From the Boardroom (Luton) (3 Viewers)

[ricohroar]

"how they get away with openly lying every time they speak."
The council, Seppala, Fisher or Wasps? not one has told the truth in all of this

 

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[shmmeee]

Weren't attempts at bringing the rent down knocked back?

Hello darkness my old friend....


They were, but the point is still it’s on Sisu to sort it. I’m firmly of the belief that the Ricoh is too big for the club at the moment and we should’ve spent the last four years finding a suitable, affordable home instead of constant legal appeals.

I suspect both sides are guilty of playing chicken and losing TBF. Sisu thought no one would want the Ricoh and CCC thought Sisu would leave and someone reasonable would come in.

I mean really if you want to talk responsibility it’s McGinnity for pawning our share, then Sisu for throwing the option away. But we’re really in spilt milk territory here. And I’m not sure it helps going forward.

 

[shmmeee]

So, if it isn't in the lease they need to be questioned about why they were going into assault mode in the media telling everybody it was a condition.

Then it would just turn out to be lies they made up to soften the blow of Wasps moving, at which point it needs to be figured out how they get away with openly lying every time they speak.

Like they say though, they can pretty much do whatever they want as "public opinion is on their side".

As I say, if it ain’t in the lease then they fucked up either intentionally or not and need to be held to account for that.

 

[Nick]

Hello darkness my old friend....


They were, but the point is still it’s on Sisu to sort it. I’m firmly of the belief that the Ricoh is too big for the club at the moment and we should’ve spent the last four years finding a suitable, affordable home instead of constant legal appeals.

I suspect both sides are guilty of playing chicken and losing TBF. Sisu thought no one would want the Ricoh and CCC thought Sisu would leave and someone reasonable would come in.

I mean really if you want to talk responsibility it’s McGinnity for pawning our share, then Sisu for throwing the option away. But we’re really in spilt milk territory here. And I’m not sure it helps going forward.

Well no, it's just that it's not as straight forward as "sort it" when trying to sort the high rent it was knocked back even before SISU.

Of course, it's one big game of poker. The trouble is one of them playing it is the local council who keep being found to be bare faced lying about things and getting cocky that they can do what they want because people hate SISU.

 

[Nick]

As I say, if it ain’t in the lease then they fucked up either intentionally or not and need to be held to account for that.

I'd put my money on them having no intention of putting it into the lease and that it was just bullshit made up to prevent any backlash.

 

[shmmeee]

Well no, it's just that it's not as straight forward as "sort it" when trying to sort the high rent it was knocked back even before SISU.

Of course, it's one big game of poker. The trouble is one of them playing it is the local council who keep being found to be bare faced lying about things and getting cocky that they can do what they want because people hate SISU.

“The council” is a unanimous cross party group of people of course. Which usually suggests something that crosses party lines isn’t as simple as “someone’s lying”. Politics doesn’t work like that.

But again, regardless of how we feel CCFC is a private enterprise and not the responsibility of the taxpayer. Sisu knew the deal when they took us on and decided this was the best course of action. Multiple councils of different political hues have taken the same stance, why do you think that is? Do they all just hate CCFC and are a bunch of lying liars? What do we do with that information to help CCFC?

 

[Nick]

“The council” is a unanimous cross party group of people of course. Which usually suggests something that crosses party lines isn’t as simple as “someone’s lying”. Politics doesn’t work like that.

But again, regardless of how we feel CCFC is a private enterprise and not the responsibility of the taxpayer. Sisu knew the deal when they took us on and decided this was the best course of action. Multiple councils of different political hues have taken the same stance, why do you think that is? Do they all just hate CCFC and are a bunch of lying liars? What do we do with that information to help CCFC?

Usually it is the person saying it then? We have seen Lucas lie a few times. She was going on about how ACL didn't need CCFC, washing it's face, small percentage of it's business. (she then claimed she was given the wrong information) Then she clearly says there were 3 conditions that they would sell to Wasps, nothing about 4 years, nothing about for the length of the agreement.

Of course CCFC is a private company, we have seen even before SISU how much the local authority give a shit about it.

Surely a bit of pressure on CCC or trying to find out if they are any actual conditions and why it was said may help CCFC even after SISU in those 200 odd other years. Like they said, they have public opinion behind them so can effectively do or say what they want.

 

[Captain Dart]

As I say, if it ain’t in the lease then they fucked up either intentionally or not and need to be held to account for that.

Absolutely. Kind words are worthless , particularly when uttered by a politician, unequivocal terms must be in a written contract.
If SISU believe CCFC are entitled to a permanent tenancy/rent deal shouldn't they be challenging this in the courts?
But what are SISU doing about securing an agreement to play next season, I find it disturbing that all we have is public pleas in program notes, that is not a proper business strategy.

 

[Nick]

Absolutely. Kind words are worthless , particularly when uttered by a politician, unequivocal terms must be in a written contract.
If SISU believe CCFC are entitled to a permanent tenancy/rent deal shouldn't they be challenging this in the courts?
But what are SISU doing about securing an agreement to play next season, I find it disturbing that all we have is public pleas in program notes, that is not a proper business strategy.

Isn't Boddy trying to get Wasps to sit down and talk to do a deal and has spoken to them directly?

It's interesting that lying to tax payers and councillors before a vote is OK because they are a politician.

They don't like being questioned about it at all, that's clear to see.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If SISU believe CCFC are entitled to a permanent tenancy/rent deal shouldn't they be challenging this in the courts?

Give it time!

 

[Captain Dart]

Isn't Boddy trying to get Wasps to sit down and talk to do a deal and has spoken to them directly?

It's interesting that lying to tax payers and councillors before a vote is OK because they are a politician.

They don't like being questioned about it at all, that's clear to see.

No one said lying was OK, just to be expected by anyone who isn't utterly naive.

 

[Nick]

No one said lying was OK, just to be expected by anyone who isn't utterly naive.

Ah, so expected means it's ok? Meanwhile you and the other people who get rolled out with no interest in the football club pull your cock's off about a "new stadium" that Fisher also bullshitted about years ago?

At what point is a council leader lying crossing the line by clearly making things up? Obviously it's not OK for any party to lie, including Fisher and his stories.

 

[MalcSB]

Not to open a can of worms, but it wasn’t the council that broke the secure tenancy the club had.

The council statement was after the return to the Ricoh.

 

[Captain Dart]

 

[Nick]

You just try to do the same as the other muppets who push the same shite.

You don't seem to be able to actually discuss things, it's more fire things out from the hip and hope they stick.

 

[Grendel]

“The council” is a unanimous cross party group of people of course. Which usually suggests something that crosses party lines isn’t as simple as “someone’s lying”. Politics doesn’t work like that.

But again, regardless of how we feel CCFC is a private enterprise and not the responsibility of the taxpayer. Sisu knew the deal when they took us on and decided this was the best course of action. Multiple councils of different political hues have taken the same stance, why do you think that is? Do they all just hate CCFC and are a bunch of lying liars? What do we do with that information to help CCFC?

ACL is also a private company and has no taxpayer liability.

Its also a pretty odd way for a council to behave when you consider other councils have bent over backwards to support football teams by buying out stadiums, offering preferential loans, writing off preferential loans and allowing clubs to reside in loss make stadiums at heavily subsidised rents

From the outside the deal was commercially unviable and the council investment was minimal and risk of further exposure virtually zero.

In the end it has actually done what it said it would never do - sell out to a hedge fund to load debt against it

Its the problem when you give very simple and rather basic individuals some perceived authority I'm afraid.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

So why not let Anderson complete negotiations on the long term deal but say its can't be signed under current ownership with the legals ongoing?

For all we know when Anderson, shortly after leaving CCFC following Wasps walking out of talks, spoke of taking over a club he could have been talking about us "Which club? I can not say. Not a very big and well known team. There you can change little. A modest team for example in League One or League Two in England.".

Why not let Anderson talk about his time here why has he been gagged?

Is it because what has come out of the Club is shite.
The only good thing I have heard today is all the Manx Fans crying on how hard done by they have been and how shit their owners are......

 

[Nick]

Why not let Anderson talk about his time here why has he been gagged?

Is it because what has come out of the Club is shite.
The only good thing I have heard today is all the Manx Fans crying on how hard done by they have been and how shit their owners are......

Which bits are shite that you mean?

 

[chiefdave]

Why not let Anderson talk about his time here why has he been gagged?

To use one of Fishers favourite phrases its standard business practice. Pretty much any MD leaving any decent size company would be expect to sign a confidentiality agreement.

 

[duffer]

I completely agree but I'd also suggest that crowds at CRFC have been helped by Wasps. Those not happy at a London rugby club moving in are more likely to go and watch CRFC to support the genuine local team.

Politely, I don't see it that way. I don't see anyone going to watch CRFC as a protest against Wasps.

The effect of them moving here is much more likely to have diluted support than increased it, especially when they choose to play on the same days as Cov. For a team that's just been promoted, the uplift at Cov is a little disappointing in my opinion, but at least they're trying to build sustainably rather than on a debt mountain...

 

[duffer]

No one said lying was OK, just to be expected by anyone who isn't utterly naive.

It's not naive to expect elected officials and their officers to tell the truth. Indeed that's absolutely the minimum standard that should be accepted for anyone in public office.

Again, if this was about anything but beating SISU there would be an awful lot more outrage, imho.

The Council have lied since the moment they talked about 'building trust' with the club whilst secretly selling to Wasps. They extended that lie when pretending to care what happened to the club post-sale.

No amount of rehashing the past will change those facts - they are black and white and a matter of public record. Why should we be expected to tolerate those lies?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Which bits are shite that you mean?

You'll never know because he can't tell you.
I have heard a few things but.
I would not post them on here as all you get is, liar show us your proof or stop making stuff up.
Oh and before you all start replying I know Whats comming

PUSB

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You'll never know because he can't tell you.
I have heard a few things but.
I would not post them on here as all you get is, liar show us your proof or stop making stuff up.
Oh and before you all start replying I know Whats comming

PUSB

If I let you off your Isle of Man slipup, will you tell us?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

If I let you off your Isle of Man slipup, will you tell us?

Slip up not me

TBF one of them has been mentioned on this board it is the detail that was shit/hushed up.

 

[Nick]

Slip up not me

TBF one of them has been mentioned on this board it is the detail that was shit/hushed up.

You aren't being fed rumors again are you? Pwkh up to his old tricks again?

What was shite that has been mentioned?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

You aren't being fed rumors again are you? Pwkh up to his old tricks again?

What was shite that has been mentioned?

Well some of it is from the horses mouth.
which one is pwkh?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Well some of it is from the horses mouth.

Let's be honest... would you trust any of them?

That's why you may as well share it, tbh

 

[Captain Dart]

It's not naive to expect elected officials and their officers to tell the truth. Indeed that's absolutely the minimum standard that should be accepted for anyone in public office.

I you say so, I expect less, I never at any point said or imply it is an acceptable standard.

 

[Captain Dart]

Well some of it is from the horses mouth.
which one is pwkh?

The Higgs Charity balloon man.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

The Higgs Charity balloon man.
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Don't know him, don't believe I have ever seen or spoken to him.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Let's be honest... would you trust any of them?

That's why you may as well share it, tbh

Stop it

 

[Warwickhunt]

Don't know him, don't believe I have ever seen or spoken to him.

lucky you! the guy is grade "A" arsehole

 

[duffer]

I you say so, I expect less, I never at any point said or imply it is an acceptable standard.

Fair enough, but to me it's a pretty fine line between expectance and acceptance. I think far too many people are willing to accept Council chicanery here because of who it's affected (i.e. SISU).

If I deliberately and clearly misled a customer in this way, then I'd expect to be disciplined if not actually sacked. Councillors can seemingly make up whatever they want without censure - that doesn't sit well with me, regardless of my feelings towards SISU.

If this truly represents the Council's ethics, then in some ways it's hardly a surprise to see them dragged into court. If they can't be trusted to tell us the truth then what other way is there to force them to do it?

 

[chiefdave]

If I deliberately and clearly misled a customer in this way, then I'd expect to be disciplined if not actually sacked. Councillors can seemingly make up whatever they want without censure - that doesn't sit well with me, regardless of my feelings towards SISU.

As far as I can tell from speaking to the local government ombudsman there is no system in place for the electorate to even register a complaint about elected officials demonstrably lying to the electorate let alone any chance of them receiving any disciplinary action over it.

 

[Nick]

As far as I can tell from speaking to the local government ombudsman there is no system in place for the electorate to even register a complaint about elected officials demonstrably lying to the electorate let alone any chance of them receiving any disciplinary action over it.

We have seen the action that happens though when they do something wrong. Either change the rules so that it isn't breaking them any more or a slap on the wrist.