skybluegod
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Isn't this out of date? Would ignore this unless it is after the deal with the EU was released...
Sorry if this was released after, but can't tell as you have just copied the table not the link
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (246 Viewers)
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Isn't this out of date? Would ignore this unless it is after the deal with the EU was released...
Sorry if this was released after, but can't tell as you have just copied the table not the link
It's behind a paywall on the Times' site. Brexit poll shows growing number believe Leave vote was a mistake
Article dated today, survey commissioned by the Times.
skybluegod
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Yes, he is remarkable. I suspect I know who will benefit from deregulation of labour and the environment that will follow leave. It won’t be people in Sunderland or other neglected areas.
Why is dark money flowing into think tanks, amongst 9 organisations conveniently based in the same Tufton Street House? Why does an organisation,owned by 2 people and registered as a charity, call itself Tax Payers Alliance, but doesn’t allow tax payers any say, back Brexit? Could it be to privatise everything and reduce tax for the rich? Also at Tufton Street.
As for the EU summit off couple days ago, they rejected Macron‘s reform suggestion. In particular Merkel had doubts about transfer payments. Not saying they won’t come, but they will be limited.
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It's possible to argue that she has to pander to the more vocal, more, errrm, extreme end of her party to try and get things through. The moderates, by definition are, well, moderate, and tend to fall into line more easily.
Her biggest mistake was choosing to become Prime Minister after Cameron - whoever ended up there was on a hiding to nothing. Cameron's stupidity has put his party and the country in this position and it's amazing he escapes as much as he does.
Theresa May is the only one up until now who has actually put leave in writing and up for discussion. No one else has defined leave in all it’s details. This is it. This is what was voted for. The only deal on the table. No one likes it, but perhaps people should have thought about it more before they voted, or Cameron put a binary question on an unknown quantity to the people.
All other versions of leave are, by definition ( only deal on the table), not possible. You can say they are, but not without the agreement of 27 sovereign nations and/or wrecking the economy.
It should be no surprise. We helped write the rules of the SM and CU, and the EU said from the outset that we couldn’t have our cake and eat it. Even if they hadn’t said that, it was glaringly obvious that we wouldn’t get something for nothing. It don’t work like that on this planet.
ccfc92
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I still fail to see how Cameron can escape responsibility?
He arrogantly assumed Remain would win, then disappeared with his tail between his legs after the result and left it for someone else to deal with when it backfired.
Surely, there should be some form of him having to answer for his actions?
I'd agree with you if she hadn't displayed the same sort of behaviour as home secretary. I genuinely believe she is xenophobic.
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That is indeed where I struggle to defend her!
I do think though that playing the ball, not the (wo)man... whoever had been in charge since the referendum would have ended up alienating more than they'd please, by definition.
Add in the fact that her first Brexit Secretary was woefully underprepared and ended up leaving much of the work to the Prime Minister, then there's been little support, too, as many figures... in her own party are happy to snipe from the sidelines rather than attempt to be constructive and help her, as it's better for their own career, if not the country.
'Bloody mess' is probably the most apposite phrase!
clint van damme
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Save your sympathy for the victims of the hike in crime and the windrush scandal which she is responsible for.
skybluetony176
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skybluetony176
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I have little to zero sympathy for May. I admire her resolve but the only reason I have that is she’s consistently reversed herself into corners with her rhetoric (out means out, leave means leave ect) and her actions yet still clings onto the leg of power like a love sick turd. She’s tried to bypass the sovereignty of parliament several times and each time she’s had to reverse out of that corner when it was obvious she shouldn’t have driven into in the first place. From Judicial Reviews (feels dirty using that word and in no way related to SISU) to numerous defeats in Parliament. All of which could have been avoided if she’d only taken the logical, correct and in some cases only possible course of action in the first place.
Yawn
She fucked up her last job too.....maybe if she had done that properly we wouldn't be where we are !
Paxman II
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I have avoided this but the way our parliment and it's members are acting is bewildering. Sovreinty lies with the people. The people voted and we must leave.
The patronising comments by many a politician and others is galling. I understood the vote. Leave or stay.
For me personally it was not about 'making a deal'. The WTO rules are clear and we would be fine leaving on that basis. Far too much emphasis has been weighted in assuming the EU is all so powerful and without it we would struggle economically. That's simply not true.
The level of fear mongering is palable. So I'm a leaver yes, but not for economical, freedom of movement or any other multitude of reasons but one. Sovreinty bringing with it our independence and being in control of our own destiny, rules, laws and not dictated to by outsiders.
The patronising comments by many a politician and others is galling. I understood the vote. Leave or stay.
For me personally it was not about 'making a deal'. The WTO rules are clear and we would be fine leaving on that basis. Far too much emphasis has been weighted in assuming the EU is all so powerful and without it we would struggle economically. That's simply not true.
The level of fear mongering is palable. So I'm a leaver yes, but not for economical, freedom of movement or any other multitude of reasons but one. Sovreinty bringing with it our independence and being in control of our own destiny, rules, laws and not dictated to by outsiders.
Do you disagree with my statement? Care to elaborate? Or is it another 'my village is getting bigger, fuck the EU' situation?
Sick Boy
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Actually parliament is sovereign.
Sovereignty lies with parliament, not the people. The rest of it I can't be arsed with.
I mean, you start a rant like that and fucking hell. Just fucking hell.
clint van damme
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How would we be fine operating under WTO rules?
clint van damme
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Amazing how there are people who bang on about sovereignty but are quite happy for the government to circumnavigate it when they're pursuing an agenda they agree with.
Yeah it's just that sugar !
Captain Dart
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May is about to sign a UN policy on Migration, a lot of countries won't sign, Belgium, Italy, Australia, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, USA, the UK will make a big mistake if it signs.
I signed the petition, the numbers are really ramping up now the problems it will bring are becoming apparent.
Petition: The UK should not agree the UN's Global Compact for Migration
Grendel
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Perhaps we should also have an intelligence test as to who can vote in general elections as well? Sounds like s plan.
I'm in.
Grendel
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I’m sure you are. So do you believe everyone should have a vote in a general election who are of the minimum age - or like say Stalin would claim - they need a certain intelligence to do so?
Explain how WTO is fine please. An example: 90% of Welsh Lamb gets exported to the EU with no tariffs. WTO tariff on lamb is 40%. Do you think the Welsh farmers will be 'fine'?
Parliament is sovereign. Not the people. We have the sovereign right to trigger or revoke article 50. That was confirmed
2 days ago by the EU. Our sovereignty was confirmed by our parliament in the first sentence of the Brexit white paper. Most EU laws since the EU starte, well over 90%, were approved by us and 2% voted against by us. In other words EU laws are our laws. Most laws are not EU laws. We will struggle outside the EU. 35 of the UN countries are classed as advanced economies, 27 of which are in Europe and the EU has comprehensive trade deals with 4 of the rest. The Europeans are our neighbours and our goods are exported tariff free and frictionless. What laws are dictated to us by outsiders where we have no say?
Totally. Mate you're a genius. Let's do this!
dancers lance
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"To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step to knowledge" (Benjamin Disraeli)
"I seem, then, in just this little thing to be wiser than this man at any rate, that what I do not know I do not think I know either." - Plato's Apology of Socrates
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Hahaha. You really are hilarious. For you to talk about my kids reaction and that I'm angry about something is your desparate way of trying to justify your own sad , lonely life.
And before you mention that I've probably just left the pub, because I happen to come on here in the evenings, it's simply because I've been at work all day
..whereas you spend most day on here, which says a great deal about you.
I dare you to have one day off from this thread . Go on. There's a challenge.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Same old, same old.
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Everyone knows this stuff. Do you think they're all thick ?
Yes. Me and grendel are on it though so don't sweat it.