Albany Meeting ? (3 Viewers)

[Nick]

But you do the same thing over and over with the Trust (and a lot of other things on here). Change, do something different.

I suggest lots of different things and offer lots of different things. As do other posters who aren't just aimlessly shouting SISU out every 5 minutes, it doesn't mean they don't want them gone it means they think differently. There's a fair few people who will step back and analyse things from all directions, why shouldn't they be listened to by the fans trust they are members of?

When the only argument that ever comes back is "start your own" then it says more about the Trust than anybody else doesn't it? Why can nobody discuss the actual constructive things?

 

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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Yes Nick and that brings what to the table?

What Nicks point is, is that if we pressured all sides to a deal, and managed to make Wasps uncomfortable from the start, they’d be more. Open to a deal. Welcoming Them with open arms just says to them “nobody gives a shit about the football club - so fuck them”

 

[Nick]

What Nicks point is, is that if we pressured all sides to a deal, and managed to make Wasps uncomfortable from the start, they’d be more. Open to a deal. Welcoming Them with open arms just says to them “nobody gives a shit about the football club - so fuck them”

Make them all uncomfortable, SISU, Council, Wasps.

None of them should be sat comfortable like the Council Leader is, gloating about public relations after he bullshits.

Surely that's obvious?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Because it's the same principle, you aren't allowed to comment (no matter how constructive) as the standard reply is "start your own". So, there's your answer. Start your own football club.

I don't have the means do I? That's why I approach the Trust and then it's a share of resources, the same as the article the other day about myths. I will keep pushing that on here / social media etc. That's what happen when people can unite, it's what people are calling out for.

You need to figure out the difference when people are being constructive or just straight up abuse. If I was calling CJ a tosser or something I'd understand it, I'm not though. I am trying my best to be constructive.

Compare that to "I'll hold up a bit of paper if they ask me to" and just nodding and back patting and it gets nowhere as it is just repetitive over and over again. The same as if I was to congratulate my daughter if she kept doing the same thing over and over even if it wasn't working. She was just go on thinking it's great and nothing could be improved.

Why don’t you have the means? I would have thought that running this site gives you the voice to rally people and organise things far more that the ordinary fan. Once up and running, with a proper committee and perhaps a little finance coming from within the group, it would hopefully develop it’s own legs and momentum to carry it forward. Remember it would be a single issue group, limited lifespan with the aim of implementing your ideas. You have the platform. You could do it.

 

[Nick]

Why don’t you have the means? I would have thought that running this site gives you the voice to rally people and organise things far more that the ordinary fan. Once up and running, with a proper committee and perhaps a little finance coming from within the group, it would hopefully develop it’s own legs and momentum to carry it forward. Remember it would be a single issue group, limited lifespan with the aim of implementing your ideas. You have the platform. You could do it.

So why don't you start your own football team if you don't like how it's run? It really is that simple.

Surely you can see that it's common sense that fans unite and share resources with things rather than loads of splinter groups here and there?

Nobody is even suggesting anything outrageous, "put some pressure on all parties" - "start your own if you want to do that". Like I said, that says more about the Trust than anything else. There's not even any appetite to listen really apart from CJ trying his best to take it all in.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Why don’t you have the means? I would have thought that running this site gives you the voice to rally people and organise things far more that the ordinary fan. Once up and running, with a proper committee and perhaps a little finance coming from within the group, it would hopefully develop it’s own legs and momentum to carry it forward. Remember it would be a single issue group, limited lifespan with the aim of implementing your ideas. You have the platform. You could do it.

He shouldn’t have to, the Sky Blues Trust is the accepted voice of the fans.

The Sky Blues Trust should be partisan towards Coventry City Football Club, Not SISU, not Wasps and Not the council.

They sit there denouncing the MK Dons, our move to Northampton, but cosy up to wasps.

Salford Rugby league side’s former owner wants to buy another rugby league team and move them to Liverpool. If he bought Anfield and threatened to kick Liverpool our could you see their fan’s trust costing up to him?

 

[mark82]

Why don’t you have the means? I would have thought that running this site gives you the voice to rally people and organise things far more that the ordinary fan. Once up and running, with a proper committee and perhaps a little finance coming from within the group, it would hopefully develop it’s own legs and momentum to carry it forward. Remember it would be a single issue group, limited lifespan with the aim of implementing your ideas. You have the platform. You could do it.

Yeah, because more splinter groups are what we need.

 

[Nick]

He shouldn’t have to, the Sky Blues Trust is the accepted voice of the fans.

The Sky Blues Trust should be partisan towards Coventry City Football Club, Not SISU, not Wasps and Not the council.

They sit there denouncing the MK Dons, our move to Northampton, but cosy up to wasps.

Salford Rugby league side’s former owner wants to buy another rugby league team and move them to Liverpool. If he bought Anfield and threatened to kick Liverpool our could you see their fan’s trust costing up to him?

The thing is, that logic seems to baffle people. They just want to hear "SISU OUT" and that's it. Job done. No thought or no logic but that shows them.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

What Nicks point is, is that if we pressured all sides to a deal, and managed to make Wasps uncomfortable from the start, they’d be more. Open to a deal. Welcoming Them with open arms just says to them “nobody gives a shit about the football club - so fuck them”

It sounds like I am a stuck record here. I go to the Trust open meetings etc. I see a group of committed, passionate City fans. I have never once heard any pro Wasps comments there. I think if anyone stated these they would get short shrift. I am sure that the Trust and members wish, like most of us do that Wasps were not here. The fact is they are. In the short term we need them to change their stance and let us stay.There is no point at the moment in antagonising them. ( Any demo at their game, I think, would have to be completely pro Sky Blue and not anti Wasps).

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Yeah, because more splinter groups are what we need.

Perhaps we need a group that everyone could unite around? That doesn’t appear to be the Trust. It would be interesting to know what Boddy was hoping for when he asked fans to put pressure on all interested parties.

 

[Nick]

Perhaps we need a group that everyone could unite around? That doesn’t appear to be the Trust. It would be interesting to know what Boddy was hoping for when he asked fans to put pressure on all interested parties.

Which is my point.

Why can't it be the Trust?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

It sounds like I am a stuck record here. I go to the Trust open meetings etc. I see a group of committed, passionate City fans. I have never once heard any pro Wasps comments there. I think if anyone stated these they would get short shrift. I am sure that the Trust and members wish, like most of us do that Wasps were not here. The fact is they are. In the short term we need them to change their stance and let us stay.There is no point at the moment in antagonising them. ( Any demo at their game, I think, would have to be completely pro Sky Blue and not anti Wasps).

Like I said, they’re the accepted voice of the fans.

Not once have they said Wasps shouldn’t be here, in fact you had a board member saying “what a great occasion it was”

They should be denouncing their presence and making it known that if no deal can be reached then they may consider urging a boycott of wasps. I’m not saying ban people, but they have influence.

Any kind of backing behind NOPM on Wasps would make them realise that we make up a big part of the Coventry sporting community.

Would also help if they got involved In pointing out to the mass media that as the city of sport, the club has been hung out to dry when it is needed most by its city. Imagine the embarrassment for the council

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Which is my point.

Why can't it be the Trust?

Read through this thread and that would answer your question.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Like I said, they’re the accepted voice of the fans.

Not once have they said Wasps shouldn’t be here, in fact you had a board member saying “what a great occasion it was”

They should be denouncing their presence and making it known that if no deal can be reached then they may consider urging a boycott of wasps. I’m not saying ban people, but they have influence.

Any kind of backing behind NOPM on Wasps would make them realise that we make up a big part of the Coventry sporting community.

Would also help if they got involved In pointing out to the mass media that as the city of sport, the club has been hung out to dry when it is needed most by its city. Imagine the embarrassment for the council

Anyone reading things that I post willl know that I have no time for Wasps. As far as I am concerned they are Rugby’s equivalent of MK Dons. They should not be here. However, I think at the moment all eyes should be on a renewal of the Ricoh deal as anything else is too awful to contemplate. I think a hostile approach to Wasps at the moment could jeopardise that.

 

[clint van damme]

Anyone reading things that I post willl no that I have no time for Wasps. As far as I am concerned they are Rugby’s equivalent of MK Dons. They should not be here. However, I think at the moment all eyes should be on a renewal of the Ricoh deal as anything else is too awful to contemplate. I think a hostile approach to Wasps at the moment could jeopardise that.

totally disagree. They are sensitive to bad publicity, sisu couldn't give two fucks,

 

[usskyblue]

Anyone reading through this thread will end up being sectioned...

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

totally disagree. They are sensitive to bad publicity, sisu couldn't give two fucks,

Yes, I would think that they are sensitive to bad publicity. However, giving them abuse or threats may see their position harden.

 

[Nick]

Read through this thread and that would answer your question.

It doesn't though, there are no answers.

 

[Nick]

Yes, I would think that they are sensitive to bad publicity. However, giving them abuse or threats may see their position harden.

It's not about abuse or threats though.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Anyone reading things that I post willl know that I have no time for Wasps. As far as I am concerned they are Rugby’s equivalent of MK Dons. They should not be here. However, I think at the moment all eyes should be on a renewal of the Ricoh deal as anything else is too awful to contemplate. I think a hostile approach to Wasps at the moment could jeopardise that.

Apologies, hope i didn’t come across as thinking you were pro-wasps.

At the moment I think they’re stuck to their guns because they feel comfortable, kicking the club out doesn’t appear to faze them. That’s why I think we’re in threat mode.

As I previously said aswell, the council should be targeted, and their “City of Sport” they’re complicit in the potential extinction of their 130 year old football club.

This should be media news, would cause embarrassment to a council that is overseeing The UKs version of Detroit

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

It doesn't though, there are no answers.

You said why can’t the Trust be the organisation that fans unite behind. This thread shows how polarised and apparently irreconcilable the views and positions of fans on here are with regard to the Trust.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

You said why can’t the Trust be the organisation that fans unite behind. This thread shows how polarised and apparently irreconcilable the views and positions of fans on here are with regard to the Trust.

That’s because of their outright refusal to condemn Wasps and the council.

They do that, alongside maintaining their campaign against SISU and I’m in! I bet the others would join in

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Apologies, hope i didn’t come across as thinking you were pro-wasps.

At the moment I think they’re stuck to their guns because they feel comfortable, kicking the club out doesn’t appear to faze them. That’s why I think we’re in threat mode.

As I previously said aswell, the council should be targeted, and their “City of Sport” they’re complicit in the potential extinction of their 130 year old football club.

This should be media news, would cause embarrassment to a council that is overseeing The UKs version of Detroit

That’s fine, just stating how I feel about Wasps. I agree all sides need to be targeted including the council. Their statement about the four year limit was a disgrace. They should be able to distinguish between CCFC and Sisu and still be able to support the former. They seem to have washed their hands of the club.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

That’s fine, just stating how I feel about Wasps. I agree all sides need to be targeted including the council. There statement about the four year limit was a disgrace. They should be able to distinguish between CCFC and Sisu and still be able to support the former. They seem to have washed their hands of the club.

That’s why I also think we should target the city of sport designation. The media would have a right laugh at that

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

That’s why I also think we should target the city of sport designation. The media would have a right laugh at that

I agree.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I agree.

Thing is, I deride the trust because they don’t. They outright refuse to do anything that would negatively impact the council or wasps.

Gives them a sense of comfort, like they can do/say what they like without repercussions.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

That’s because of their outright refusal to condemn Wasps and the council.

They do that, alongside maintaining their campaign against SISU and I’m in! I bet the others would join in

So you would bet the future of the club on antagonizing the one party that can categorically allow us to stay at the Ricoh?
To me that is folly almost on the scale of Sisu.
Wasps need an incentive to extend our stay and I believe that discourse with them will achieve more at this stage than protest. That is why I hope that the trust are back channeling to open dialogue with interested parties rather than joint the shouty group that you advocate and that is why things are not in the open. Fingers cross d that is the case.
Oh and where is the pressure being put on Sisu?
They are ambivalent to us and genuinely don't care. Surely those so keen on dragging up the past must be aware of that?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

So you would bet the future of the club on antagonizing the one party that can categorically allow us to stay at the Ricoh?
To me that is folly almost on the scale of Sisu.
Wasps need an incentive to extend our stay and I believe that discourse with them will achieve more at this stage than protest. That is why I hope that the trust are back channeling to open dialogue with interested parties rather than joint the shouty group that you advocate and that is why things are not in the open. Fingers cross d that is the case.
Oh and where is the pressure being put on Sisu?
They are ambivalent to us and genuinely don't care. Surely those so keen on dragging up the past must be aware of that?

Yes they are ambivalent, but they’re not going to give up the legals. We’ve spent years trying to stop them.

If they don’t wasps are kicking us out. So yes now is the time to antagonise, there were thousands on the marches, and 40k at both Wembley trips.

Imagine the active voice of the fans backing a boycott - Wasps who have shown adversity to negative publicity would not like that.

Further to that, imagine if it was portrayed to the media that in the e city of sport the local council and wasps were complicit in ending a 130 year football team.

So yes, what do we have to lose

 

[SkyBlueZack]

How can saying you don’t agree with teams being moved be antagonistic? Surely with the trust against CCFC moving, the wasps management are aware of their feelings? Or is it, as it appears, only Sisu owned teams? A statement involving mentioning the city of sport, CCFC being here since 1883, jimmy hill and promotions, the workplaces being happier and more productive, 1987, spending years in the top division, giving the city top level sport, the recent checkatrade success, promotion last season. How our club is important to the city. How when we moved to Northampton was wrong, because teams shouldn’t be removed from their community for financial gain. That would include wasps, without mentioning them. Go on to mention the council appearing to give long term assurances to the cities two oldest clubs. Then only saying they only meant four years. Question how the council can let the club move or cease to exist when holding the title of city of sport. Now it’s rough around the edges but I wouldn’t say it’s antagonistic in the slightest.

 

[usskyblue]

FYI; The cows never come home

 

[cov soul]

Were Sisu wrong in moving CCFC to Northampton?

yes

 

[Nick]

How can saying you don’t agree with teams being moved be antagonistic? Surely with the trust against CCFC moving, the wasps management are aware of their feelings? Or is it, as it appears, only Sisu owned teams? A statement involving mentioning the city of sport, CCFC being here since 1883, jimmy hill and promotions, the workplaces being happier and more productive, 1987, spending years in the top division, giving the city top level sport, the recent checkatrade success, promotion last season. How our club is important to the city. How when we moved to Northampton was wrong, because teams shouldn’t be removed from their community for financial gain. That would include wasps, without mentioning them. Go on to mention the council appearing to give long term assurances to the cities two oldest clubs. Then only saying they only meant four years. Question how the council can let the club move or cease to exist when holding the title of city of sport. Now it’s rough around the edges but I wouldn’t say it’s antagonistic in the slightest.

Exactly, it doesn't have to mean standing outside their matches or abuse.

 

[Nick]

FYI; The cows never come home

You aren't training them right

 

[Captain Dart]

Anyone reading through this thread will end up being sectioned...

If they're not already.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

We are totally screwed. This club will go to the wall shortly and the world of football will be shocked and say " why didn't the fans do anything ?"
Why is it that the likes of Blackpool, Portsmouth, Charlton and now Bolton Wanderers are able to mobilise action to get national coverage in a way we can't ?
Is it that our case is so protracted and complicated that we simply can't understand fully what is going on and therefore can't make a stand together and the other clubs I mention have a situation that is far more simple ? I genuinely don't know.