Thanks but no thanks (18 Viewers)

[Grendel]

You can’t make someone stateless. There are 360 people who’ve returned from fighting for Isis and 360 unaccounted for

No so the reality is without the ability to execute she will come back and if put in prison will be costing (according to estimates) £50,000 a year. So for example lovely Rose West has to date cost a cool £1.1 m

Sticking a rope round her neck and letting her swing from it would at least I guess discourage any others try to return

 

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

No so the reality is without the ability to execute she will come back and if put in prison will be costing (according to estimates) £50,000 a year. So for example lovely Rose West has to date cost a cool £1.1 m

Sticking a rope round her neck and letting her swing from it would at least I guess discourage any others try to return

It is a shame that Rose didn’t take the same option as Fred and go for a little swing the waste on these creatures is phenomenal

 

[duffer]

No so the reality is without the ability to execute she will come back and if put in prison will be costing (according to estimates) £50,000 a year. So for example lovely Rose West has to date cost a cool £1.1 m

Sticking a rope round her neck and letting her swing from it would at least I guess discourage any others try to return

You'd hang her, and presumably her unborn child, for what crime exactly?

And for those who are scared of a 19-year-old pregnant girl, what threat has she actually offered?

Not for the first time I don't quite get the hysteria. There are laws in place to deal with this if indeed she ever does get back to the UK, is there any reason why they shouldn't apply to everyone equally?

 

[Grendel]

You'd hang her, and presumably her unborn child, for what crime exactly?

And for those who are scared of a 19-year-old pregnant girl, what threat has she actually offered?

Not for the first time I don't quite get the hysteria. There are laws in place to deal with this if indeed she ever does get back to the UK, is there any reason why they shouldn't apply to everyone equally?

There is a degree of sexism here I believe. If this was a 19 year old man people would view it differently

This is an individual who knowingly has been part of a brutal organisation that targets the west for 4 years. There is no claim even that there is a desire to rehabilitate

What actually do you do with her? Would you trust he as a next door neighbour? I would not. Would you want her child to remain with her?

The actual probability is she will have a very small sentence and then at taxpayer expense a protection identity.

Let her have her child in her isis camp - with a bit of luck she will die having it in her Promised Land

 

[shmmeee]

It’s a fair point that if she’s that bad why are we forcing her into some other poor country? If she’s committed crimes, lock her up. Maybe she changes her mind and prevents others joining, maybe she doesn’t, it’s not our job to play God and make her a martyr.

 

[Ashdown]

It’s a fair point that if she’s that bad why are we forcing her into some other poor country? If she’s committed crimes, lock her up. Maybe she changes her mind and prevents others joining, maybe she doesn’t, it’s not our job to play God and make her a martyr.

What about the cost, why should we pay......she's a traitor and should be dealt with as such. It's why so many scum bags head here because we have become known as a pathetic soft touch.

 

[Sick Boy]

Come on Stu, you know how lenient our judicial system is. Chances are she'd get a hot-shot lawyer to keep her out of prison. But if she does end up inside, it will NOT help her "de-radicalization"! The two guys who carried out the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris were banged up for something minor THEN got radicalized in prison, and committed the attack when they were released.
If we can't revoke the citizenship of someone like this, who are we going to do it for?
As I understand it, she has dual nationality with ? Bangladesh.
Yes, there will be those that argue she was a "silly little girl" when she left at the age of 15, but she certainly ain't now - she's a fucking hard-nosed unrepentant jihadist and traitor to the UK. Let her and her evil spawn rot in hell, wherever that may be!

What sort of moron describes an unborn baby as evil spawn and wish for it to rot in hell?

 

[Westendlad]

What sort of moron describes an unborn baby as evil spawn and wish for it to rot in hell?

Someone who's angry and pissed off and rightly so.

 

[Sick Boy]

Someone who's angry and pissed off and rightly so.

The unborn child has done nothing wrong whatsoever. How can a fully grown man wish harm on an unborn child and label it evil?

 

[Macca]

The unborn child has done nothing wrong whatsoever. How can a fully grown man wish harm on an unborn child and label it evil?

I agree however it may well end up doing so with that as a mother. Get it adopted if she returns and give it a chance in life

 

[Sick Boy]

I agree however it may well end up doing so with that as a mother. Get it adopted if she returns and give it a chance in life

Yeah I know, which is why I said she should be thrown in prison and the child given to people who could give it a decent future.

 

[Nick]

Agree with giving the kid to somebody who can't have one who could give it a good life.

 

[covmark]

Yeah I know, which is why I said she should be thrown in prison and the child given to people who could give it a decent future.

Why should the taxpayer pay to keep this lowlife in prison? Agree the baby is an innocent and deserves a chance at life, but this would mean the girl has to come back to the UK. It's a tough one.
I'm erring on the side of slinging her in prison and giving the child a chance. If the child has a good life as a UK citizen then money spent on keeping its traitorous mother in prison, may be money that's worthwhile being spent.

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[Westendlad]

The unborn child has done nothing wrong whatsoever. How can a fully grown man wish harm on an unborn child and label it evil?

Evil with the intention it was conceived then yes..

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Wonder if genuinely many of you would be saying anything different if she was saying she made a mistake and is sorry. You’d still be saying hang her probably as she’s just making up the remorse

 

[Sick Boy]

Why should the taxpayer pay to keep this lowlife in prison? Agree the baby is an innocent and deserves a chance at life, but this would mean the girl has to come back to the UK. It's a tough one.
I'm erring on the side of slinging her in prison and giving the child a chance. If the child has a good life as a UK citizen then money spent on keeping its traitorous mother in prison, may be money that's worthwhile being spent.

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I’d rather she didn’t come back into the country but I’d value the life of an innocent baby over that of money.

Weird I know.

 

[covmark]

Wonder if genuinely many of you would be saying anything different if she was saying she made a mistake and is sorry. You’d still be saying hang her probably as she’s just making up the remorse

Well she hasn't said that. So Its a pointless question. If she wasn't pregnant, I'd say she could rot where she is.

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[covmark]

I’d rather she didn’t come back into the country but I’d value the life of an innocent baby over that of money.

Weird I know.

We agree then??

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[Westendlad]

Wonder if genuinely many of you would be saying anything different if she was saying she made a mistake and is sorry. You’d still be saying hang her probably as she’s just making up the remorse

Pete that would of made a difference yes but she has no remorse and would think nothing about seeing your head or any member of your families head in a bin......

 

[Sick Boy]

We agree then??

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Yeah I know

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Imagine if it was 1940 and a 15 year old absconds to Germany to work in a munitions factory . Then in 1945, just before the collapse of the axis, she returns , pregnant, after announcing it to the British press. She shows no remorse.
War criminal. End of.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You'd hang her, and presumably her unborn child, for what crime exactly?

And for those who are scared of a 19-year-old pregnant girl, what threat has she actually offered?

Not for the first time I don't quite get the hysteria. There are laws in place to deal with this if indeed she ever does get back to the UK, is there any reason why they shouldn't apply to everyone equally?

Being female, 19 and pregnant makes no real difference to the ability to blow people to pieces in a shopping centre. I'm sure she'd sacrifice an unborn child in the name of her God.

 

[shmmeee]

What about the cost, why should we pay......she's a traitor and should be dealt with as such. It's why so many scum bags head here because we have become known as a pathetic soft touch.

Because she’s a British citizen. You clean up your own shit.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Playing Devils Advocate here but why the fuck should Syria be dumped with her? Haven't they got enough problems of their own?

How many in the UK jump on the 'send 'em home bandwagon' when Pete the Pole or Ahmed the Afghani are in the news for doing something wrong?

Something needs to be done with her but I'm not sure just letting her slip away into the wilderness would be the best thing to do if she then suddenly pops up in say Brussels with a suicide vest on?

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

I like the idea of Brussels at the European Parliament would be ideal.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Imagine if it was 1940 and a 15 year old absconds to Germany to work in a munitions factory . Then in 1945, just before the collapse of the axis, she returns , pregnant, after announcing it to the British press. She shows no remorse.
War criminal. End of.

Imagine if she was a white child being told that if she leaves her social care home and gets involved in a life of oetty crime to fund her drug habit in response to being sexually abused by a grooming ring.

If you have the choice between being kind and being right always choose being kind and you will always be right

 

[clint van damme]

Because she’s a British citizen. You clean up your own shit.

not just that but because we live by the rule of law and the law applies in all situations.

If we didn't and we dealt with situations on an ad hoc basis governed by public anger I'd imagine our society wouldn't be too dissimilar to the medieval hell hole she's just come from.

Pete that would of made a difference yes but she has no remorse and would think nothing about seeing your head or any member of your families head in a bin......

there was an article by some fella in the Independent yesterday who'd worked with a lot of these ISIS brides and he said many of them show remorse but that this girl hadn't. I think she's bad news.

 

[clint van damme]

Imagine if she was a white child being told that if she leaves her social care home and gets involved in a life of oetty crime to fund her drug habit in response to being sexually abused by a grooming ring.

If you have the choice between being kind and being right always choose being kind and you will always be right

I'm an admirer of your benevolent and charitable attitude Pete and agree with you on many things but I think in this case a more cautious approach is needed, this girl strikes me as a real wrong 'un.
To hear someone with such an ambivalent attitude to seeing a severed head is disturbing and that's not the sort of person I think should be roaming our streets.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I'm an admirer of your benevolent and charitable attitude Pete and agree with you on many things but I think in this case a more cautious approach is needed, this girl strikes me as a real wrong 'un.
To hear someone with such an ambivalent attitude to seeing a severed head is disturbing and that's not the sort of person I think should be roaming our streets.

Sorry kindness here is facing the rule of law. Answering for her actions if she is able to return to this country. I think you absolutely right about law above. I’m certain if we had a refurrendum on the death sentence the will of the people would be to bring it back. I’m also pretty certain this would include public executions. I know this is only a forum but I don’t think there a lot of opinions spouted without thought or for a response or to look big or clever!

If I’d been removed from my family at 15 and chosen to experience what she has id be a screw up too.

Guy on news taking due process and extradite and face justice for her actions rather than to allow her to return

 

[Macca]

I have a feeling that she will be back as I think it's just the start. It's a great chance for the powers that be and associated media to normalise the return of terrorists. A kind of high profile "like it or lump it" case akin to Khans attitude when he talked of accepting terrorism in the UK capital as part and parcel of life. The return of terrorists desensitised to violence and death personally worries me hugely more for my children's future than mine

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

This could be thevthin end of the wedge. If we’re not careful we could end up with troops in the streets in a year or so,

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

This could be thevthin end of the wedge. If we’re not careful we could end up with troops in the streets in a year or so,

If tommy gets his way

 

[Grendel]

If tommy gets his way

He won’t if nearly 18 million people get their way

 

[shmmeee]

This could be thevthin end of the wedge. If we’re not careful we could end up with troops in the streets in a year or so,

Why?

 

[duffer]

Being female, 19 and pregnant makes no real difference to the ability to blow people to pieces in a shopping centre. I'm sure she'd sacrifice an unborn child in the name of her God.

And what indication is there that she has either the will or ability to do that?

If she wanted to martyr herself or her child for the cause she could have done so already one presumes, when she actually had the technology for it. Far from that, her primary reason for returning seems to be for the wellbeing of her child.

What a massive blow this is to their future recruitment, 'join the glory of the Caliphate and watch your children's glorious death through malnutrition as our brave fighters slink away into the darkness'.

Regardless, again the issue here is the law, and whether outrage and hysteria should trump due process. Personally, my belief is that it shouldn't because this is what sets us apart from the fundamentalist loons.

There's nothing that ISIS and their ilk like more than seeing us living in fear and turning our way of life upside down to deal with their threats. They love it when they can point to how we treat Muslims differently to other citizens here; why fall into that trap.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Why?

If, like they say, jihadis come back to the country they won’t Slip back into society quietly and soon enough there will be trouble on the streets. The government won’t and can’t allow it and so as soon as it does, troops will get deployed.