Sol Campbell (25 Viewers)

[Covstu]

You freaking what???

Yep that one was sung a good few times

 

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[hill83]

Yep that one was sung a good few times

Yeah I remember it well.

 

[Covstu]

I don’t know why anyone would want Notts to go down. A great old style club with a long history

Never liked them and yes Nolan didn’t help

 

[oucho]

You are on my list.

WTF

 

[hill83]

WTF

Ha ha, that was a joke by the way.

 

[covcity4life]

Never liked them and yes Nolan didn’t help

Whay reasons bar nolan do you dislike them for?

Genuinly curious

 

[oucho]

Ha ha, that was a joke by the way.

Unlike many others, I don't dismiss the fact that, all things being equal, there ought to be many more pro managers from non-white backgrounds than there are. That's self-evident. Where I have a problem is suggesting that this is due to racism, either conscious or unconscious.

I liken this problem to the fact that there are so few British Asian footballers, and also the fact that Afro-Caribbean communities seem to provide so many fewer top cricketers than they used to. Neither phenomenon would appear to be due to racism, so what's the answer? Perhaps the societal expectations that people have from varying backgrounds has discouraged them from seeking particular paths in life.

At my company we have 900 staff - it's all white collar professional services work. During that time I have met one black man (a team manager) and five black women (tbf one is the marketing director, one is a PA, one is a junior marketing assistant, the other two are receptionists). So you could point at my company and ask the same questions, but the fact is that nobody in the senior management discourages applications from non-white candidates, or reviews them unfavourably. The managers just want the best people in place so that our firm can do as well as possible. I can only conclude that the education system and the marketplace in which we operate hasn't produced/encouraged non-white people who could feasibly be employed by my company.

 

[hill83]

Unlike many others, I don't dismiss the fact that, all things being equal, there ought to be many more pro managers from non-white backgrounds than there are. That's self-evident. Where I have a problem is suggesting that this is due to racism, either conscious or unconscious.

I liken this problem to the fact that there are so few British Asian footballers, and also the fact that Afro-Caribbean communities seem to provide so many fewer top cricketers than they used to. Neither phenomenon would appear to be due to racism, so what's the answer? Perhaps the societal expectations that people have from varying backgrounds has discouraged them from seeking particular paths in life.

At my company we have 900 staff - it's all white collar professional services work. During that time I have met one black man (a team manager) and five black women (tbf one is the marketing director, one is a PA, one is a junior marketing assistant, the other two are receptionists). So you could point at my company and ask the same questions, but the fact is that nobody in the senior management discourages applications from non-white candidates, or reviews them unfavourably. The managers just want the best people in place so that our firm can do as well as possible. I can only conclude that the education system and the marketplace in which we operate hasn't produced/encouraged non-white people who could feasibly be employed by my company.

Loads of non whites in my company. Who also want to employ ‘the best’. Our IT director is Asian for example.

It’s something like 35% I think based on our last survey when they were doing the pay comparison between men and women. At least in our head office in Coventry.

You are running with a few ‘facts’ that aren’t facts and a couple of suppositions there.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/phys...ish-asian-footballers-scouts-professional.amp

It’s all there to be read about if you want to. Written by people who have experienced it.

 

[Grendel]

Unlike many others, I don't dismiss the fact that, all things being equal, there ought to be many more pro managers from non-white backgrounds than there are. That's self-evident. Where I have a problem is suggesting that this is due to racism, either conscious or unconscious.

I liken this problem to the fact that there are so few British Asian footballers, and also the fact that Afro-Caribbean communities seem to provide so many fewer top cricketers than they used to. Neither phenomenon would appear to be due to racism, so what's the answer? Perhaps the societal expectations that people have from varying backgrounds has discouraged them from seeking particular paths in life.

At my company we have 900 staff - it's all white collar professional services work. During that time I have met one black man (a team manager) and five black women (tbf one is the marketing director, one is a PA, one is a junior marketing assistant, the other two are receptionists). So you could point at my company and ask the same questions, but the fact is that nobody in the senior management discourages applications from non-white candidates, or reviews them unfavourably. The managers just want the best people in place so that our firm can do as well as possible. I can only conclude that the education system and the marketplace in which we operate hasn't produced/encouraged non-white people who could feasibly be employed by my company.

In football there is a high proportion of black players. Managers are 99% of the time ex pros. The proportion who are black shows an imbalance,

Darren Moore is the best example. West Brom definitely would never have considered him but for circumstances and he’s doing a far better job then his predecessor

 

[robbiekeane]

Don’t forget about real life jobs too.

Wrong link give me 5 minutes edit: found it

Minority ethnic Britons face 'shocking' job discrimination

Oooh, don’t mention it though. That’s the race card.

Nice straw man argument mate. Fancy having a proper go or..?

 

[hill83]

Nice straw man argument mate. Fancy having a proper go or..?

Not really. It didn’t even need to be a reply to your post. I just thought it needed posting.

 

[hill83]

Why are people so desperate to disprove discrimination. It’s so odd.

 

[usskyblue]

Why are people so desperate to disprove discrimination. It’s so odd.

I have my own thoughts on them m8

 

[covcity4life]

Why are people so desperate to disprove discrimination. It’s so odd.

Ur just bitter because your ankles dont allow you to swim

 

[oucho]

Loads of non whites in my company. Who also want to employ ‘the best’. Our IT director is Asian for example.

It’s something like 35% I think based on our last survey when they were doing the pay comparison between men and women. At least in our head office in Coventry.

You are running with a few ‘facts’ that aren’t facts and a couple of suppositions there.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/phys...ish-asian-footballers-scouts-professional.amp

It’s all there to be read about if you want to. Written by people who have experienced it.

Why are you so keen to try to prove discrimination is rife?

 

[robbiekeane]

Why are people so desperate to disprove discrimination. It’s so odd.

Because there is so much genuine discrimination that needs sorting out, and ridiculous claims like this from an arrogant twat trying to use his race to protect his ego from his own shortcomings only serve to distract and discredit from it.

 

[oucho]

In football there is a high proportion of black players. Managers are 99% of the time ex pros. The proportion who are black shows an imbalance,

Darren Moore is the best example. West Brom definitely would never have considered him but for circumstances and he’s doing a far better job then his predecessor

Read my post again. I specifically stated that there is an observable imbalance.

 

[hill83]

Why are you so keen to try to prove discrimination is rife?

Because I’m sat here reading a thread like this with ‘race card’ being thrown about and loads of self congratulatory back slapping and it does my head in. Thought I’d mix it up a bit.

 

[hill83]

Because there is so much genuine discrimination that needs sorting out, and ridiculous claims like this from an arrogant twat trying to use his race to protect his ego from his own shortcomings only serve to distract and discredit from it.

Can you name any other black public figures who have the courage to speak out, say a female politician for example and gets the same sort of comments as you’ve just posted? Odd that isn’t it.
Literally change ‘his’ to ‘her’ and you are done.

“Keep quiet, they won’t like that”

 

[Grendel]

Why are you so keen to try to prove discrimination is rife?

It’s still pretty commonplace in many areas

 

[oucho]

It’s still pretty commonplace in many areas

Have to honestly say that I have just never seen it in my own experience. Yes a few knuckledraggers at games or pissed wankers in pubs, but that's it.

Of course we have a society which fails to make the most of the skills and talents of its various ethnic minorities. Nobody disputes that. What I do dispute is that there is deliberate, systematic racial discrimination on a widespread basis.

 

[oucho]

Because I’m sat here reading a thread like this with ‘race card’ being thrown about and loads of self congratulatory back slapping and it does my head in. Thought I’d mix it up a bit.

Hill, I have not played the race card or slapped anyone's back. Read the thread again.

 

[hill83]

Hill, I have not played the race card or slapped anyone's back. Read the thread again.

Not sure I said you did.

 

[hill83]

Just realised this is the same thread about how black people cant swim. <More stuff> so that’s why Sol Campbell can’t get a job as manager. ffs!
The lengths people will go to.

Feel free to use ‘swim’ and ‘lengths’ to form a joke.

 

[Grendel]

Have to honestly say that I have just never seen it in my own experience. Yes a few knuckledraggers at games or pissed wankers in pubs, but that's it.

Of course we have a society which fails to make the most of the skills and talents of its various ethnic minorities. Nobody disputes that. What I do dispute is that there is deliberate, systematic racial discrimination on a widespread basis.

Probably as your not on the receiving end of it

 

[Ricketts]

I can remember being at Ewood Park and our fans singing we hope Jack Walker dies in the 90’s every club has a few fans like that

Perhaps they were wishing long life on him. He died in his 70s. (Aged 71)

A bit of a flippant comment in a racist thread, but I thought I would lighten the mood a bit.

Football does attract the racist, the morons and the knuckledraggers, sadly.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Just realised this is the same thread about how black people cant swim. <More stuff> so that’s why Sol Campbell can’t heat a job as manager. ffs!
The lengths people will go to.

Feel free to use ‘swim’ and ‘lengths’ to form a joke.

Just went back and re-read that. Had forgoitten how spectacular that post was!

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Perhaps they were wishing long life on him. He died in his 70s. (Aged 71)

A bit of a flippant comment in a racist thread, but I thought I would lighten the mood a bit.

Football does attract the racist, the morons and the knuckledraggers, sadly.

It was a catchy tune though

 

[robbiekeane]

Can you name any other black public figures who have the courage to speak out, say a female politician for example and gets the same sort of comments as you’ve just posted? Odd that isn’t it.
Literally change ‘his’ to ‘her’ and you are done.

“Keep quiet, they won’t like that”

Oh Jesus Christ, Diane abbott is a fucking idiot. Black white or yellow she is an idiot.

Disappointed in you Hill...you’re usually a reasonable poster, think you have a lot more credible champions for fighting discrimination than Sol Campbell and Diane Abbott hahaha

 

[robbiekeane]

Just realised this is the same thread about how black people cant swim. <More stuff> so that’s why Sol Campbell can’t get a job as manager. ffs!
The lengths people will go to.

Feel free to use ‘swim’ and ‘lengths’ to form a joke.

Do you think Sol Campbell had a shorter England career than he deserved because of his skin colour?

 

[hill83]

Oh Jesus Christ, Diane abbott is a fucking idiot. Black white or yellow she is an idiot.

Disappointed in you Hill...you’re usually a reasonable poster, think you have a lot more credible champions for fighting discrimination than Sol Campbell and Diane Abbott hahaha

Whether she or they are ‘idiots’ or not is irrelevant. Both speak out against racism and both get slated for that. That’s what is shit.

It’s an age old tactic. And now I’m speaking out against it in a small way I’m no longer a ‘reasonable poster’. Yet ‘reckons’ and guesses from other posters are fine.

 

[hill83]

Do you think Sol Campbell had a shorter England career than he deserved because of his skin colour?

Doubt it. Does that make the rest of what I say untrue? What’s your point?

 

[robbiekeane]

Doubt it. Does that make the rest of what I say untrue? What’s your point?

Morning xx

Come on do you really not get my point? They aren’t getting slated for talking out about racism they are getting slated for using it as an excuse for their own shortcomings.

Diane Abbott was absolutely slated because she made a series of fuck ups and is a complete idiot. Not because she is black. People pointed to race as a reason for her getting stick.

Sol Cambells England career ended when it should have. He publicly claimed he is the greatest mind in football. It’s likely that he didn’t get a managers job because of this massive arrogance and very possible that people just didn’t rate his ability or like his character. Yet he says this is due to racism.

Neither are getting slated for speaking out about racism. Morons like this distract from the actual problem. Odd that a seemingly passionate advocate of equality like yourself is so insistent on those two cringeworthy non-examples.

And stop being dramatic and twisting things. I said usually you’re a reasonable poster implying that the specific post is as referencing was not reasonable. Not that you’re all of a sudden not a reasonable poster. Yeesh

 

[hill83]

Morning xx

Come on do you really not get my point? They aren’t getting slated for talking out about racism they are getting slated for using it as an excuse for their own shortcomings.

Diane Abbott was absolutely slated because she made a series of fuck ups and is a complete idiot. Not because she is black. People pointed to race as a reason for her getting stick.

Sol Cambells England career ended when it should have. He publicly claimed he is the greatest mind in football. It’s likely that he didn’t get a managers job because of this massive arrogance and very possible that people just didn’t rate his ability or like his character. Yet he says this is due to racism.

Neither are getting slated for speaking out about racism. Morons like this distract from the actual problem. Odd that a seemingly passionate advocate of equality like yourself is so insistent on those two cringeworthy non-examples.

And stop being dramatic and twisting things. I said usually you’re a reasonable poster implying that the specific post is as referencing was not reasonable. Not that you’re all of a sudden not a reasonable poster. Yeesh

She absolutely constantly gets racist abuse. And it gets brushed under the carpet because she invariably talks nonsense. She does get slated for talking out about it. All the time.

I’m not here to defend Sol Campbell. He gets slated for talking out about it. It’s happened on this very thread. He quite clearly also talks a fair amount of shite.

I just don’t understand the absolute need for people to say discrimination doesn’t exist. It does. This is getting massively side tracked.

And you can genuinely fuck off with your “morning xx”

 

[robbiekeane]

And you can genuinely fuck off with your “morning xx”

Now now no need to get nasty x

I just don’t understand the absolute need for people to say discrimination doesn’t exist. It does. This is getting massively side tracked.

I’m not arguing that. Go back and look, you’re the one who jumped on my post questioning the alleged “proof” about Sol Cambell not getting a managers job because he’s black. You posted a general stat which is not proof. You also mentioned the race card weirdly as that’s not a term I have or would ever mention. Quite odd really.