Walsall were above us in the league so this was as an even game you could get in the 1st round. At 2-0, you fear there could’ve been a capitulation, had that happened, the ridiculously low scores would be justified. The reality is, for 70m we were the better team who looked most likely to score minus two (arguably) mishaps from an inexperienced youngster in defence. We bounced back well and lost to a really good goal, my view of the goal was good and it was inch perfect.
It’s easier to criticise Robins for what he didn’t do, but his setup was good actually and he made some worthwhile and interesting experiments. Shipley as an advanced midfielder played well, making some good runs and on another day, he gets a goal or maybe two. That’s food for thought. Bringing players back to full fitness is necessary for our league campaign because we will have injuries and players like Mason and Ogogo need game time.
The subs we made were the right ones, they started to dropped deep and stood off us. Players like Jones and Bayliss can pull of ranged shots given the space. As for Chaplin, rather a chance fall to him than Bakayoko imo.
A lot of fans here are being apocalyptic and over the top as is the norm when we lose.
Nick
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The issue was there weren't any chances. The changes weakened us even more regardless of if they can take shots.
We couldn't keep the ball in their half at all. Jones exposed Thompson even more when he was on the right.
Grendel
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play_in_skyblue_stripes
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I have no further interest in discussing this specific sub topic with you. I dropped a subtle hint in that regard previously.
Nick
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Wasn't really that complicated. You have spent longer with the weird flounce than it would take to list things.
Mucca Mad Boys
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The substitutions didn't work, that's football. What changes would have made then?
Jone has been effective coming off the bench most of the time, it was only last week his shot led to the goal. If you're saying you wouldn't bring him on, you're being reactionary. Bayliss is our most attacking CM, if you want to win a game, you'd bring him on over more defensively minded midfielders, as previously mentioned, Walsall had started to stand off us. We've established you'd have brought on Bakayoko, who apparently had a shocker for the U23s and is not actually a target man - a lot of people probably wanted to see him score v Walsall, myself included, but Chaplin is the better striker.
Perhaps we should've subbed Jones on for Shipley, and moved Hiwula in the middle for a 4-4-2. This said, Hiwula was playing well down the left (better than Thomas this week) and so far Hiwula has had most of his success on that left wing. Shipley also looked quite likely to score in the first half too and does have a knack of being involved in goals.
Your take on the game is limited, you've only observed what didn't work, without any consideration for why the subs were made. We tried to the win the game and we didn't. It was a low stakes game and it's fairly obvious had it been a league game we would've been conservative and took and point. The only prize for a draw yesterday was a replay no one wanted.
The bottom line is, the substitutions didn't pay off, but you're being overly critical if you don't think they were logical.
Nick
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I didn't say bring bakayoko on to be a target man. I'd have brought him on for Shipley as was blowing out of his arse regardless of his performance.
I wouldn't have brought Thomas off at all, if anything hiwula was limping but their full backs looked scared every time they ran at them. Bringing Jones on meant whichever side he was on, the full backs were even more exposed as they were having a shocker as it was.
Legia Sky Blue
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So lets get this right - Thompson is never a full back, Doyle's legs have gone, Ogogo is poor, Shipley is a League 2 player, Chaplin & Bakayoko are poor signings etc. Anyone would think that we would be in the relegation zone, rather than around the play offs.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Again, you’ve not said what you would’ve done differently. You would’ve taken Shipley off for Bakayoko, that’s all I’ve got so far.
In short, you wouldn’t have changed anything.
play_in_skyblue_stripes
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This has now become a different topic.
I consider my posting on this specific sub topic quite restrained and certainly not angry or anyway vitriolic. I have no idea why you have decided to choose those words which personally I find quite condescending.
Personally I don't consider it "best practice" for an administrator of a website to engage in the way you have.
Nick
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It's called a discussion.
Who said anything about angry? What are you talking about?
I just simply asked how Thompson did more to prevent goals than the other defenders and keeper. Not a hard question. All I have had back is very weird replies saying anything but.
Johhny Blue
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I’ve been to more games than you this season and I live in Canada
play_in_skyblue_stripes
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That's how I term the the word flounce . Check out the English dictionary as I know you are so keen on facts . Admittedly, English can be an imperfect language at times and it seems when you used that the word Flounce that angry, wasn't your intended meaning. It's certainly valid for me have to interpreted your post that way.
Nick
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Yeah it's a nice story, you still haven't said all of the goal stopping he did that the others didn't though?
It's really straight forward.
Oh and flounce was referring to your very weird posts to try and get away from the very simple point.
Nick
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Like I said, I'd have replaced Shipley with a striker and pushed him to stand next to jch and play off him.
I'd have kept Thomas on and see how hiwula was doing because he did start limping. If he was struggling I'd have brought him off for Chaplin just for his work rate.
Jones left us far too exposed.
Londonccfcfan
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All this criticism of Shipley is a little bit extreme in my opinion. Bayliss admittedly was only on for about 15/20 mins was completely woefully! He misplaced more simple passes in that time than Shipley did in whole match.
Look at it objectively.
We were by far the better team and had the by far the better chances in first half. Should have been leading 2-1 at interval and not losing 2-1.
We came out and playrd decently away from home as a team for the first 65 mins.
It was after we deservedly equalised that it all went to pot. The substitutions were abysmal.
Look at it objectively.
We were by far the better team and had the by far the better chances in first half. Should have been leading 2-1 at interval and not losing 2-1.
We came out and playrd decently away from home as a team for the first 65 mins.
It was after we deservedly equalised that it all went to pot. The substitutions were abysmal.
play_in_skyblue_stripes
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Definition of Flounce word wasn't a story though was it? It was a FACT , based on English dictionary definition.
Perceived beauty of watching football is the different opinions people have. Facts tend to make up a small part of football debate and in the context of game yesterday likely to centre of the number of goals scored, yellow cards and players involved etc. Pretty much the rest of it is opinion . There is no obvious proven (to me at least ) factual way to analyse who had most impact in certain things that cannot be refuted in the categoric way that more precise stuff like mathematical formulas and English dictionaries can.
Perhaps you can share the facts with everyone if you are aware of them. I can only provide an opinion and am not aware of any categorical proven facts on this point that take into account EVERY part of yesterdays game.
Only fact I will provide now, is that I wish Thompson all the best for rest of season
Nick
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Another story without any actual point. You said he did more to stop them from scoring goals than burge and was the best defender. That's not an opinion, it's a statement.
He assisted their second, went missing when they hit the bar and nearly gave them a penalty which looked pretty close.
What did the others do that were worse?
Oh and flounce
"an exaggerated action intended to express annoyance or impatience."
See below quotes that fit into that perfectly for daring to ask for details about something you said:
I have no further interest in discussing this specific sub topic with you
Personally I don't consider it "best practice" for an administrator of a website to engage in the way you have.
Somehow I suspected you would respond further. You just cant resist can you? Just let people have their own opinions.
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play_in_skyblue_stripes
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The actual point is that you have been continually attempting to extending this specific sub topic to seek unobtainable facts despite myself trying to bring it to a conclusion.
There are no real facts that conclude one way or another.
I carefully chose my words in all of this and have attempted to avoid to use perceived angry language.
Its my opinion that if I was an administrator I would step back and consider why someone is saying and check whether their is some merit in that and consider
ways of limiting possibility of different posters saying the similar in future.
"Personally I don't consider it "best practice" for an administrator of a website to engage in the way you have"
Pretty sure I saw some "Facts" published on this very same forum, on frequency of posts by poster. I recall that you were number one.
That does NOT surprise me by the manner that you have continued and sought extension to debate despite myself stating twice trying to that I did not wish to continue debate. I would not normally expect an administrator to be number one poster. I would expect an administrator to be a moderator and someone than calms things down and be in the background. Chairs in meetings in workplace are rarely the biggest talker and if they are, there is something not quite right.
If I am wrong about top volume of posts being you, I apologise.
That really is it from me on the different topic I brought up and certainly is on the specific sub topic of Thompson .
There are no real facts that conclude one way or another.
I carefully chose my words in all of this and have attempted to avoid to use perceived angry language.
Its my opinion that if I was an administrator I would step back and consider why someone is saying and check whether their is some merit in that and consider
ways of limiting possibility of different posters saying the similar in future.
"Personally I don't consider it "best practice" for an administrator of a website to engage in the way you have"
Pretty sure I saw some "Facts" published on this very same forum, on frequency of posts by poster. I recall that you were number one.
That does NOT surprise me by the manner that you have continued and sought extension to debate despite myself stating twice trying to that I did not wish to continue debate. I would not normally expect an administrator to be number one poster. I would expect an administrator to be a moderator and someone than calms things down and be in the background. Chairs in meetings in workplace are rarely the biggest talker and if they are, there is something not quite right.
If I am wrong about top volume of posts being you, I apologise.
That really is it from me on the different topic I brought up and certainly is on the specific sub topic of Thompson .
Nick
Administrator
What on earth has me posting got to do with anything? I'm just as entitled as any other member to post.
The things I'm asking aren't unobtainable, hence I've been able to tell you how he put us more at risk of conceding compared to the other players.
It's really not hard. I'm not asking for long drawn out essays about why I'm not entitled to post.
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Grendel
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He’s a fan the same as you and me you pretentious clown
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep bang on