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covcity4life

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I think my assessment might of been more reflective of yours.

Sterling could of helped Thomas far more on the overlap in the second half by being a willing runner. He lacked desire and looked lame frankly. Davies while still relatively poor by his standards was actually active. Clearly lacked match sharpness, what was Sterling’s excuse?


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Sterling got some god crosses in feom by line. 2 of them met with headers

Davies didnt win 1 header all game. Wa spuahed off ball easily and shite paasing

He waa only bettee than burge

But 1 is a tehcnical player feom chelsea. The other is a clogger from non league. We know whixh u like
 

steve82

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I'm not sure why Bayliss is getting some of the higher marks.

Good things:

One good tackle
2 good passes
A goal

Bad things:

The other 89 minutes
Pussying out of tackles
Pussying out of headers
Constantly giving the ball away
Hiding after they scored
Leaving Kelly to manage the midfield on his own

I don't think he's up to playing in central midfield at all.

Tom “febreze” Bayliss?

A few spirts and spays a game is masking over a stinker to often this season.

While I think your assessment from last night is slightly too harsh probably reflective of a disappointing night, however I too believe he goes missing far to much in games but when he gets involved he’s a wonderful talent.

Fact is if you forget last season, if we’d of signed him this summer he’d be on the hit list with the majority of the summer transfers, but the sky blue tinted glasses mask him with the “he glides past players with ease”.

He needs to do more in his game in the position he’s asked to do.


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steve82

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Sterling got some god crosses in feom by line. 2 of them met with headers

Davies didnt win 1 header all game. Wa spuahed off ball easily and shite paasing

He waa only bettee than burge

But 1 is a tehcnical player feom chelsea. The other is a clogger from non league. We know whixh u like

Ok. I give up.

I’ve a headache decoding this


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fernandopartridge

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Burge 5
Sterling 6
Willis 6
Davies 5
Mason 5
Kelly 6 (poor ball retention at times but kept us going)
Bright 5
Bayliss 6
Thomas 6
Bakayoko 5
Hiwula 5

Subs
Shipley 5
Grimmer n/a


Difficult opposition but we came back well from a goal down and the sending off killed momentum, our lack of attacking options is worrying
Robins 6 - would prefer a bit more adventure with 10 men but can't blame him for us losing the game
 

larry_david

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Someone mentioned bright and being a potential red card liability at Walsall. Absolutely agree. We were 2 up and incomplete control and he was starting arguments with their players and the ref. I was worried he'd be off then but Robins took him off as soon as he took the pen and scored. Another who needs to learn. I feel he's very selfish and not a team player. Accrington proved that when he had 2 chances to extend the lead and opted for another step over instead and got tackled
 

lifeskyblue

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Burge 5
Sterling 6
Willis 6
Davies 5
Mason 5
Kelly 6 (poor ball retention at times but kept us going)
Bright 5
Bayliss 6
Thomas 6
Bakayoko 5
Hiwula 5

Subs
Shipley 5
Grimmer n/a


Difficult opposition but we came back well from a goal down and the sending off killed momentum, our lack of attacking options is worrying
Robins 6 - would prefer a bit more adventure with 10 men but can't blame him for us losing the game

Agree with this. After Bright sent off the rest worked incredibly hard. Thought robins’ substitutions strange and burge poor. But I thought fans getting on his back was mad. Yes he made a bad mistake for their goal but he is going to be our number one for the last 11 games. He is a confidence player and ironic jeering just won’t help.


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Sky Blue Harry H

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I know this is about giving players marks, but for me the overriding issue was our tactics on that pitch. Wasps are due to play o it today, so by Tuesday night it will look like the old Baseball ground in the 70s. We cannot pass the ball around the back 4 (particularly back to the centre backs) without expecting bobble and errors. Pretty it may not be, but we are going to have to launch it more and try and battle for the second ball. I presume we will be without Hyam and Willis, so not looking forward to Ched Evans (unless Tom Davies gets a grip). Pointless trying to play little triangles anywhere near our own half, as the pitch is causing us to take an extra touch all the time, allowing opposition to close us down. I would bring a lot of fresh legs in, as I thought we looked leggy - at least we will have had a day's more recovery than Fleetwood. In terms of marks, Mason loses 1 point for not trying to cross the ball in the last minute of the first half then spending 20 seconds over the throw in during which time the ref blew for half time,. I do think the team battled hard when down to ten men - thought Burton might tear us apart. So a bit of credit for that.
 
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I thought we were pretty poor, and Burton whilst not spectacular, managed to cut us open at ease. Yes ref was poor, and yes Burge made a huge error. But we were Still poor

Burge 3 - awful mistake. Probably Our best player before xmas but has been error probe since then.

Sterling 4 - poor game by his standards, didnt offer much going forward and had a torrid time against their winger

Willis 5 - Didnt look comfortable, some woeful passing at times

Davies 3 - got schooled by Adkins.

Mason 3 - clueless past the halfway line. Not helped by not having a proper winger in front of him.

Kelly 4 - nowhere near the benchmark hes set himself. Partially at fault for the goal.

Bayliss 6 - MOTM kept trying to make Things happen after a quiet start

Thomas 3 - no end product. He is as Much to blame for the loss as Burbrigbtu cannot keep missing chances like that.

Bright 3 - yes he has great feet, and Played 1 good ball. But was a passenger for most of the game. Constantly slows the game down. Showpony.

Hiwula 4 - looked better up front. Offers nothing from open play on the left wing.

Baka 3 - isolated by anonymous. He Should take a long look at how Adkins used his body and strength to get involved and protect thr ball.

Subs

Shipley 5.5 - lots of mistakes but at least played with some urgency and moved the ball quickly.

Grimmer n/a

Robins 2 - got his tactics wrong

Ref 1 - 0
Ref 2 - 0

Fans 0 - whilst loud it was a toxic atmosphere.

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Agree with a lot of this. Would personally have Kelly a bit higher, Bayliss a bit lower (he struggles to put together a full game. Is this because he needs a better team to show himself in, will it come with experience, or is he overhyped? We'll see!). Not sure Shipley did anything of note either, mind.

Surprised how gentle people are being on Davies. Don';t care how rusty or otherwise he was, he was just awful. Worst game I've seen Thomas have for us, but he's generally been a bright spark for us so have to allow for it from time to time. Mason was proper confidence issues. Started well, made a couple of mistakes and it got to him for the rest of the first half. Second half he improved a bit, but still not great.

Also don't think Robins's tactics were poor, we just forgot how to pass and trap a ball.
 

Esoterica

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Why have we got David Meyler on loan if you are not going to give him a run in the team big mistake in my opinion.He is an international player being kept out by someone who got relegated with Leyton Orient to the conference.
Do you have any fucking clue what was going on at Leyton orient that season?
 

coop

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Do you have any fucking clue what was going on at Leyton orient that season?
No I don't have a fricking clue.What is the point in having a good player on loan and not playing him I think he would have a calming presence.Im not slagging Kelly off just think Meyler is a better option.All opinions are different.
 

coop

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That comment from coop is ridiculous. He's had to wait 3 months for Kelly to have a 5/10 game before he could say it though!
I don't come on the forum that much now and I think Kelly isn't that bad of a player just think Meyler is a better option.IMO
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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I'm not sure why Bayliss is getting some of the higher marks.

Good things:

One good tackle
2 good passes
A goal

Bad things:

The other 89 minutes
Pussying out of tackles
Pussying out of headers
Constantly giving the ball away
Hiding after they scored
Leaving Kelly to manage the midfield on his own

I don't think he's up to playing in central midfield at all.

He won the ball a good 2-3 times, and his pass to Thomas should’ve ended in a goal. Had Thomas stuck it away, 2-1 up and Bayliss is probably getting rated 8 or 9s by most.

A game of margins.
 

DannyThomas_1981

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Nope just always stick up for the bullied harassed and target of abuse. It’s part of my dna. I am well aware that I was brought up watching oggy keep us up literally single handedly in the premiership and since then I think Westwood is the only keeper that has done the same job consistently every other keeper has had major flaws since oggy retired. I know just how much confidence plays a part and I think Burge is a big confidence player. We have no choice between now and the rest of the season and the reality is he mostly kicks straight and he is a good passer of the ball. The stats would show 90 plus percent but you need 100%. Same with crosses when he chooses to come the stats will show 90% but you need 100%. He stays rooted to his line as he is risk averse and I can’t blame him. He’s currently playing a don’t blame me game rather than a look at how bold I am. So last night after the goal he came charging off his line to clear. Excellent but I’ll bet Grendel and the knuckle draggers can’t even recall it. Even last night I reckon out of his hand he didn’t mess up once and off the floor I can recall one pass to Davies straight out and the goal. After the goal it felt like the worst kind of workplace bullying imaginable but hey he’s a professional so we can treat him like shit and he’ll what play better????? Course he won’t.. and what if robins offers him another contract what then? If I was Burge I’d say fuck off. It’s not as bad debating on here as at the ground.

Can you or anyone tell me of an occasion where someone telling you you were shit and booing you and not trusting you or not valuing you has ever had one positive effect?

Agree with every word of this.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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He won the ball a good 2-3 times, and his pass to Thomas should’ve ended in a goal. Had Thomas stuck it away, 2-1 up and Bayliss is probably getting rated 8 or 9s by most.

If that was the case I'd then argue most of our fans are blindsided.

Going forward is a small percentage of a central midfielders game. All other aspects he is very poor at. Also, if you're saying he won the ball '2 or 3' times during the game then that isn't really something to be boasting about.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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If that was the case I'd then argue most of our fans are blindsided.

Going forward is a small percentage of a central midfielders game. All other aspects he is very poor at. Also, if you're saying he won the ball '2 or 3' times during the game then that isn't really something to be boasting about.

A goal and an assist would be though...
 

rob9872

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I’m not talking about signing him, I’m using his position as an example. There are 3 goalkeepers preferred ahead of him. Myhill is only second choice at West Brom. Andy Lonergan who is a good keeper is not in the running at Middlesbrough I think. These are back up keeper in the championship, all far better than Burge. If they can’t make 2nd Choice, Burge has no chance. He’s not fit to lace their boots
I agree .... but all of those are out of our budget.
 

DannyThomas_1981

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Yes I can - when it happened to me I called my laughably inept manager into a room and showed backed up evidence of prejudice bullying and harassment said I disliked them more then they dislike me and if it carries on I’d drag them through HR and make their life a misery

A week of silence and another conversation. Let’s cut to the chase ive had a conversation with someone else and I’m starting another job in 6 weeks as people value me and no one respects you

I loved it
Perhaps the most irrational and stupid thing I have ever read.
 

Great_Expectations

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We had 10 men

I’m presuming your point was in response to my MR comment? If so, I’m not blaming him for losing the game, but if tactics aren’t working then why not change them, especially when a goal behind with 10 men.

While having 10 men may restrict the changes available, it doesn’t remove the option.

We were struggling to break them down, they had 10 men behind the ball and we had nothing to lose. Why not go for it?
 

ps1948

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Nail on head

Pussies can call crowd toxic but its gone too far now. I havr seen ricoh applaud team ans vurge soon aa his mistake cost us a goal

But he does it 6 or 7 times a season. Fans have had enough

HE NEEDS TO GO. The fans have spoken
SOME "fans" have spoken. How many goals has Burge given away this year? I have counted 3, 2 of which wouldn't have happened in the course of the game if the forwards could do their jobs and score in 1 on 1 situations (Walsall away and last night).

Or, to put it in a way in which you might understand - xyahnnsn erom,ddkkf riikwem dolwe, sdp sole rkks?
 
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Skybluefaz

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SOME "fans" have spoken. How many goals has Burge given away this year? I have counted 3, 2 of which wouldn't have happened in the course of the game if the forwards could do their jobs and score in 1 on 1 situations (Walsall away and last night).

Or, to put it in a way in which you light understand xyahnnsn erom,ddkkf riikwem dolwe, sdp sole rkks?
He's been culpable for more by not claiming or commanding the 6 yard box. We've conceded so many one yard tap ins because he's not dealt with stuff that should be simple bread and butter goalkeeping
 

lifeskyblue

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I can't defend Burge's performance last night but how some of our idiot fans think jeering a keeper midgame is helpful is beyond me.

Bright was abysmal. Equally culpable in my eyes. I called it at half time and said he should be taken out if the firing line. Good feet but holds it too long, wayward passing in poor areas and rash in the tackle - similar v Walsall too. He looks like he has that in him and a liability in waiting when on a yellow.

Can't believe people blaming Thomas. A good move and unlucky to come back off the post, possibly should have scored but couldn't predict what would follow and ran his socks off.

In the middle Bayliss good finish but bottled challenges and Kelly was very poor in passing and decision making but still broke up play well.

Davies rusty at the back but Willis was my motm yet again. Mason reasonable Dujon ok but didn't seem interested.

Up front didn't really do much but then our service to them was pretty woeful.

Shipley was more involved when he came on and I wouldn't blame him for the free kick he's getting stick for. Should have lumped it in the middle but one they've worked on and Thomas didn't execute. I'd start him on Tuesday and go 442 with Hiwula more central next to Baka.

Thank goodness...a bit of sanity.


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cc84cov

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I don't come on the forum that much now and I think Kelly isn't that bad of a player just think Meyler is a better option.IMO
Slightly Different players mate Kelly breaks play up Meyler is more of a ball playing central midfielder
 

cc84cov

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Despite all of the criticisms and low ratings we could have won that game without playing any better
Should of won it Bayliss fucks up for their first burge hands them their second shame really with a proper striker & decent keeper we could be well inside them play off spots
 

covcity4life

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SOME "fans" have spoken. How many goals has Burge given away this year? I have counted 3, 2 of which wouldn't have happened in the course of the game if the forwards could do their jobs and score in 1 on 1 situations (Walsall away and last night).

Or, to put it in a way in which you might understand - xyahnnsn erom,ddkkf riikwem dolwe, sdp sole rkks?
The last few sentences.make more sense than blaming outfield players for burges mistake vs walsall lmao
 

fernandopartridge

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If that was the case I'd then argue most of our fans are blindsided.

Going forward is a small percentage of a central midfielders game. All other aspects he is very poor at. Also, if you're saying he won the ball '2 or 3' times during the game then that isn't really something to be boasting about.
Your latest scapegoat, like Murphy. You ain't got a clue
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Once again we seem to prove my view we're a fair weather team. So many poor performances in bad weather. I knew we were going to get someone sent off as soon as it was mentioned we hadn't had a red card this year.

Burge had a stinker. I am worried that he's made a few since and just before Stockdale and it's got into his head and we'll likely see a few more before the season's out. Really don't see the point in the ironic cheering etc as it's not going to help. I'm not saying anyone should be there throwing praise at him or isn't allowed to let out an expletive of frustration when the fuck up occurs but after that if you can't back him at least be sensible and bite your lip. I am becoming more receptive to the idea of allowing all three keepers to leave at the end of the season and use the whole lot to bring in one vocal Championship quality keeper and hope he doesn't get injured or have a stinker. We would potentially have the loan market if he did though.

Also worried that we may be without Hyam and Willis for Tuesday. I was surprised Davies struggled physically - it what I'd expect him to do well. Be interesting to see if MR would put Grimmer in at CB or bring the likes of Thompson in - personally I think it'd be Grimmer.

Bright can look so good when his runs and tricks come off but when they don't it's infuriating. Some words on here are apt - brainless, showpony and selfish. He is all 'look at me'. His set pieces were absolutely awful too. I think he was unlucky to be sent off, but what's more infuriating is the lack of consistency in the reffing - two or three times they made cynical fouls on the likes of Thomas and they didn't even get spoken too but Bright has two quite minor infringements and gets sent off. When it happened I was thinking "bring him off before he's sent off" then the ref went over and gave him a harsh second yellow.

Someone really needs to take Thomas to one side and say "where you aim the ball at the goal, aim it a yard further into the post. Get it on target and make the keeper save. He might fluff it and it goes in. It could rebound to you or another Cov player and be a tap in. JUST MAKE SURE IT'S ON TARGET!

Tacticswise we came out for the second half and scored early - one of the few times MR seems to have had a positive impact with HT team talk, then the sending off happens and Burge fucks up and it's all lost.

Subs - I can see why you might prefer Shipley on the left instead of Hiwula with ten men and Baka wasn't having a great game but I'm not sure Hiwula up front on his own is a great choice, especially a man down.

But a goal down and two subs left we choose in injury time to swap a LB with a RB, even though there's a LB on the bench? Explain? Even if you don't think Bremang's ready just for a few minutes shove him on and see if he gets a goal because I doubt they've done much, if any, homework on him and his style of play. Really don't get why you'd have players on the bench you are not prepared to bring on. Burroughs for example, who I believe plays as an attacking centre/left midfielder when you've got Shipley, a centre/left midfielder already on the bench and U23's not in the squad.

Once again it points to MR being a manager that cannot alter games and has to stick to the one plan. He can't adapt to in-game situations.

At least we've got the chance to get that out of our systems quickly with another game so quickly. The atmosphere could be terrible if we get off to a bad start and go a goal down though.
 
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ps1948

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The last few sentences.make more sense than blaming outfield players for burges mistake vs walsall lmao
I tried to put it in a way you might understand. I have not blamed the forwards for Burge's mistake (and it was undeniably dreadful) at Walsall.
To clarify, what I meant was that if JCH had scored when he was clear through on goal and hit it past the post (or a couple of the other pretty good chances, including another one missed by Thomas) BEFORE the clanger, then it would never have happened, and who knows where we would be now....
The pity is, football is all about what-ifs, what should have beens, etc. Today's results, with Peterboro and Doncaster losing make it all the more annoying that we didn't win last night.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Your latest scapegoat, like Murphy. You ain't got a clue

Because a few people bum him (guessing yourself included), that means he's untouchable?

He was below par yesterday, face it.

Also if you look at the Fleetwood match thread you'll see I've listed 8 players I would drop. Hardly a scapegoat...
 

Warwickhunt

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Yes Burge did make a mistake but so did Kelly., he passed it onto Burges right foot instead of his left not only that it would have been safer passing it to Burges left as well! Kelly has always played the ball backwards when they pressure him and the opposition know that as well
 

Skybluefaz

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Yes Burge did make a mistake but so did Kelly., he passed it onto Burges right foot instead of his left not only that it would have been safer passing it to Burges left as well! Kelly has always played the ball backwards when they pressure him and the opposition know that as well
Come on. A pro goalie should be able to kick a ball away with either foot
 

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