dongonzalos
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My point on the matter for people want to genuinely debate it and not just post WUM, Morron, idiot, dick head or that wanker icon etc......
Thorn took over from AB when we were on a dreadful losing streak.
We IMO at that point were one dimensional we could not play any other way we were lumping it. AB did the same at Colchester, their fans say that the first half of the season they played direct football, they were up there at the top of the table, then in the second half of the season the opposition knew what was coming and AB had no plan B. Most of their fans were glad when he left for this reason.
Andy Thorn took exactly the same bunch of players got them playing passing football and IMO it was good to watch and I believe he saved us from relegation.
Some people suggest that this was a honeymoon period. I accept that, some teams do get an instant reaction from the change of manager. However not all do and I also think it cant be put just down to that. The new manager has to be doing something right otherwise Cov would have been one of those teams where the honeymoon period did not work. Also he is now achieving the same success so there has to be a different explanation for the drop iin form and the now return to form.
I think Thorn looked at the players we had and decided they were more suited to passing football, that suited those particular players and it worked.
He was definately not the first choice. According to Ranson he recommended him. However I think we all know SISU went for him as a cheap option. I think this is why some people dislike him.
People say he is just a scout and is too inexperienced. Well he has played football at the top level. Yes he was a scout but so what, Jose Mourinho was an interpreter for Bobby Robson. So I dont see how that really is an issue. ( no I am not saying he is the new Mourinho)
All managers have to start somewhere Coventry are currently a lower championship side so why are Coventry not suitable for a new young manager to start his career.
I believe he has a good reputation as a scout which to me suggests he has the ability to see whether someone is a good player and envisage how they will fit into a team.
I see this as a positive I find it strange that people see it as a negative.
Coventry lost Westwood, Turner, Gunnarson and King. The reasons why are a different debate. Carlsey and Mcindoe retired.
These were replaced with McDonald and Murphy. I think Westwood is better than Murphy. However Murphy is a good enough replacement to limit that damage too much. McDDonald may be a good replacement for King in the future but he got injured so only time will tell.
Now if you lose 6 players and bring in 2, to what was in IMO already a bit of a small squad I think that is likely to have a negative impact on the ability of that team to preform the same as it was before you did this.
Now you may say Mcindoe was crap however he was a senior pro with experience. I would not have wanted him at Cov for another season but I would have preferred if once he left he was replaced with a senior championship pro. I also feel the same about Carsley.
So I honestly believe it is a big ask to lose 6 experienced first team players 2 of which were your best players and replace them with 2 players and expect exactly the same performances or better from the team.
People say we are now succeeding as Thorn is no longer making mistakes. Every manager makes mistakes even Ferguson. When I have asked on here what mistakes is Thorn making. The only thing people have replied with was not making substitutions quicker. My belief on that subject was if the subs bench had players on it that were better than what was on the pitch he would have made the changes.
I think this has been demonstrated by the fact that now he does have a stronger subs bench he is making the changes and those changes seem to make an impact.
However if tomorrow on the back of the telegraph it says Clingan, Cameron, Mcdonald, Deegan out for 6 weeks. We will go back to kids on the bench. We may start losing games again. IMO this would not then be down to Thorn making mistakes but it would be mostly due to the lack of depth in our squad because of the situation we are in.
Thorn lost his top striker in January he was allowed to make a couple of signings he chose Nimely and Norwood. Now some say this was easy they play for Man Utd and Man City. Well many players have gone out on loan from these clubs and have not had the impact of Nimely or Norwood. So I think unless somebody knows different I think Thorn should be given credit for those signings.
Now we lost 6 in the summer 2 in January all senior pros and we have signed 5. I dont think it is coincidence that once the squad has a little bit more depth then the results have picked up. However I would prefer it to have been 8 out 8 in but that is the situation we are in. Also Fat Freddie was a twat and was another experienced pro effectively not avaialable. It is a shame about Herman. Some could say that was Thorns fault looking at Hermans record. So that one could have been a mistake.
Thorn has now having a similar run to what he had at the end of last season.
I dont think he has suddenly changed his tactics I dont think he is suddenly not making mistakes. I think he has more depth of squad and has a couple of options. Clarke has come back from injury. Cody, Clingan and Cameron have come back from injury. We need Wood back from Injury.
Some say Thorn was chosing to play the youngsters. I think the fact that Christie, Bigi and Thomas now are rotated and play a bit here and there, shows that having the options then Thorn would have used them sparingly and developed them.
Don't get me wrong I think they are good players with great potential. However they should not be week in week out players that we depend on. That is not just about age it is about their readiness for a full season.
Norwood and Nimely seem more ready and so are more consistent.
So in summary Thorn like every manager makes mistakes putting fat freddie on for 2 minutes is one I certainly agree with.
I accept everything is not black and white and there are shades of grey. However something tips the balance and is the difference between a winning run and a losing one.
IMO this balance has been tipped in these circumstances not by Thorn suddenly not making mistakes but most important factor has been a greater depth in the squad by his good signings and a couple of players returning from injury.
I hope he keeps us up and I hope we dont lose him as a manager in the summer. If he does keep us up I think other clubs may have a bit of look at him.
The general consensus in the media on Radio 5 and Talk Sport seems to be a bit of shock at what Coventry are doing under the financial constraints. That will not go un noticed with other clubs.
If Thorn discovers SISU may do another fire sale. He may look at it and think I am on a hiding to nothing. A club that is willing to let him sign a few players maybe more tempting to him.
I personally would like to see him get another years contract whether we stay up or go down.
I initially said a 5 year contract on this. I was rightly shot down on that one but I think at least a year.
Anyway no winding up that is my genuine views. I am interested in hearing what mistakes people think Thorn is now not making and/or why it is some people do not think he is the right man for the job.
Thorn took over from AB when we were on a dreadful losing streak.
We IMO at that point were one dimensional we could not play any other way we were lumping it. AB did the same at Colchester, their fans say that the first half of the season they played direct football, they were up there at the top of the table, then in the second half of the season the opposition knew what was coming and AB had no plan B. Most of their fans were glad when he left for this reason.
Andy Thorn took exactly the same bunch of players got them playing passing football and IMO it was good to watch and I believe he saved us from relegation.
Some people suggest that this was a honeymoon period. I accept that, some teams do get an instant reaction from the change of manager. However not all do and I also think it cant be put just down to that. The new manager has to be doing something right otherwise Cov would have been one of those teams where the honeymoon period did not work. Also he is now achieving the same success so there has to be a different explanation for the drop iin form and the now return to form.
I think Thorn looked at the players we had and decided they were more suited to passing football, that suited those particular players and it worked.
He was definately not the first choice. According to Ranson he recommended him. However I think we all know SISU went for him as a cheap option. I think this is why some people dislike him.
People say he is just a scout and is too inexperienced. Well he has played football at the top level. Yes he was a scout but so what, Jose Mourinho was an interpreter for Bobby Robson. So I dont see how that really is an issue. ( no I am not saying he is the new Mourinho)
All managers have to start somewhere Coventry are currently a lower championship side so why are Coventry not suitable for a new young manager to start his career.
I believe he has a good reputation as a scout which to me suggests he has the ability to see whether someone is a good player and envisage how they will fit into a team.
I see this as a positive I find it strange that people see it as a negative.
Coventry lost Westwood, Turner, Gunnarson and King. The reasons why are a different debate. Carlsey and Mcindoe retired.
These were replaced with McDonald and Murphy. I think Westwood is better than Murphy. However Murphy is a good enough replacement to limit that damage too much. McDDonald may be a good replacement for King in the future but he got injured so only time will tell.
Now if you lose 6 players and bring in 2, to what was in IMO already a bit of a small squad I think that is likely to have a negative impact on the ability of that team to preform the same as it was before you did this.
Now you may say Mcindoe was crap however he was a senior pro with experience. I would not have wanted him at Cov for another season but I would have preferred if once he left he was replaced with a senior championship pro. I also feel the same about Carsley.
So I honestly believe it is a big ask to lose 6 experienced first team players 2 of which were your best players and replace them with 2 players and expect exactly the same performances or better from the team.
People say we are now succeeding as Thorn is no longer making mistakes. Every manager makes mistakes even Ferguson. When I have asked on here what mistakes is Thorn making. The only thing people have replied with was not making substitutions quicker. My belief on that subject was if the subs bench had players on it that were better than what was on the pitch he would have made the changes.
I think this has been demonstrated by the fact that now he does have a stronger subs bench he is making the changes and those changes seem to make an impact.
However if tomorrow on the back of the telegraph it says Clingan, Cameron, Mcdonald, Deegan out for 6 weeks. We will go back to kids on the bench. We may start losing games again. IMO this would not then be down to Thorn making mistakes but it would be mostly due to the lack of depth in our squad because of the situation we are in.
Thorn lost his top striker in January he was allowed to make a couple of signings he chose Nimely and Norwood. Now some say this was easy they play for Man Utd and Man City. Well many players have gone out on loan from these clubs and have not had the impact of Nimely or Norwood. So I think unless somebody knows different I think Thorn should be given credit for those signings.
Now we lost 6 in the summer 2 in January all senior pros and we have signed 5. I dont think it is coincidence that once the squad has a little bit more depth then the results have picked up. However I would prefer it to have been 8 out 8 in but that is the situation we are in. Also Fat Freddie was a twat and was another experienced pro effectively not avaialable. It is a shame about Herman. Some could say that was Thorns fault looking at Hermans record. So that one could have been a mistake.
Thorn has now having a similar run to what he had at the end of last season.
I dont think he has suddenly changed his tactics I dont think he is suddenly not making mistakes. I think he has more depth of squad and has a couple of options. Clarke has come back from injury. Cody, Clingan and Cameron have come back from injury. We need Wood back from Injury.
Some say Thorn was chosing to play the youngsters. I think the fact that Christie, Bigi and Thomas now are rotated and play a bit here and there, shows that having the options then Thorn would have used them sparingly and developed them.
Don't get me wrong I think they are good players with great potential. However they should not be week in week out players that we depend on. That is not just about age it is about their readiness for a full season.
Norwood and Nimely seem more ready and so are more consistent.
So in summary Thorn like every manager makes mistakes putting fat freddie on for 2 minutes is one I certainly agree with.
I accept everything is not black and white and there are shades of grey. However something tips the balance and is the difference between a winning run and a losing one.
IMO this balance has been tipped in these circumstances not by Thorn suddenly not making mistakes but most important factor has been a greater depth in the squad by his good signings and a couple of players returning from injury.
I hope he keeps us up and I hope we dont lose him as a manager in the summer. If he does keep us up I think other clubs may have a bit of look at him.
The general consensus in the media on Radio 5 and Talk Sport seems to be a bit of shock at what Coventry are doing under the financial constraints. That will not go un noticed with other clubs.
If Thorn discovers SISU may do another fire sale. He may look at it and think I am on a hiding to nothing. A club that is willing to let him sign a few players maybe more tempting to him.
I personally would like to see him get another years contract whether we stay up or go down.
I initially said a 5 year contract on this. I was rightly shot down on that one but I think at least a year.
Anyway no winding up that is my genuine views. I am interested in hearing what mistakes people think Thorn is now not making and/or why it is some people do not think he is the right man for the job.
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