cc84cov
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If there is any recruitment have a feeling we will have to move people on first.
Ratings v Luton (11 Viewers)
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Old Warwickshire lad
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Not everyone thinks Brown had a good game,ok he was good on the ball and had some good touches going forward.
But his defending was shocking, never seems to be in a position to stop his man crossing. Grimmer was the same.
Skybluefaz
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This is how I saw it yesterday. Junior Brown would get the ball near the half way line and Hiwula immediately went inside but no one moved. So there was no ball down the line and more often than not he had to go back to the CB.
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Skybluefaz
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I also have to give Luton credit. I thought their number 6 was the best CB I've seen at the ricoh this season. Defensively they were solid. Defended really well as a team. Going forward they all looked comfortable. Probably better than Portsmouth.
pusbccfc
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Robins has been clear that we have to start JCH as he is the only one who offers an physicality.
We're forced to play JCH, unfortunately.
skyblueeyesrevisited
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In that case in the words of Private Fraser ‘We’re doomed’!
rob9872
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Or we change the system. I keep hearing we're a footballing side so why not two smaller men up top? Tbh Jono seems to be a few inches smaller when he jumps than when he stands still! Rarely wins a duel against a big CB.
I'd bring Sterling back in and now Kelly has match fitness I'd get him and Doyle reunited in the middle rather than rotate. In fact we could do a lot worse than go to last seasons midfield with Shipley on the left and Bayliss on the right. Maybe push Thomas up front with Chaplin.
I'd bring Sterling back in and now Kelly has match fitness I'd get him and Doyle reunited in the middle rather than rotate. In fact we could do a lot worse than go to last seasons midfield with Shipley on the left and Bayliss on the right. Maybe push Thomas up front with Chaplin.
Otis
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I sort of agree, but some of that was down to miscommunication with teammates and at times, as much their fault as his.
I recall him putting one ball straight into touch.
Shipley's passing on the whole was awful. The difference I saw with some of Bayliss' passing was that he was passing the ball in for teammates and they weren't bad balls, but the players simply didn't run into that space.
He wasn't great at all though, still. Some very good runs, but little end product.
If you watch the game back you will see what I mean. Many of the Bayliss bad balls were down to miscommunication rather than being bad passes (i.e. such as Shipley 's pass in the second half that went out of play at least 20 yards away from any City player).
sylus
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Why the hell did Robin's set us up to play so negative yesterday, ok, i can understand Luton playing well and having a good season and all,but ffs they came up with us,from the start it was evident they were going to dictate the game and they did,the score could of been worse.Playing ONE up front at home against a side who got promoted with us,questions really need asking of Robin's,what was he playing at,take the game to them,not sit back and hope for the best
Otis
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I said to my mate yesterday, it was like Luton were the home side and we were playing away.
Adge
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Didn't realise there were 2 ratings threads so its in this one for those who are bothered by it-IE the forum police!
Burge 5 Vintage Burge rolling back the years-awful kicking and all over the place.
Grimmer 6 Ok and at least looked interested. Some good progress down the right.
Willis 5 Uncomfortable afternoon for him and his defensive partner. Looks like a bit of a lay-off after the late tackle on him.
Davis 5 Slightly better than Willis but showed his Achilles heal with a couple of slips which let them in on goal.
Brown 7 Decent game from him I thought and unbelievably didn’t get our man of the match as he was our best player.
Kelly 6 Started off well but went deeper and deeper and in the end might as well have been a third central defender. At least looked like he was bothered and interested.
Bayliss 5 Couple of forays forward/lost the ball in dangerous areas/got substituted and then got Man of the match! How?
Shipley 4 Forgot he was on the pitch and then noticed him when he tried to take a quick free kick and it went out for a throw.In reality he is trying to punch above his weight.
Thomas 6 Was our only threat going forward but not as effective than of late. Got the penalty with a good run.
JCH 5 Only gets 5 because he scored the Penalty. Should have done better with s close range header but keeper saved it. Isolated on his own but sometimes you have to keep going and make things happen. Didn’t see him doing that.
Hiwula 4 Abysmal. Was it over the line or not? Didn’t deserve a goal anyway.
Hyam 5 Not long on but didn’t do anything wrong.
Chaplin 4 Couldn’t fathom out what he was doing/where he was playing. No impact on the game anyway.
Allisani 6 Done more in 15 mins than most others didnt do in the 90. Deserves a start next week.
Teeing off on the 18th with Telf!
Burge 5 Vintage Burge rolling back the years-awful kicking and all over the place.
Grimmer 6 Ok and at least looked interested. Some good progress down the right.
Willis 5 Uncomfortable afternoon for him and his defensive partner. Looks like a bit of a lay-off after the late tackle on him.
Davis 5 Slightly better than Willis but showed his Achilles heal with a couple of slips which let them in on goal.
Brown 7 Decent game from him I thought and unbelievably didn’t get our man of the match as he was our best player.
Kelly 6 Started off well but went deeper and deeper and in the end might as well have been a third central defender. At least looked like he was bothered and interested.
Bayliss 5 Couple of forays forward/lost the ball in dangerous areas/got substituted and then got Man of the match! How?
Shipley 4 Forgot he was on the pitch and then noticed him when he tried to take a quick free kick and it went out for a throw.In reality he is trying to punch above his weight.
Thomas 6 Was our only threat going forward but not as effective than of late. Got the penalty with a good run.
JCH 5 Only gets 5 because he scored the Penalty. Should have done better with s close range header but keeper saved it. Isolated on his own but sometimes you have to keep going and make things happen. Didn’t see him doing that.
Hiwula 4 Abysmal. Was it over the line or not? Didn’t deserve a goal anyway.
Hyam 5 Not long on but didn’t do anything wrong.
Chaplin 4 Couldn’t fathom out what he was doing/where he was playing. No impact on the game anyway.
Allisani 6 Done more in 15 mins than most others didnt do in the 90. Deserves a start next week.
Teeing off on the 18th with Telf!
johnwillomagic
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I think we are paying the price for playing fans favourite Bayliss in the centre every bloody game - he should have been benched or moved out wide
some time ago in a as MIke Basset would say 4-4-***n 2 formation!
What is wrong with Bakayoko - how long is he out for Sterling being out not good?
Assuming now that we have Bakayoko out for 8 weeks then I think we should call Ponti back to boost
striking options assuming we cannot get anyone in via loan or transfer for a bit.
For Shrewsbury Assuming no Sterling or Baka though options are limited I would shake it up in this way.
Burge GK (just had a poor last couple but has been good overall to just keep his shirt)
Willis RB Not ideal but think better option than Grimmer sadly.
Hyam CB Never lets us down normally when he does play.
Davies CB Owes us a good performance still our best centre half in my opinion.
Brown LB I think he has been steady and will want to play well against Shrewsbury
Thomas RM Our only attacking threat think currently he has to be first name on team sheet.
Allesani LM A rsik but think with how it's going worth taking a shot with pace on both wings
Doyle CM Get the old war-horse back!!!
Kelly CM Good to have him nack him and Doyle best paartnership we have currently when in a bad patch
JCH ST Just due to lack of options owes a big performance
Hiwula ST Just think carries more of a goal threat just than Chaplin - hook him at HT if not delivering.
Subs: LOB, Grimmer, Thompson, Ogogo, Bayliss, Shipley, Chaplin
some time ago in a as MIke Basset would say 4-4-***n 2 formation!
What is wrong with Bakayoko - how long is he out for Sterling being out not good?
Assuming now that we have Bakayoko out for 8 weeks then I think we should call Ponti back to boost
striking options assuming we cannot get anyone in via loan or transfer for a bit.
For Shrewsbury Assuming no Sterling or Baka though options are limited I would shake it up in this way.
Burge GK (just had a poor last couple but has been good overall to just keep his shirt)
Willis RB Not ideal but think better option than Grimmer sadly.
Hyam CB Never lets us down normally when he does play.
Davies CB Owes us a good performance still our best centre half in my opinion.
Brown LB I think he has been steady and will want to play well against Shrewsbury
Thomas RM Our only attacking threat think currently he has to be first name on team sheet.
Allesani LM A rsik but think with how it's going worth taking a shot with pace on both wings
Doyle CM Get the old war-horse back!!!
Kelly CM Good to have him nack him and Doyle best paartnership we have currently when in a bad patch
JCH ST Just due to lack of options owes a big performance
Hiwula ST Just think carries more of a goal threat just than Chaplin - hook him at HT if not delivering.
Subs: LOB, Grimmer, Thompson, Ogogo, Bayliss, Shipley, Chaplin
Skybluefaz
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Allassani looked bright yesterday, surely that straight swap needs to be tried
Otis
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I am.worried about his size though. The bloke is tiny.
In fact, have you ever noticed when the two sides stand in the line up side by side, how much smaller we are than most other teams?
Pete in Portugal
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Burge 6 - distribution was patchy, otherwise OK
Grimmer 4 - repeatedly beaten - I fear he's just not up to the standard required at this level
Willis 6 - not his best game but used his pace and strength well to recover situations
Davies 5 - generally solid but made one very bad error, so docked a point
Brown 5 - positioning is often suspect
Kelly 5 - Struggled. I think he found it hard without another defensive midfielder alongside him
Thomas 6 - was closely marked by a quick left back, so not as effective and not as big a threat as normal
Bayliss 4 - had a poor game by his standards
Shipley 4 - needs to tackle more and pass to our players - worked very hard, especially in the first half
Hiwula 2 - very poor and at times appeared to be half-hearted in his application. Ideally needs to be moved on
Clarke-Harris 3 - was poor and easily dominated by their defenders
Hyam 6 - did OK without standing out
Chaplin 5 - struggled, mainly because of lack of service to him
Allassani 7 - looked lively and up for it. Our only attacker, (apart from Thomas), to pose a anything like a threat. Should start next week
Grimmer 4 - repeatedly beaten - I fear he's just not up to the standard required at this level
Willis 6 - not his best game but used his pace and strength well to recover situations
Davies 5 - generally solid but made one very bad error, so docked a point
Brown 5 - positioning is often suspect
Kelly 5 - Struggled. I think he found it hard without another defensive midfielder alongside him
Thomas 6 - was closely marked by a quick left back, so not as effective and not as big a threat as normal
Bayliss 4 - had a poor game by his standards
Shipley 4 - needs to tackle more and pass to our players - worked very hard, especially in the first half
Hiwula 2 - very poor and at times appeared to be half-hearted in his application. Ideally needs to be moved on
Clarke-Harris 3 - was poor and easily dominated by their defenders
Hyam 6 - did OK without standing out
Chaplin 5 - struggled, mainly because of lack of service to him
Allassani 7 - looked lively and up for it. Our only attacker, (apart from Thomas), to pose a anything like a threat. Should start next week
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steve82
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Otis this is the very thing with Bayliss that makes his performances go under the radar. We all like him as he’s a talent with a future in the game but his performance yesterday was no better than Shipley yet we try and reason with what he did or didn’t do right as he’s the blue eyed boy in the middle who will go on a mazy run occasionally. His application in games is going down hill fast.
Fact is he’s been below par too often but we’ve little to rest him as I believe he’s played too much football in the last 12 months.
He needs a rest and as a result is not up to L1 standards weekly yet and yesterday probably opened eyes to this fact to many.
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Warwickhunt
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Who the fuck is Mason?
Warwickhunt
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Don't agree with Grimmer he was quite solid today and don't remember him being beaten
Warwickhunt
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Bayliss is playing like a player who knows he is going in January IMHO
clint van damme
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he got rinsed 3 times in the first 10 minutes.
Skybluefaz
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With the position he plays though it doesn't bother me how tall he is or isn't. We need to get the ball to his feet though. He can't be much shorter than Luke Thomas. Maybe we do need a big bastard in the middle though in January. Kelly and Doyle are not particularly tall.
steve82
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If it means investing in a player or two for now then it’s a deal!
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steve82
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Yesterday is a typical game where many dig out the usual suspects and highlight them as issues, many many issues yesterday but application and desire was the biggest part missing and others not turning up above any other fault.
It was a classic cold wet windy night at stoke analogy, or Fleetwood at our level which incidentally we fell short at too.
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It was a classic cold wet windy night at stoke analogy, or Fleetwood at our level which incidentally we fell short at too.
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steve82
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Had a classic Sunday league manager narrating the game behind me yesterday, to quote him he suggested Thomas needed to put on 4 stone.
Now if he did that he’d be a different player entirely with no pace
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cc84cov
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I would take £2m for him in jan to invest with...all day
Skybluefaz
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Scary init.
Otis
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Have to disagree there though, because some of Shipley 's passing was simply atrocious.Clearly miss-hit passes.
Bayliss did one too in the first half. It went straight out of play nowhere near anyone.
Some of his passes though yesterday you could see he was trying to play one twos and there was clear miscommunication. He would pass the ball and the player did not make the run, or they would make the run and he would hit the ball to where they were.
That is a clear lack of understanding. All players involved are therefore to blame, Bayliss included.
That's a bit different from Shipley's inability to pass to a teammate on a number of occasions. Quite often his passing is just poor through lack of ability.
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GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee
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If you’d bothered to read this was cleared up by Otis & I... worried you don’t know who our second choice left back is
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Terry Gibson's perm
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He would be Marcus Tudgay
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee
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I would completely agree with this. I didn’t think Bayliss was good yesterday but many of his mistakes was through playing a pass the other player hadn’t read or anticipated, bar one god awful one on the far side that went out for a throw in. Shipley’s were for the most part due to being a bit shit
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Terry Gibson's perm
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If we don’t sort out the ground by then expect a fire sale as the players will become free agents
Gibbo
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Brown was my man of the match best of a poor bunch. Extremely neat feet, plays ball to man, crosses with either foot, very quick to recover, good at holding the offside line.8.30 and no ratings thread shows how poor we were again despite difficult conditions, but I'll start one for no reason other than to let you tell me I'm wrong:
Burge 6 Positioning arguably not great on 1 goal but not culpable and not loads to do
Grimmer 5 not good enough on the ball today and often made the wrong call
Brown 4 so frustrating. People keep telling me he's good but I can't see it. Managers decision to get up the wing I understand but he's always out of position and a complete liability.
Willis 6 looked ok without being outstanding
Davies 6 as above
Kelly 6 worked hard but not good enough in possession
Bayliss 5 how sponsors gave him motm I'll never know!
Shipley 5 tracked back and covered well bit offered very little with ball
Thomas 6 usual great effort but no end product and poor decision making
Hiwula 3 never a footballer
JCH 3 would've been a 2 but a point for the penalty
Subs
Hyam 6 did nothing wrong
Allassani 6 looked lively in a dead game
Chaplin 3 I'm worried about our striking options and didn't do enough
Robins 1 poor set up, wrong selections, wrong formation, wrong tactics, wrong subs and needs to sort things quickly.
Worrying times!
Positioning can go awry and a bit short, but I thought he played well particularly with Hiwula who should not have been subbed