...increase in migrants across the Channel. (16 Viewers)

[ccfc92]

Worth a read. Seems the most extensive in terms of numbers, other reports seems to be based off speaking to a handful of people.
Why do migrants and asylum seekers want to come to the UK?

However, it is now over 2 years out of date.

 

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[shmmeee]

However, it is now over 2 years out of date.

Do we have data to show what’s changed since then?

 

[shmmeee]

What the fuck happened to this country?

Well, we had a really good navy and mastered coal effectively as well as international diplomacy, allowing us to conquer most of the world.

Then we had to give it all back, but thanks to hundreds of years of influence both soft and hard maintained power well above our status thanks to being at the center of: the biggest trading block, the special relationship with America, the English language being used everywhere, our economy giving us a seat at all the biggest tables.

Then modern travel and info tech allowed people from all over the world to travel here and the worst of them to have their actions amplified beyond the capability of the human mind to understand risk and statistics. This, coupled with stagnation of conditions for the working class due to a move away from an industrial based economy to a services one, lead to people not liking the changes they’re seeing and being told it’s our international cooperative relations that are the problem.

So we voted Brexit, helped along by a resurgent Russia, who particularly enjoy the digital age, and a bunch of politicians who couldn’t govern their way out of a wet paper bag.

Now a significant chunk of population believe that the best thing we can do is sabotage our economy and withdraw from every relationship that gives us power on the world stage. While still no one has a solution for the stagnation of living standards and mobility for the working class, or the dissolution of social cohesion caused by a reduction in mass social activities like factory work or church.

Tl;dr: it’s all gone to the dogs innit?

 

[Astute]

Do we have data to show what’s changed since then?

A lot has changed since. The one thing that hasn't changed is graphs showing details not showing the real truth and unless you read all details you would believe the graphs.

So although we are the hardest country to get to we had the 8th highest asylum applications in the EU. But back to what I said at the start of this post. They state we had the 8th highest but put up a graph of asylum seekers against our current population in 2015. So we dropped to 17th out of 28.

Main changes?

Hungary was top for asylum seekers in 2015. How about now?

Hungary Reduces Number Of Asylum-Seekers It Will Admit To 2 Per Day

Hungary: Asylum Seekers Denied Food

It maybe explains better why they are willing to risk their lives to get here. They feel more welcome here than elsewhere. And if you have read that old link you will see that it is what many said why they came here. Yet much is said against us especially on here.

 

[Astute]

Well, we had a really good navy and mastered coal effectively as well as international diplomacy, allowing us to conquer most of the world.

Then we had to give it all back, but thanks to hundreds of years of influence both soft and hard maintained power well above our status thanks to being at the center of: the biggest trading block, the special relationship with America, the English language being used everywhere, our economy giving us a seat at all the biggest tables.

Then modern travel and info tech allowed people from all over the world to travel here and the worst of them to have their actions amplified beyond the capability of the human mind to understand risk and statistics. This, coupled with stagnation of conditions for the working class due to a move away from an industrial based economy to a services one, lead to people not liking the changes they’re seeing and being told it’s our international cooperative relations that are the problem.

So we voted Brexit, helped along by a resurgent Russia, who particularly enjoy the digital age, and a bunch of politicians who couldn’t govern their way out of a wet paper bag.

Now a significant chunk of population believe that the best thing we can do is sabotage our economy and withdraw from every relationship that gives us power on the world stage. While still no one has a solution for the stagnation of living standards and mobility for the working class, or the dissolution of social cohesion caused by a reduction in mass social activities like factory work or church.

Tl;dr: it’s all gone to the dogs innit?

So Brexit is all down to Russia and MP's?

 

[martcov]

For the reasons I’ve explained. The far right did not exist in east Germany as they were prohibited when under the control of the USSR - the uprising was against foreign entrants to the country trying to find jobs in the ports. This created xenophobia from an insulated state from the communists who’ve always despised foreigners wherever they come from

Not true. There were right wingers in the DDR. Watched and unable to do much. The communists brought Vietnamese and some Africans from Socialist states in. There were no jobs in the ports. They closed the yards, or they were being held open with subsidies. But, you are right that there were hardly any foreigners there. After the Wende Westerners were sent over to run the businesses and retrain people. They were resented by some who were laid off or jealousies them getting „west wages“ and often extra money for going to the run down east. In effect they were „foreigners“. The state run businesses were in terrible shape and had to be rebuilt at a cost in staffing. The people I met were on retraining schemes, early retirees, on „Kurzzeit-Null“ or „Kurzzeit“. Kurzzeit-Null meant you were employed, but didn’t go to work. The government and employer paid you a small wage for not working. Unemployment was high, so I don’t know who was taking jobs.. apart from managers and their assistants from the West.

 

[martcov]

So Brexit is all down to Russia and MP's?

No. No one said it was.

 

[martcov]

A lot has changed since. The one thing that hasn't changed is graphs showing details not showing the real truth and unless you read all details you would believe the graphs.

So although we are the hardest country to get to we had the 8th highest asylum applications in the EU. But back to what I said at the start of this post. They state we had the 8th highest but put up a graph of asylum seekers against our current population in 2015. So we dropped to 17th out of 28.

Main changes?

Hungary was top for asylum seekers in 2015. How about now?

Hungary Reduces Number Of Asylum-Seekers It Will Admit To 2 Per Day

Hungary: Asylum Seekers Denied Food

It maybe explains better why they are willing to risk their lives to get here. They feel more welcome here than elsewhere. And if you have read that old link you will see that it is what many said why they came here. Yet much is said against us especially on here.

I read the first sentence. It said to rejected asylum seekers in Transitcamps and only since August.

 

[Grendel]

Not true. There were right wingers in the DDR. Watched and unable to do much. The communists brought Vietnamese and some Africans from Socialist states in. There were no jobs in the ports. They closed the yards, or they were being held open with subsidies. But, you are right that there were hardly any foreigners there. After the Wende Westerners were sent over to run the businesses and retrain people. They were resented by some who were laid off or jealousies them getting „west wages“ and often extra money for going to the run down east. In effect they were „foreigners“. The state run businesses were in terrible shape and had to be rebuilt at a cost in staffing. The people I met were on retraining schemes, early retirees, on „Kurzzeit-Null“ or „Kurzzeit“. Kurzzeit-Null meant you were employed, but didn’t go to work. The government and employer paid you a small wage for not working. Unemployment was high, so I don’t know who was taking jobs.. apart from managers and their assistants from the West.

The “right wingers” as you describe them were in fact trying to hold onto the communist policies. You’re constant attempt to try and label extremism as right wing is tiresome

I’m sure you must of written the script for that anti Brexit pile of crap masquerading as a crime thriller over Christmas

 

[martcov]

The “right wingers” as you describe them were in fact trying to hold onto the communist policies. You’re constant attempt to try and label extremism as right wing is tiresome

I’m sure you must of written the script for that anti Brexit pile of crap masquerading as a crime thriller over Christmas

Having Swastikas. Beating up people in youth camps run by social workers ( lefties ), chasing the customers of brothels naked through the streets in Dresden ( as the Nazis had done ) hints more at right wingers than left wingers. Their leader in Dresden was shot by a pimp after that with the brothel customers. They held a Nazi Style Mahnwache on the site where he was shot. I didn’t know about anyone trying to hold on to communist policies, although there were rumours about ex Stasi officers trying to form some sort of protection rackets.

The right wing is still on the streets and present in the football stadiums of East Germany ( e.g. Chemnitz ).

People in the East wear „I love HTLR“ T Shirts at „Rock Concerts“ where they chant Sieg Heil to the music.

Chemnitz was Karl Marx Stadt. First thing they did was revert to Chemnitz. Not exactly a left wing thing to do.

I will get some laughs when I tell people that idiots on the leave side are claiming that East Germany was forcibly integrated into the EU.

Funny how you try and deny the similarities in far right actions in various countries.

Any comments on the right winger who drove into foreigners to solve the perceived problems with immigration? You’ll probably say he’s a leftie.

 

[Grendel]

Having Swastikas. Beating up people in youth camps run by social workers ( lefties ), chasing the customers of brothels naked through the streets in Dresden ( as the Nazis had done ) hints more at right wingers than left wingers. Their leader in Dresden was shot by a pimp after that with the brothel customers. They held a Nazi Style Mahnwache on the site where he was shot. I didn’t know about anyone trying to hold on to communist policies, although there were rumours about ex Stasi officers trying to form some sort of protection rackets.

The right wing is still on the streets and present in the football stadiums of East Germany ( e.g. Chemnitz ).

People in the East wear „I love HTLR“ T Shirts at „Rock Concerts“ where they chant Sieg Heil to the music.

Chemnitz was Karl Marx Stadt. First thing they did was revert to Chemnitz. Not exactly a left wing thing to do.

I will get some laughs when I tell people that idiots on the leave side are claiming that East Germany was forcibly integrated into the EU.

Funny how you try and deny the similarities in far right actions in various countries.

Any comments on the right winger who drove into foreigners to solve the perceived problems with immigration? You’ll probably say he’s a leftie.

I thought we were talking about 1 specific alleged incident that occurred over 25 years ago?

 

[martcov]

I thought we were talking about 1 specific alleged incident that occurred over 25 years ago?

You were making out that the people who attacked me weren’t right wing. The incidents I quoted happened in the nineties. Lefties were not beating people up as a rule. The latest incident is from now.- obviously. And a reference to the evolution of street fighters and thugs into the more organised and more open right that is present now. The present „concerts“ are attended by people from the U.K. and the Pegida is linked to the UK through Tommy Pobinson and his successors in the Pegida UK. Farage has given a speech at the AfD campaign in Berlin.

 

[martcov]

The “right wingers” as you describe them were in fact trying to hold onto the communist policies. You’re constant attempt to try and label extremism as right wing is tiresome

I’m sure you must of written the script for that anti Brexit pile of crap masquerading as a crime thriller over Christmas

I have nothing to do with the Brexit pile of crap at Christmas or otherwise.

 

[Astute]

The “right wingers” as you describe them were in fact trying to hold onto the communist policies. You’re constant attempt to try and label extremism as right wing is tiresome

I’m sure you must of written the script for that anti Brexit pile of crap masquerading as a crime thriller over Christmas

Remember that Mart has constantly said right wingers in Germany are not a problem. Farage is supposed to be a bigger problem in the UK.

 

[martcov]

Remember that Mart has constantly said right wingers in Germany are not a problem. Farage is supposed to be a bigger problem in the UK.

I have never said right wingers are not a problem. I have said that AfD is stronger in the East, is only 6% where I am and no party will work together with them in state or national parliaments. Farage is a massive problem because he gets so much airtime in the UK although he holds no elected office in the UK. He has massive Brexit press backing.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The refugees are apparently Iranian Kurds according to the news and one poster on here. Those were the people landing in dinghies who you were on about.

I was asked questions as to what happened, and whether they came from the West. I answered the questions.

Now you've asked me another. I'll answer and then you will say I am banging on about it. Anyway. What happened is that the adrenalin kicked in. I felt no pain whatsoever. I knew exactly what happened. I tried to stay up, but after being whacked again, I thought the better of it and let myself fall. I knew I had a lot of money on me and lay with the money under me to save what I could. I found a taxi at the night club I had just left by feeling the cars until I found one with a taxi sign on by feeling it blind. The blood and the pepper spray were in my eyes. There were no mobiles and few public phones in East Germany. I just said 'casualty please'. I said he had to get the money the next day from my staff. I couln't contact anyone by phone and I was living in a squat. Hardly any hotels there at that time. Some people in Rostock collected to buy a walkman and tapes for me in the hospital and bought me flowers. They were sickened by what was going on. Any more questions? Or are you going back to your 200 invading refugees or chancers?

What importance am I justifying? I don't think I am important. I am not hero I was looking myself and my firm's money. I wasn't saving anyone. Just saying what happened because someone asked me. If you are not interested, why keep reading my posts? There must be a pub where you can piss people off near you.

Why keep reading mine? It seems you've been beaten up more than I have so don'' t lecture me about pissing people off. Classic hypocrite you are matey .

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Remember that Mart has constantly said right wingers in Germany are not a problem. Farage is supposed to be a bigger problem in the UK.

He's completely mad, and that's not farage.

 

[Astute]

He's completely mad, and that's not farage.

Not reading what he says. It changes with the wind. And had enough of stupid arguments.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The “right wingers” as you describe them were in fact trying to hold onto the communist policies. You’re constant attempt to try and label extremism as right wing is tiresome

I’m sure you must of written the script for that anti Brexit pile of crap masquerading as a crime thriller over Christmas

Let's be honest G this is a society where proposing a £10 minimum wage and investment in education makes you an insane hard left lunatic but putting up defamatory billboards of immigrants is 'right of centre'. Theresa's proposal to reinstate a 3 tier education system is considered 'centrist'.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So Brexit is all down to Russia and MP's?

Don't really buy Russian influence as a major factor but the Tories calling the referendum without planning for a Leave vote and then ballsing up negotiations for 2 years does make politicians at least partly responsible. Though our media have successfully convinced ordinary people to vote against their own self interest for decades and will continue to do so. Splinter the electorate so they blame the latest scapegoat rather than look at who really pulls the strings.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Not reading what he says. It changes with the wind. And had enough of stupid arguments.

I've just blocked him and my laptop runs a lot quicker now.

 

[Astute]

Don't really buy Russian influence as a major factor but the Tories calling the referendum without planning for a Leave vote and then ballsing up negotiations for 2 years does make politicians at least partly responsible. Though our media have successfully convinced ordinary people to vote against their own self interest for decades and will continue to do so. Splinter the electorate so they blame the latest scapegoat rather than look at who really pulls the strings.

The whole mess was started by Cameron buying votes off UKIP. And the mess has got worse because of MP's off all sides. But some people are playing the blame game for fun. As in here where some are trying to blame the influence of Russia.

I blame Cameron more than anyone else. But there is a big list of those who should take at least part of the blame. And a biggie is those MP's who act like children instead of trying to solve our problems.

 

[martcov]

Why keep reading mine? It seems you've been beaten up more than I have so don'' t lecture me about pissing people off. Classic hypocrite you are matey .

I pissed no one off. I was attacked largely for money. You answer every post I make, or you try to get others to back you in your campaign against me. You stalk me like a crazy fan. You’re nuts.

 

[martcov]

Not reading what he says. It changes with the wind. And had enough of stupid arguments.

You obviously don’t read what I say. As for stupid arguments.....

 

[martcov]

I've just blocked him and my laptop runs a lot quicker now.

Fxxking great. Got rid of my crazy stalker at last. Now I will have a drink to celebrate.

 

[martcov]

The whole mess was started by Cameron buying votes off UKIP. And the mess has got worse because of MP's off all sides. But some people are playing the blame game for fun. As in here where some are trying to blame the influence of Russia.

I blame Cameron more than anyone else. But there is a big list of those who should take at least part of the blame. And a biggie is those MP's who act like children instead of trying to solve our problems.

Russia had an influence. People don’t invest in social media advertising for nothing. BeLeave etc also used it because it’s effective. It was not the only influence, but it had an influence.

 

[Grendel]

Russia had an influence. People don’t invest in social media advertising for nothing. BeLeave etc also used it because it’s effective. It was not the only influence, but it had an influence.

Russia have always tried to influence politics in the west - it’s hardly a new concept

 

[Grendel]

Fxxking great. Got rid of my crazy stalker at last. Now I will have a drink to celebrate.

Do you ever think the reason people ignore you as you are like the madman on the bus no-one wants to sit next to?

 

[martcov]

Do you ever think the reason people ignore you as you are like the madman on the bus no-one wants to sit next to?

Look at the people you are talking about: Bazza, Dart, Astute, Dugdale and yourself. Not one of them is known as a reasonable poster.

 

[martcov]

Russia have always tried to influence politics in the west - it’s hardly a new concept

Social media gives them direct access to individuals. That’s new.

 

[Grendel]

Look at the people you are talking about: Bazza, Dart, Astute, Dugdale and yourself. Not one of them is known as a reasonable poster.

No all have an opposing view to you and are bored with your tub thumping extremism

Ask yourself this. Why are you the ONLY person they ignore in this debate?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The whole mess was started by Cameron buying votes off UKIP. And the mess has got worse because of MP's off all sides. But some people are playing the blame game for fun. As in here where some are trying to blame the influence of Russia.

I blame Cameron more than anyone else. But there is a big list of those who should take at least part of the blame. And a biggie is those MP's who act like children instead of trying to solve our problems.

Can't disagree with this. Cameron snuck out the back door with the cash while leaving his successor to pick up the shitshow he left for them. Sure I've already said it but I find Labour demanding another election to be completely reprehensible. Confusing too as they want to carry out Brexit in any case.

 

[martcov]

No all have an opposing view to you and are bored with your tub thumping extremism

Ask yourself this. Why are you the ONLY person they ignore in this debate?

Probably because I answer their crap and expose them.

 

[Grendel]

Social media gives them direct access to individuals. That’s new.

Oh dear. So having the leader of the Labour Party on the KGB payroll was not as influential?

Having the communist party in the 30’s directly as a hotline to Moscow was not as influential?

Did the “far right attack” give you brain damage?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Social media gives them direct access to individuals. That’s new.

This is on a par with my mate who thinks the Salisbury chemical poisoning was organised by MI5 to derail the World Cup. Sorry, not buying it