Stan Collymore -Thorn (3 Viewers)
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WillenhallSkyBlues
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Brian mcdermotts title that is, he was a scout turned into a manager too, he's just done it a little better
dongonzalos
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Adrian Durham mentioned Cov aswell as in his list of top sporting achievements for the week. He said he does not know how the hell we have managed to get out of the bottom three.
dongonzalos
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I think you can on their website
@richh87
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And there are some on here who'll tell you that making a scout manager is stupid...
@richh87
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Too many people on here underestimate what Thorn has achieved.
He's a great shout for manager of the year.
Late kick off the other night were saying what a fantastic job he's done too.
oldskyblue58
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First off it is all just opinions - each to their own. So what if some rate him and some dont, neither opinion will affect the fact he is manager and likely to remain so whether we stay up or go down. Has done much better of late and should be congratulated for such - doesnt explain whole season though does it (but thats just my opinion)
Secondly can we please wait until we have actually achieved avoiding relegation before we nominate AT for anything - right now he & the team hasnt achieved a damn thing.
If we were to go down..... AT would still be the same bloke the same manager, but will be the bloke who took us into League1 for first time in decades. In actual fact his personal performance might be exactly the same but he wont be anywhere close to manager of the year. Like it or not if he contributes to success he contributes to failure also. It is a fine line. He has had a season learning the basics of management on the job - for me that hasnt made him one of the top managers in the division. Take the perverse situation of us going down and Pompey staying up - without a shadow of a doubt all the accolades would go to Appleton because of all the "stuff" he has put up with, yet I think the guy is a complete idiot.
In my opinion we have always had enough in the squad to stay up this season - the fact that we have flirted with division 1 has been because of a combination of players,owners and AT, all of them contributed to the situation, all of them under peformed or made mistakes. All of which broke my confidence in what should have been achievable. It may be because of the players & AT that we stay up - havent achieved that yet. They are rebuilding my confidence in CCFC. As to the financial future well being that begs a whole lot of other questions and some of the results & answers are not going to please everyone I suspect
I love the renewed confidence here and at the club - but can we please achieve the goal of staying up before we go awarding prizes !
Secondly can we please wait until we have actually achieved avoiding relegation before we nominate AT for anything - right now he & the team hasnt achieved a damn thing.
If we were to go down..... AT would still be the same bloke the same manager, but will be the bloke who took us into League1 for first time in decades. In actual fact his personal performance might be exactly the same but he wont be anywhere close to manager of the year. Like it or not if he contributes to success he contributes to failure also. It is a fine line. He has had a season learning the basics of management on the job - for me that hasnt made him one of the top managers in the division. Take the perverse situation of us going down and Pompey staying up - without a shadow of a doubt all the accolades would go to Appleton because of all the "stuff" he has put up with, yet I think the guy is a complete idiot.
In my opinion we have always had enough in the squad to stay up this season - the fact that we have flirted with division 1 has been because of a combination of players,owners and AT, all of them contributed to the situation, all of them under peformed or made mistakes. All of which broke my confidence in what should have been achievable. It may be because of the players & AT that we stay up - havent achieved that yet. They are rebuilding my confidence in CCFC. As to the financial future well being that begs a whole lot of other questions and some of the results & answers are not going to please everyone I suspect
I love the renewed confidence here and at the club - but can we please achieve the goal of staying up before we go awarding prizes !
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Astute
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It would not be a surprise if AT got manager of the month. It is not the team who gets the most points. It is a mix of teams played, squad available and position in table at the start of the month. A bit more to it than that, but these are the basics. That was about our hardest month of games. Many would not have been shocked if we only got 3 points or less from them games. Undefeated and 1st away win of the season.
Please don't give it to AT. He don't want it. We don't want him to get it.
Please don't give it to AT. He don't want it. We don't want him to get it.
Moff
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Perhaps you could make an award for him yourself Rich? Now we have our first away win!
kg82
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Well, he takes a lot of the credit for it. But I was arguing earlier in the season that when a team's doing badly it's always the manager that gets the stick, nobody ever blames the players enough. So on the flipside, I think the players have to take a lot of the credit too.
covcity4life
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not year no way,stupid suggestion
last few months though definetley
last few months though definetley
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
opinion - yours, and rightly or wrongly not shared by everyone. not a fact at all
Honestly and objectively I cannot think of anything better. Therefore on balance I'd say (as opinions go) as close to a fact as an opinion can be.
:wave: ok?Hugh Jarse
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Yeah and wtf does Collimore know?
covcity4life
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My opinion has NOT changed, just vindicated.:wave:
so by that logic everyone who disagreed with you were vindicated for the majority of the season?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Adkins back to back promotions
Dougie Freedman has achieved much better results with similar funding
Brian McDermott lost there two best players in the summer an on course for a better finish
Malky Makay got Cardiff to Carling Cup final
Sean Dyche lost his top scorer in Graham in the summer and then his top scorer in January and are on doing just as well if not better.
and that is just in our league
Way over the top, if he keeps us up he has done a good job but manager of the season? Maybe if we keep this up for another 6 months he could be manager of 2012
Dougie Freedman has achieved much better results with similar funding
Brian McDermott lost there two best players in the summer an on course for a better finish
Malky Makay got Cardiff to Carling Cup final
Sean Dyche lost his top scorer in Graham in the summer and then his top scorer in January and are on doing just as well if not better.
and that is just in our league
Way over the top, if he keeps us up he has done a good job but manager of the season? Maybe if we keep this up for another 6 months he could be manager of 2012
Nonleagueherewecome
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The whole point of saying Manager of the Year, not Month, is that the travails have been with us all season: they haven't just turned up! To climb out of the bottom three despite that, indeed to have kept spirits in the dressing room going when many would have been close to giving up, is why Collymore has made that statement.
And anyway, he hasn't been "making mistakes all season until now"-he was still getting more right than I've known any of the previous 6 managers we had did.
Genuinely though, managers at the bottom don't win these awards. Did Paul Jewell win it when Bradford avoided the drop that Premiership season? Did Ian Holloway for his glorious, over-achieving failure last season? No.
And as far as this month goes, it should probably be Dyche at Watford. Aren't they on something like 17 points from a possible 21? Which does of course put our point there into context as a great achievement-and yet we had fans on here and the phone in saying we were "too negative", "shoulda gone for the win", "two points dropped"..
And anyway, he hasn't been "making mistakes all season until now"-he was still getting more right than I've known any of the previous 6 managers we had did.
Genuinely though, managers at the bottom don't win these awards. Did Paul Jewell win it when Bradford avoided the drop that Premiership season? Did Ian Holloway for his glorious, over-achieving failure last season? No.
And as far as this month goes, it should probably be Dyche at Watford. Aren't they on something like 17 points from a possible 21? Which does of course put our point there into context as a great achievement-and yet we had fans on here and the phone in saying we were "too negative", "shoulda gone for the win", "two points dropped"..
Grendel
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As his contract is up at the end of the year then he'll be gone. According to you he is the lowest paid in this league so will go to one of the offers that will surely come his way.
Let's wait and see.
Grendel
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Honestly and objectively I cannot think of anything better. Therefore on balance I'd say (as opinions go) as close to a fact as an opinion can be.
In you're small mind perfectly ok, shame he'll be headhunter next season. I mean if he is manager if the year he will demand a huge pay rise or will threaten to walk won't he?
@richh87
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Why will he become a cannibal? Sounds like he's lost his mind and had a meltdown...
...Has he been all bitter about the club he supports' manager and been made to look a complete knob?
Grendel
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So poorest paid manager but one of the best. Gone at end of season surely! Like westwood, king and Gunnar last season they know a better deal will come along. Even boothroyd and Adams got new jobs so why would he stay?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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And so..... after a quiet period following some success, the kduffy jaundiced showcase rolls back into town.
If he stays it's because no one wants him, eh? And yet again - in your perverse little bubble, you'll have been right about him all along. He may get offers and decline them, that you'll perhaps never be party to, but you'll convince yourself you're right.....
So, if we stay up, and Thorn stays; kduffy was right all along. Why ever didnt the rest of us see it earlier?
If he stays it's because no one wants him, eh? And yet again - in your perverse little bubble, you'll have been right about him all along. He may get offers and decline them, that you'll perhaps never be party to, but you'll convince yourself you're right.....
So, if we stay up, and Thorn stays; kduffy was right all along. Why ever didnt the rest of us see it earlier?
Grendel
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Poor response even by your mundane standards. The suggestion he would turn down better offers to stay with such incompetent owners is at least amusing I suppose,
dongonzalos
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Or a few defeats. People seem to judge a manager solely on results. I think the owners of the club have hindered AT, more than they have helped him. We were favourites for relegation. The defeats disapointed me but did not really shock me. My opinion on AT was still good as I counter balanced his performance before he lost six senior pros and gained only 2. Against his performance after these events. Hence the defeats did not make me think he had suddenly became a bad manager. I now see him performing again, I think it is mainly down to been able to sign a couple of players and a couple coming back from injury.
However we still have a light squad an injury to Keogh and Platt for example at the same time for a few weeks. I believe we would suffer a few defeats again. It's a strange thing to say but with the clubs current finances and owners approach I think judging AT on defeats would be harsh. However showing surprise at him getting results under these circumstances is normal.
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