Wasps on the up? I hope not! (1 Viewer)

[SkyblueBazza]

They aren't really though, are they?

People usually go to football and the football match is the main event, it's what they are there for. Of course when you get to the Premier League they have more fancy stuff going on and the gimmicks but it is still about the football.

If somebody is going to a Rugby match for other reasons other than a Rugby match then it's pretty hard to sustain, especially if they were going to the event and not paying. If they then have to pay £25 are they still going to go without fireworks or a fair?

Well Bath do charge £25 a ticket, if you are lucky enough to get one. Not so many frills either.

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[SkyblueBazza]

Every time I think of getting into domestic rugby I read a comment like this and think again. Even for a public school boy like me the stereotyping is nauseating.

Well the only bad language I heard ALL DAY was from my mate & that was in hushed tones apart from when we were in the car. That has NEVER happened to me at foorball (even kids football when my then 5yr old started playing)

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[SkyblueBazza]

But I have just pointed out the example of when we filled the stadium the same with kids and parents, made an event (granted, no fireworks etc ) and there wasn't any trouble at all?

I'm not too sure what point you are trying to make? Yes, football is more tribal and passionate than Rugby. More kids and families will attend football matches up and down the country than they will Rugby.

The kids will have loved the Wasps match, the majority of them will remember the fireworks and the fairground and probably couldn't tell you who a Wasps player was, who they were playing or what the score was. That's the difference when it is all about an event that isn't the match. It's no different to our game against Accrington last year, no doubt it is nothing to do with all the freebies we gave away and everything to do with the massive riot that scared the kids away.

Nick...how many arrests or fights have there been at Wasps home games this season? How many at CCFC home games?

I don't know the numbers...but if I was forced to put money on it - I know where said money would go! In fact I do not even remember seeing a policeman today apart from in cars on the motorway trip there & back!!!

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[Liquid Gold]

Well the only bad language I heard ALL DAY was from my mate & that was in hushed tones apart from when we were in the car. That has NEVER happened to me at foorball (even kids football when my then 5yr old started playing)

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If you think Rugby is so great then go and watch it, nobody is stopping you. Doesn't change the fact that football is better attended by every age group across the country so it can't be that bad.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

No it says more about someone who is won over by freebies. Just like King Vichai at Leicester.

Yes...well there is a saying about not looking a gift horse in the mouth

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[Nick]

Nick...how many arrests or fights have there been at Wasps home games this season? How many at CCFC home games?

I don't know the numbers...but if I was forced to put money on it - I know where said money would go! In fact I do not even remember seeing a policeman today apart from in cars on the motorway trip there & back!!!

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Why are you trying to make it all about trouble at football matches? It's a bit strange.

Like I said, families and kids will turn out at football matches up and down the country every week to support their team. Nothing to do with the fairground.

Did your miss all the kids on the pitch at half time at our game? My highlight was the disabled kids having a game on the pitch last year, they loved it! The whole ground cheered their goals.

Yes, football does mean passion which means bellends that go to far. Sadly. It's not what you are trying to make out though. Nowhere near.

 

[chiefdave]

I read somewhere (dunno where - that is how much I care) 17k average this season...the highest home ground avg in the premiership.

Given that Wasps attendances have dropped significantly since last season there's little chance they've leapfrogged the three clubs ahead of them last year.

Leicester Tigers are the best supported club in Europe, even if a season of inconsistency saw them miss out on the Aviva Premiership play-offs.

Figures published by the Rugby Paper show that Tigers averaged 22,878 for their home league games at Welford Road during the 2017-18 season. Begles-Bordeaux, who had topped the list for the previous four seasons, were next with 22,000.

Premiership outfits Harlequins and Bath completed the top four with 18,856 and 18,527 respectively.

Also shows how absurd Wasps statement that they will be selling out every game in a couple of years time is. Premiership attendances are trending down and for Wasps to sell out every week they would not only need to buck that trend they would need to be getting 50% more than the best attended team in Europe!

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Football in the modern era?!?! It's not fucking Milwall away in the 80s ffs. I've been taking my son, (now 10) home and away, since he was 4. NEVER has he felt threatened or scared.

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You ask him on a regular basis do ypu?

Have you taken or allowed him to go to watch Wasps? Or any other pro-Rugby team? Then Sk which he prefers? Maybe worth experimenting.

Don't get wrong here, I am a bigger City fan than Bath fan, bit the experience is different & more enjoyable overall at rugby than football. I grew up with football & nailed my flag to the City mast. Have to say I have NEVER seen rugby fans chucking beer about in the bar..alnost lost count of the times I've seen it at football. Different experience

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[SkyblueBazza]

I've been going to city games since 1986 and the closest I've come to being involved in any trouble is when a steward at Wembley got the hump that someone wouldn't stop smoking and tried to kick him out.

Watch: Violent scenes as rugby fans brawl on pitch - Independent.ie
Rugby union crowds have lost the moral high ground - they are as abusive and xenophobic as football fans
Rugby 'banning orders' suggested after fan behaviour during Wales v New Zealand

Yes...reports. i am talking about MY experience today, & previously at pro-level football & rugby. Internationals, league matches & even friendlies

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[SkyblueBazza]

No, tickets for wasps games.

All I'm saying is that you have pointed things out that ccfc have done as well at the community Day, regularly have local football clubs and things on match days. Have you missed all of that at our games?

It just seems like the answer is "yeah but football might be more violent".

Of course, the kids will have loved the fireworks and the fair. How many will be lifelong wasps fans when the is no fair or fire works?

Don't know...only time will tell

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[chiefdave]

Nick...how many arrests or fights have there been at Wasps home games this season? How many at CCFC home games?

15 arrests at our games at the Ricoh last season out of a total attendance of 212,863.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

If you think Rugby is so great then go and watch it, nobody is stopping you. Doesn't change the fact that football is better attended by every age group across the country so it can't be that bad.

Not disputed - football is bigger. I just felt compelled to comment based on my experience today compared to what I was perhaps hoping or expecring to experience based on much of what I read in this forum about Wasps

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[Liquid Gold]

Not disputed - football is bigger. I just felt compelled to comment based on my experience today compared to what I was perhaps hoping or expecring to experience based on much of what I read in this forum about Wasps

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That isn't just what you've done though is it, you've said this is my experience at London Wasps and it's better than football because football is full of violent thugs.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Given that Wasps attendances have dropped significantly since last season there's little chance they've leapfrogged the three clubs ahead of them last year.

Also shows how absurd Wasps statement that they will be selling out every game in a couple of years time is. Premiership attendances are trending down and for Wasps to sell out every week they would not only need to buck that trend they would need to be getting 50% more than the best attended team in Europe!

So what? I am pleased for you if that makes you feel good. It really doesn't bother me

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[SkyblueBazza]

15 arrests at our games at the Ricoh last season out of a total attendance of 212,863.

As compared to..?

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well whilst you skyblue-blooded partisans rant about them...I am pretty sure the club is grateful for every penny they can get from them.

Are you one of those socialist leaning types that pour scorn on all the '...ist' elements of society only to behave the relative same toward Wasps & their fans?

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Yes it would just be nice if they turned up a lot more often...seriously.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Why are you trying to make it all about trouble at football matches? It's a bit strange.

Like I said, families and kids will turn out at football matches up and down the country every week to support their team. Nothing to do with the fairground.

Did your miss all the kids on the pitch at half time at our game? My highlight was the disabled kids having a game on the pitch last year, they loved it! The whole ground cheered their goals.

Yes, football does mean passion which means bellends that go to far. Sadly. It's not what you are trying to make out though. Nowhere near.

Not trouble as such - unpleasant or intimidatory or at least a high potential of becoming so. Many parents would prefer to take the family to events where they feel that 'element' is less prevalent.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yes...well there is a saying about not looking a gift horse in the mouth

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And a franchise built on sand

 

[chiefdave]

As compared to..?

No figures are published for rugby.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Why are you trying to make it all about trouble at football matches? It's a bit strange.

Like I said, families and kids will turn out at football matches up and down the country every week to support their team. Nothing to do with the fairground.

Did your miss all the kids on the pitch at half time at our game? My highlight was the disabled kids having a game on the pitch last year, they loved it! The whole ground cheered their goals.

Yes, football does mean passion which means bellends that go to far. Sadly. It's not what you are trying to make out though. Nowhere near.

Whst am I 'trying to make out'??? I have been to the Ricoh to watch a game of rugby. The home side lost. I was an away fan. I enjoyed the whole experience. Much of the stuff I dislike when I go tp football matches was missing from today. Which is probably why I enjoyed it.
Many on here knock people for gping to watch Wasps for some pretty focused reasons - but given what saw, I can understand why they do. And I would hazard a guess most of them were local, most of them bought their tickets, most of them were disappointed as Wasps lost, & virtually all of them had a good day out withput upsetting anyone else.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

You ask him on a regular basis do ypu?

Have you taken or allowed him to go to watch Wasps? Or any other pro-Rugby team? Then Sk which he prefers? Maybe worth experimenting.

Don't get wrong here, I am a bigger City fan than Bath fan, bit the experience is different & more enjoyable overall at rugby than football. I grew up with football & nailed my flag to the City mast. Have to say I have NEVER seen rugby fans chucking beer about in the bar..alnost lost count of the times I've seen it at football. Different experience

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Calls to crackdown on drunk fans at rugby match days

'Supt Morgan believes Welsh rugby fans cause more problem for British Transport Police officers than football fans.

A Freedom of Information request has found that South Wales Police saw a 61 per cent increase in reports of violent crimes during home Six Nations matches between 2015 and 2017.

Over recent weeks many rugby fans have complained about anti-social drinking affecting the atmosphere within the Principality Stadium. Complaints range from people constantly getting up from their seats to visit the bar and obscuring people’s views, to more serious issues of crowd disturbances and anti-social behaviour.

Rugby journalist Graham Thomas has recently spoken out about the drinking culture within the stadium after a fan threw a pint of beer into the press area, damaging a fellow reporter’s laptop. He describes the stadium as “the world’s biggest Wetherspoons.”

 

[Liquid Gold]

Not trouble as such - unpleasant or intimidatory or at least a high potential of becoming so. Many parents would prefer to take the family to events where they feel that 'element' is less prevalent.

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That event isn't rugby as many many more families are at the football than the rugby.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not trouble as such - unpleasant or intimidatory or at least a high potential of becoming so. Many parents would prefer to take the family to events where they feel that 'element' is less prevalent.

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Let's be honest that 'element' is only really in the 'naughty corner' which does outrageous things like attempt to provide an atmosphere

 

[SkyblueBazza]

That isn't just what you've done though is it, you've said this is my experience at London Wasps and it's better than football because football is full of violent thugs.

Not sure where I said most of that. I never even said 'London' for a start. Nor even 'better' & certainly not 'football is full of violent thugs'.

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[SkyblueBazza]

No figures are published for rugby.

Well if you want to convince me - freedom of information & a few calculations would help...but then I would probably ask how many incidents or arrests are made away from the ground involving fans?

Like I say - such was the concern of the police - I don't recall seeing any at all connected with the game/event

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[SkyblueBazza]

Calls to crackdown on drunk fans at rugby match days

'Supt Morgan believes Welsh rugby fans cause more problem for British Transport Police officers than football fans.

A Freedom of Information request has found that South Wales Police saw a 61 per cent increase in reports of violent crimes during home Six Nations matches between 2015 and 2017.

Over recent weeks many rugby fans have complained about anti-social drinking affecting the atmosphere within the Principality Stadium. Complaints range from people constantly getting up from their seats to visit the bar and obscuring people’s views, to more serious issues of crowd disturbances and anti-social behaviour.

Rugby journalist Graham Thomas has recently spoken out about the drinking culture within the stadium after a fan threw a pint of beer into the press area, damaging a fellow reporter’s laptop. He describes the stadium as “the world’s biggest Wetherspoons.”

Fair point...as I went with a Welshman today he'd appreciate me quipping that that is the Welsh for you. Seriously, I am only able to say what my experience & observations are.

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[SkyblueBazza]

That event isn't rugby as many many more families are at the football than the rugby.

Hmmm...not so sure about that one. I suspect (no I haven't counted or looked up numbers - perhaps you will seek some, I shall not) families form a greater proportion of attendees at rugby the football

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Fair point...as I went with a Welshman today he'd appreciate me quipping that that is the Welsh for you. Seriously, I am only able to say what my experience & observations are.

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Empirical evidence trumps personal anecdotes. None of this is a particular gripe at you...just the outdated opinions of rugby aficionados who have somewhat Thatcherite views of modern day football fans. I have a fundamental problem with being treated like a budding hooligan at a football match but trusted to drink and watch a game of rugby. In 20-odd years of going to football have I ever felt unsafe or intimidated? Nope

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Let's be honest that 'element' is only really in the 'naughty corner' which does outrageous things like attempt to provide an atmosphere

But a lot of potential fans avoid the environment where they feel their family unit will be even witnessing said naugty-corner nut cases

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[Liquid Gold]

Hmmm...not so sure about that one. I suspect (no I haven't counted or looked up numbers - perhaps you will seek some, I shall not) families form a greater proportion of attendees at rugby the football

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If we're just going on things we've witnessed instead of paying any notice to the facts provided then in my experience rugby is almost exclusively attended by middle aged white cornishmen.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But a lot of potential fans avoid the environment where they feel their family unit will be even witnessing said naugty-corner nut cases

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If by nut cases you mean a few hundred (if that) young men singing and one guy beating a drum. Blowing things out of proportion I think, this isn't 1985

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Empirical evidence trumps personal anecdotes. None of this is a particular gripe at you...just the outdated opinions of rugby aficionados who have somewhat Thatcherite views of modern day football fans. I have a fundamental problem with being treated like a budding hooligan at a football match but trusted to drink and watch a game of rugby. In 20-odd years of going to football have I ever felt unsafe or intimidated? Nope

Personally, 40yrs attending football. I have been kicked once. Surrounded by drink-fuelled (or not) foul-mouthed baiting 'hard-nuts' playing to the gallery (home & away) many many times.
Rufby I have been going (not especially regularly) for about 15yrs & have seen only 1 incident I felt was over the top. A group of about 8 beer-fuelled lads downstairs (i.e. not even watching the match) giving it large to each other. They were seemingly all pals. At footballs that kinda of thing I see 2-3 tines a game in & around the & if it involves baiting opposing fans they seem to enjoy it more

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[SkyblueBazza]

If we're just going on things we've witnessed instead of paying any notice to the facts provided then in my experience rugby is almost exclusively attended by middle aged white cornishmen.

Lol...funny but we are in danger of straying from the main point about the big bad Wasps invading 'our' space & the distaste sime here have for anyone that dares to set foot in the Ricoh for a Wasps' game.

The audiences they attract are not the same. The sports have a different level of appreciation/acceptance/popularity. They can co-exist.

Ideally Wasps would rent their stadium from CCFC. We would all applaud that as it is extra income. Our owners messed it up imo so in fact it is the other way around.
Wasps owners wanted it more than ours did in the end. They stand or fall based on what they have taken on.



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[SkyblueBazza]

If by nut cases you mean a few hundred (if that) young men singing and one guy beating a drum. Blowing things out of proportion I think, this isn't 1985

No - not what I mean at all

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Personally, 40yrs attending football. I have been kicked once. Surrounded by drink-fuelled (or not) foul-mouthed baiting 'hard-nuts' playing to the gallery (home & away) many many times.
Rufby I have been going (not especially regularly) for about 15yrs & have seen only 1 incident I felt was over the top. A group of about 8 beer-fuelled lads downstairs (i.e. not even watching the match) giving it large to each other. They were seemingly all pals. At footballs that kinda of thing I see 2-3 tines a game in & around the & if it involves baiting opposing fans they seem to enjoy it more

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Again-anecdotal evidence is meaningless. Even the empirical measure of arrests made at fixtures needs to be put in context of police presence to detect the 'offences' in the first place, the influence of it on fan behaviour etc etc

Lol...funny but we are in danger of straying from the main point about the big bad Wasps invading 'our' space & the distaste sime here have for anyone that dares to set foot in the Ricoh for a Wasps' game.

The audiences they attract are not the same. The sports have a different level of appreciation/acceptance/popularity. They can co-exist.

Ideally Wasps would rent their stadium from CCFC. We would all applaud that as it is extra income. Our owners messed it up imo so in fact it is the other way around.
Wasps owners wanted it more than ours did in the end. They stand or fall based on what they have taken on.

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You're quite free to go...but it's then a bit odd to write about it in glowing terms on a Cov forum when Wasps have made it impossible for the football club to ever get a stake in the ground that was built for them. Not to mention they have done so by shifting a team a long way from its home and shitting on its traditional fanbase in the process. What did you expect in response?

No - not what I mean at all

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So what did you mean other than to say parents feel uneasy at the sight of a few dozen men singing songs?