Stockdale/Burge (12 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

if Stockdale is on anything over 2 to 2.5 grand a week he wont be coming here.
We may as well be debating the respective merits over Burge and David De Gea.

One of the main criticisms of Mowbray was pursuing unrealistic targets, and ending up with nothing. Would be... unfortunate to encourage a repeat of that.

 

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[letsallsingtogether]

I haven’t - you are just making it up due to a curious obsession with a very mediocre keeper

But I'm not obsessed the thing is I don't see it like you.

I dont agree with Blaming one player when we lose.
So he makes a mistake it is his fault because our strikers have missed 2 sitters we lose 1-0. Thing is every week people say he should have saved that no keeper can save everything.
So he makes 5 good kicks in a game people only remember the 2 shit ones has done.

People go on about defenders having confidence in the keeper, what a load of bollocks should have confidence in themselves.
Thing is we can't afford better hope I'm wrong but I've seen what we have in reserve and it ain't any better.
Just my opinion.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Birmingham can still pay a large proportion of his wages if he came here. We paid £7k a week to West Brom to cover Lee Hughes wages when we sold him back

Why would they not sure where they stand but can they afford to do that?

 

[pastythegreat]

Funny some said the same about Wilson.

What? That he was shit at catching crosses??

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[Nick]

But I'm not obsessed the thing is I don't see it like you.

I dont agree with Blaming one player when we lose.
So he makes a mistake it is his fault because our strikers have missed 2 sitters we lose 1-0. Thing is every week people say he should have saved that no keeper can save everything.
So he makes 5 good kicks in a game people only remember the 2 shit ones has done.

People go on about defenders having confidence in the keeper, what a load of bollocks should have confidence in themselves.
Thing is we can't afford better hope I'm wrong but I've seen what we have in reserve and it ain't any better.
Just my opinion.

It's fact that defenders have confidence in the keeper.

When has he ever done 5 good kicks in a game? By good do you mean basic or ones like Stockdale putting players through?

 

[Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit]

Funny some said the same about Wilson.

Bob Wilson?

 

[ps1948]

On the back of the above argument/discussion, I've just watched the highlights of all 27 League games in which Burge has played so far this season.
He's had 4 clean sheets, and conceded a total of 33 goals.

Of those, I would place him totally at blame for just 1 - the first Walsall goal, with the 2nd at Bristol Rovers also one that I think he could/should have saved. Of course there are also others where he "could have done better", but that is often taking something away from the goal scorer, and there are several where the defence have let him down badly.

The highlights also included a number of saves which earned points (most notably against Sunderland), and also illustrated the number of great chances we have missed which could have been translated into extra points - even the Walsall clanger would have been irrelevant if we had taken any of the 3 clear chances we missed before that happened.

At our level, I would expect most keepers to make a few mistakes per season, and Burge is far from the worst keeper in our League.

That said, I would love to see a keeper of Stockdale's quality coming here and taking over, but I just can't see it. Quite apart from the obvious drop in his money - however much that would be - I'm sure there would be Championship clubs who would be a more attractive option for him, for a couple of seasons deal, which would trump whatever we could offer.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

No way in a million years Birmingham city can afford to keep a 3rd choice keeper on that sort of money. He has cost them £1m quid already this year playing with under 18s. Lol.

They would have paid of some of his contract and given him free transfer.

Absolute bollocks.

He wasn't third choice when he signed his contract. He is entitled to sit on his contract to the last day.
You don't know what has gone on, Birmingham may have made all sorts of offers to get him off their books.
Their number one, Lee Camp is on a much much lower salary apparently.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

On the back of the above argument/discussion, I've just watched the highlights of all 27 League games in which Burge has played so far this season.
He's had 4 clean sheets, and conceded a total of 33 goals.

Of those, I would place him totally at blame for just 1 - the first Walsall goal, with the 2nd at Bristol Rovers also one that I think he could/should have saved. Of course there are also others where he "could have done better", but that is often taking something away from the goal scorer, and there are several where the defence have let him down badly.

The highlights also included a number of saves which earned points (most notably against Sunderland), and also illustrated the number of great chances we have missed which could have been translated into extra points - even the Walsall clanger would have been irrelevant if we had taken any of the 3 clear chances we missed before that happened.

At our level, I would expect most keepers to make a few mistakes per season, and Burge is far from the worst keeper in our League.

That said, I would love to see a keeper of Stockdale's quality coming here and taking over, but I just can't see it. Quite apart from the obvious drop in his money - however much that would be - I'm sure there would be Championship clubs who would be a more attractive option for him, for a couple of seasons deal, which would trump whatever we could offer.

That’s a pretty fair assessment, Burge has been pretty good this season. Made a lot more point-saving saves than clangers.

As for Stockdale, you’d expect him to be a lot better than Burge. Has played in the Prem and helped Brighton to promotion with 137 appearances. Most of his career has been spent at a higher level, and at 33, still has a few years left. Ironically, Stockdale has actually made the most mistakes of all Championship GKs in the last 4 seasons (13) so to get hyped after one league game against Rochdale is a bit much.

I don’t really care much for Burge, but he’s unfairly treated by a lot of Cov fans — it’s something he just has to deal with.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I can't believe the slating Burge is getting on here for what,some guy from Brum who came here on Friday on a loan for a week,makes his debut "albeit" the only one game,does ok,not really tested,makes one reasonable good save,bread & butter for most keepers though and suddenly Burge is being frozen out,what ,after one game,against a poor Rochdale side,some need to get a grip

But that’s the thing, Stockdale just did the basics right. You’ve got to think how bad Burge is for something like that to impress the fans.

Burge has improved but he’s a back up for a top league one side at best

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

Stockdale is likely out of our price range, but it got me thinking about other keepers and I’ve noticed Scott Loach (formerly of Watford and England U21s) is at Hartlepool, where he seems to be having a good season. 30 years old with good pedigree but his career seems to have taken a rather dramatic slide. Is it worth considering someone like that or too much concern over his fall from grace? I can’t seem to find any reasoning why it happened.

Scott is a friend of a friend. No real reason for his fall from grace other than managers opting for their other choices at key times. That might have been a show of his poor form or poor training, but I wouldn’t know. He left Watford having been ousted by Kuszcak, then went to Ipswich where he was swiftly left to just Cup ties by Gerken. Moved to Rotherham and didn’t get on with Evans at all, so that was a disaster. He then took a drop down to league 2 and similar problems followed where he played number 2 to Adam Collin. I remember joking to my mate around that time we could do with him at cov and he had hinted there had been at least a discussion. Apparently he’s on £1,500 a week at Hartlepool which surprised me as I thought it would be less for a keeper at that level. I don’t think he would be a bad punt if Burge is off, from the sound of things he’s still as motivated as ever to return up the ladder


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[NortonSkyBlue]

Scott is a friend of a friend. No real reason for his fall from grace other than managers opting for their other choices at key times. That might have been a show of his poor form or poor training, but I wouldn’t know. He left Watford having been ousted by Kuszcak, then went to Ipswich where he was swiftly left to just Cup ties by Gerken. Moved to Rotherham and didn’t get on with Evans at all, so that was a disaster. He then took a drop down to league 2 and similar problems followed where he played number 2 to Adam Collin. I remember joking to my mate around that time we could do with him at cov and he had hinted there had been at least a discussion. Apparently he’s on £1,500 a week at Hartlepool which surprised me as I thought it would be less for a keeper at that level. I don’t think he would be a bad punt if Burge is off, from the sound of things he’s still as motivated as ever to return up the ladder

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So now the conversation has moved on to a non league keeper with little pedigree and an iffy record at best in place of Burge? You couldn't make it up.
The world record fee goalkeeper let in 6 goals yesterday. He must be shit.

 

[pastythegreat]

But that’s the thing, Stockdale just did the basics right. You’ve got to think how bad Burge is for something like that to impress the fans.

Burge has improved but he’s a back up for a top league one side at best

This is it. He wouldn't get a sniff at the likes of Luton or Pompey or Sunderland. Teams that are pushing for autos. And if were serious about promotion next year then we 110% need to address the situation.

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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

So now the conversation has moved on to a non league keeper with little pedigree and an iffy record at best in place of Burge? You couldn't make it up.
The world record fee goalkeeper let in 6 goals yesterday. He must be shit.

Burge's whole career is iffy at best. Scott Loach was a decent keeper and was at a good level. Although you have to question his fall from grace.

Its not the fact that he concedes goals, it's his kicking, his command of his area, the less than confident control of the ball. Can you honestly tell me you feel confident when the ball goes near him - I can tell you now, he never has filled me with confidence

 

[Nick]

Burge's whole career is iffy at best. Scott Loach was a decent keeper and was at a good level. Although you have to question his fall from grace.

Its not the fact that he concedes goals, it's his kicking, his command of his area, the less than confident control of the ball. Can you honestly tell me you feel confident when the ball goes near him - I can tell you now, he never has filled me with confidence

His fall could well be attitude based judging by the posts in here. Don't know him but it may be that more than ability.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Burge's whole career is iffy at best. Scott Loach was a decent keeper and was at a good level. Although you have to question his fall from grace.

Its not the fact that he concedes goals, it's his kicking, his command of his area, the less than confident control of the ball. Can you honestly tell me you feel confident when the ball goes near him - I can tell you now, he never has filled me with confidence

Burge is playing two leagues above Scott Loach, right? He probably isn’t that good.

I don’t mind Burge as a GK, has made a lot more good, point-saving saves than clangers over the last two seasons. He’s out of contract in the summer so we’ll see if he stays or not. Personally, I’m unsure if we could do that much better. Someone like Stockdale is in big money and has played most of his career as a top-end Championship to Premiership level GK. If someone like that who was affordable and available, then you’d be stupid to say no. I highly doubt Stockdale will be an affordable target for us.

 

[PVA]

The anti-Burge stuff is ridiculous.

He's a good keeper at this level. Not brilliant, but not bad. Some would have you believe he's the worst keeper to play for ccfc and should be playing non league yet here he is seemingly on the verge of a move to the championship.

As others have said in this thread, he hasn't been at fault for much this season and has kept us in plenty of games. Yes he's made a few mistakes or dropped a few crosses. So what. The defenders have made mistakes too. The midfielders have misplaced plenty of passes. The forwards have missed shit load of chances.

Burge is not someone to point the finger at this season and say we'd be much higher in the league with someone better. We wouldn't. The strikers have clearly been the main issue this season, not the keeper.

If Burge put in that performance on Saturday, as he has a number of times this season, no one would would mention it or give him much credit.

 

[standupforcity]

Burge! Command of the area 5/10 Kicking 2/10 Instills confidence 4/10 Shot stopping 7/10 Decision making 3/10 Ball handling 4/10 Distribution 3/10

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The anti-Burge stuff is ridiculous.

He's a good keeper at this level. Not brilliant, but not bad. Some would have you believe he's the worst keeper to play for ccfc and should be playing non league yet here he is seemingly on the verge of a move to the championship.

As others have said in this thread, he hasn't been at fault for much this season and has kept us in plenty of games. Yes he's made a few mistakes or dropped a few crosses. So what. The defenders have made mistakes too. The midfielders have misplaced plenty of passes. The forwards have missed shit load of chances.

Burge is not someone to point the finger at this season and say we'd be much higher in the league with someone better. We wouldn't. The strikers have clearly been the main issue this season, not the keeper.

If Burge put in that performance on Saturday, as he has a number of times this season, no one would would mention it or give him much credit.

The chances Bakayoko, JCH, Chaplin, Hiwula and even Thomas has missed far outstrip any mistake Burge has made. The case and point being Walsall away in the league. Even Gillingham at home, Bakayoko misses a really good chances moments before the we concede the penalty.

If we can sort out our finishing, we make up the gap to the playoffs. That’s something to take into next season.

 

[Nick]

If Burge put in that performance on Saturday, as he has a number of times this season, no one would would mention it or give him much credit.

Really? If Burge took a ball out of the air and instantly put one of our players through with an accurate kick people would be cheering like it was a goal.

 

[Warwickhunt]

On the back of the above argument/discussion, I've just watched the highlights of all 27 League games in which Burge has played so far this season.
He's had 4 clean sheets, and conceded a total of 33 goals.

Of those, I would place him totally at blame for just 1 - the first Walsall goal, with the 2nd at Bristol Rovers also one that I think he could/should have saved. Of course there are also others where he "could have done better", but that is often taking something away from the goal scorer, and there are several where the defence have let him down badly.

The highlights also included a number of saves which earned points (most notably against Sunderland), and also illustrated the number of great chances we have missed which could have been translated into extra points - even the Walsall clanger would have been irrelevant if we had taken any of the 3 clear chances we missed before that happened.

At our level, I would expect most keepers to make a few mistakes per season, and Burge is far from the worst keeper in our League.

That said, I would love to see a keeper of Stockdale's quality coming here and taking over, but I just can't see it. Quite apart from the obvious drop in his money - however much that would be - I'm sure there would be Championship clubs who would be a more attractive option for him, for a couple of seasons deal, which would trump whatever we could offer.

What would we do then if by some miracle we got promotion to the Championship this year? we would have to start paying higher wages! if CCFC could garner more support during he season then we could probably pay more

 

[covcity4life]

lol the burge lovers with egg in their face throwing tantrums

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

Stockdale did well yesterday,better than i thought he would do,my thinking on him was,if the guy is only here for one weeks emergency loan,then he wouldn't care to much about maybe conceding a goal or two,it didn't happen,we know that,Rochdale hardly threatened us,but when he was called into action,he did fine,next week we will have Burge back in goal,so what's the point on lavishing over some keeper we won't see again until maybe next season(perhaps)

Burge may be going to another club next season,and if so good luck to him,until then i will back him as he is still our keeper.

I was wrong on Stockdale,i admit,but it was only the one game and against a a poor Rochdale side lets not forget, Maybe he might be available for the Walsall game, "i doubt it though" just so the majority on here can make up there own minds,Listening to the game on the radio doesn't give you the full picture.

People should be banned from calling in CWR if they haven't watched the game. I do like Clive & Stuart's commentary but there's no way you can form a justified opinion from it. It's like saying I didn't go the game but I checked the match updates/commentary on the Sky Sports News App.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

The £40k pw is an exaggeration, but he was Brighton's first choice keeper, and turned down a new contract with them when they got promoted to sign for Birmingham, so he ain't coming cheap!

There's no way on God's earth Stockdale is the level we'd look at. May as well start bigging up our impending bid for Rashford to replace Chaplin.

The other solution is to do what Bolton did with Chris Doidge. Take him on loan and promise to pay for him in January - then when January comes, sorry someone's nicked our money.
We could have Eisa and Collins upfront....well for 4 months anyway!

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Really? If Burge took a ball out of the air and instantly put one of our players through with an accurate kick people would be cheering like it was a goal.

My cheering would be too late as I would have to come round from passing out first, he is more likely to kick it off the pitch than to a player

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

So now the conversation has moved on to a non league keeper with little pedigree and an iffy record at best in place of Burge? You couldn't make it up.
The world record fee goalkeeper let in 6 goals yesterday. He must be shit.

A) I was just answering a question mentioned. B) Playing 154 games in the Championship/Premier League & being in an England squad isn't little pedigree.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

A) I was just answering a question mentioned. B) Playing 154 games in the Championship/Premier League & being in an England squad isn't little pedigree.

It's a bit of a tangent but FWIW I always liked Loach as a keeper. Wouldn't have a clue as to his current abilities though. That's where we'd need good scouts!

(That's a fair old salary for Hartlepool, given they nearly went bust last year!)

 

[BigadamL]

if Burge didnt misjudge the flight of a cross i would cheer like we had just scored!!

 

[BigadamL]

getting all flustered just thinking about Burge catching a cross

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

It's a bit of a tangent but FWIW I always liked Loach as a keeper. Wouldn't have a clue as to his current abilities though. That's where we'd need good scouts!

(That's a fair old salary for Hartlepool, given they nearly went bust last year!)

That's fair. What I meant was, I wasn't slating Burge in the slightest, nor did I mean to incline I wanted Burge to leave.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

That's fair. What I meant was, I wasn't slating Burge in the slightest, nor did I mean to incline I wanted Burge to leave.

Yup, no problem with that. FWIW I was just digressing a bit as I was bored of the old Burge argument, and wanted to chat about something else before actually sitting down to do this here real work I keep hearing about

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

A) I was just answering a question mentioned. B) Playing 154 games in the Championship/Premier League & being in an England squad isn't little pedigree.

I was talking about Scott Loach not Stockdale who has a decent pedigree.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

What would we do then if by some miracle we got promotion to the Championship this year? we would have to start paying higher wages! if CCFC could garner more support during he season then we could probably pay more

But that would mean not boycotting wouldn't it?

 

[pastythegreat]

But that would mean not boycotting wouldn't it?

Boycott W***s instead. #BWI

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[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

I was talking about Scott Loach not Stockdale who has a decent pedigree.

Yes. That applies to Scott Loach. He has a better pedigree than Stockdale.