SISU Statement - Article From Sky Sports (17 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

Sigh

Define “help” and define “reasonable terms” and maybe we’re getting somewhere.

Are they wanting financial help buying land? Do they want CCC to give them/sell them land?

Still not sure what’s stopping them buying land and putting planning in. CCC can’t just deny planning because they don’t like someone. If the app conforms to policy it’s got to be granted.

Am I being too cynical in seeing this as yet another way to kick everything into the long grass so they’ve got time to distress Wasps?

Yes you are being too cynical. Lets see the council step up for a change. Are they prepared to go in to talks to establish what is meant by help and reasonable terms or will they just dismiss it out of hand because its SISU irrespective of the potential damage to the football club.

It is naïve in the extreme to think the council can't make things difficult for any potential stadium project.

 

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[shmmeee]

How what? Can they make things difficult?

Is this where people act naive and thick? Ha

Is this where people avoid actually crystallising their vague accusations because they haven’t a fucking clue what they’re on about?

I’ve been clear for months: give me a concrete thing that CCC can do and I’ll be on the steps of the Council House demanding it with you.

Still 0 for Eleventy billion though.

 

[shmmeee]

Yes you are being too cynical. Lets see the council step up for a change. Are they prepared to go in to talks to establish what is meant by help and reasonable terms or will they just dismiss it out of hand because its SISU irrespective of the potential damage to the football club.

It is naïve in the extreme to think the council can't make things difficult for any potential stadium project.

So, you have no idea either?

I bet Joys pissing herself at how easy this is.

 

[Otis]

Was expecting the standard rubbish so quite surprised at this. Certainly explains why certain people have been going in to overdrive the last few days.

Well and truly puts the ball back in the council & Wasps court. For the first time, at least as far as I can remember, SISU have publically offered an olive branch. The council get onside with a new stadium and Wasps let them stay until its built.

Do we honestly believe for a single second that Sisu have any intention whatsoever of building a new stadium?

Why on earth would we believe that? After all these years of false promises and bullshit.

 

[mark82]

Are there any Facebook groups that this isn’t true for? Jesus the Labour forum is an absolute sewer.

No, Facebook in general is a bit of a cesspit these days.

 

[chiefdave]

You’d likely put outline planning in first I’d imagine. Sadly all the property experts are out of the office right now or I’d get a better answer.

Are you really going to play that dumb on this? Just look at the Wasps planning application and the assistance the council gave to them prior to it being submitted.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Name the sites. I could buy a fair proportion of this if there were any cold hard evidence to back up the rhetoric.

It does no harm to name the sites, why not name the sites? The transactions have been and gone, after all.

 

[skybluegod]

Cheaper than a new build though?

No it isn't as with a new build we will regain the costs back through revenue. We get 365 days on 100% revenue and it brings a load of other benefits.

 

[Nick]

Is this where people avoid actually crystallising their vague accusations because they haven’t a fucking clue what they’re on about?

I’ve been clear for months: give me a concrete thing that CCC can do and I’ll be on the steps of the Council House demanding it with you.

Still 0 for Eleventy billion though.

Erm, they could stop tricks like the one at the butts for starters.

They can vow to not get in the way or try to prevent things for starters.

Why not call on the council to start talks, see how sisu want support?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Look at the assistance other councils give other football clubs. Reasonable terms etc, I’d hazard a guess means not trying to put clauses in to prevent professional football. Fishing exercise or not. Let’s not pretend the council haven’t done wrong or can’t be helpful.

 

[Nick]

So, you have no idea either?

I bet Joys pissing herself at how easy this is.

I bet there are a few worried at the council, hence the desperation I've been pointing out for weeks while you go on about conspiracy it has explained a lot.

 

[Captain Dart]

I did notice a line about EFL regulations restricting where they could build the new ground. I wonder how far away they were considering.

There is nothing concrete in the regs about a distance. These are the relevant regs. Presumably the EFL adjudged any plan submitted so far (if any) as being inappropriate. I heard within 8 miles of council house a few years ago and I remember a Fisher statement about a site slightly further than this which I can't locate at present, more recently a distance of 6 miles has been mentioned.

 

[Nick]

Do we honestly believe for a single second that Sisu have any intention whatsoever of building a new stadium?

Why on earth would we believe that? After all these years of false promises and bullshit.

So surely that's why the council meet and agree to support in any way they can? See what happens then.

Or they could just get people to be angry at sisu and hide behind that to get away with things.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Name the sites. I could buy a fair proportion of this if there were any cold hard evidence to back up the rhetoric.

It does no harm to name the sites, why not name the sites? The transactions have been and gone, after all.

The only reason I could see that they can't is that the negotiations were with private sellers and the signed a NDA or something that could only be revealed to legal professionals.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

People simply refuse to believe the council have done any harm to the club. If Sisu managed a miracle and won the court case, people would still be saying its Sisus fault. They would then refuse to accept the courts decision, like they moan about Sisu doing.

 

[chiefdave]

Do we honestly believe for a single second that Sisu have any intention whatsoever of building a new stadium?

For me it doesn't matter if we believe it or not. We've wanted the legals dropped, here is the olive branch. If it turns out to be a load of BS what do we lose, we're hardly going to be worse off.

Choosing to not believe it and therefore letting the council off means SISU can just sit back and whenever anyone criticises them say they tried but the council refused to help. Call there bluff, there is literally nothing to lose and everything to gain.

 

[Nick]

People simply refuse to believe the council have done any harm to the club. If Sisu managed a miracle and won the court case, people would still be saying its Sisus fault. They would then refuse to accept the courts decision, like they moan about Sisu doing.

There's pr for you

 

[chiefdave]

People simply refuse to believe the council have done any harm to the club. If Sisu managed a miracle and won the court case, people would still be saying its Sisus fault. They would then refuse to accept the courts decision, like they moan about Sisu doing.

Mentioned before all these people who are dead against appeals and the legal action continuing would suddenly change their mind if by some miracle it went SISUs way at some point.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The only reason I could see that they can't is that the negotiations were with private sellers and the signed a NDA or something that could only be revealed to legal professionals.

It's all too convenient. There's empty rhetoric and peevish whining, but nothing to actually go on.

I can believe there's more than one side to a story, I can believe that things have got so bad they get no assistance from CCC to help or encourage... but I see no evidence anywhere bar a few statements that anybody could make.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

The only reason I could see that they can't is that the negotiations were with private sellers and the signed a NDA or something that could only be revealed to legal professionals.

In comparison to this, when CCFC looked at purchasing land to move to a new training facility and away from Ryton, they couldn't disclose the sites by location or name due to what they called legal and commercial sensitivities. I would imagine a purchase of this nature would be very similar.

 

[Captain Dart]

We know for a fact they inquired about Brandon.

That is not in the CCC area, it is Rugby.

 

[Liquid Gold]

For me it doesn't matter if we believe it or not. We've wanted the legals dropped, here is the olive branch. If it turns out to be a load of BS what do we lose, we're hardly going to be worse off.

Choosing to not believe it and therefore letting the council off means SISU can just sit back and whenever anyone criticises them say they tried but the council refused to help. Call there bluff, there is literally nothing to lose and everything to gain.

That's where the frustration comes from. It gives the council the opportunity to back sisu in to a corner. Either they have to build a stadium - great, or they prove sisu have no intention of doing it and are bullshitting - great. Nothing to lose but they'll just say "we can't discuss this due to ongoing legal action" and nothing will change.

 

[Nick]

That is not in the CCC area, it is Rugby.

He didn't say it was

Nice try though.

 

[Nick]

That's where the frustration comes from. It gives the council the opportunity to back sisu in to a corner. Either they have to build a stadium - great, or they prove sisu have no intention of doing it and are bullshitting - great. Nothing to lose but they'll just say "we can't discuss this due to ongoing legal action" and nothing will change.

This is why the trust and everybody else needs to be demanding things. It is going to show a few agendas up if they won't.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

I'm assuming/guessing that SISU will want the Council to support a development where SISU get every other 'partner' - let's say Asda/Hotel chain etc to receive e.g. preferential rates, but have to cough up towards the stadium costs etc (wasn't that how they envisaged stadium x being funded originally?) A probably naïve/crude interpretation (apologies), but I suspect that they want to put pressure on the council to find a cheap new home for the club, feeding on the fans desperation for a positive outcome. I hope it works (hating SISU aside). although I am unsure as to how much energy the Council will want to exercise with such a notoriously difficult organisation. In addition, how amenable will Wasps be with potential loss of future income?

 

[luwalla]

Do i believe they will they build a stadium ? ... im not sure, but they might if they can make it financially viable i guess

Do i believe the Council & Higgs worked in tandem to shaft the club silly long before SISU arrived anyway ? ... you are damn right i do!!

And thats what left us not owning our own home & ultimately leading to the position we are in now.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I'm assuming/guessing that SISU will want the Council to support a development where SISU get every other 'partner' - let's say Asda/Hotel chain etc gets preferential rates, but have to cough up towards the stadium costs etc (wasn't that how they envisaged stadium x being funded originally?) A probably naïve/crude interpretation (apologies), but I suspect that they want to put pressure on the council to find a cheap new home for the club, feeding on the fans desperation for a positive outcome. I hope it works )hating SISU aside). although I am unsure as to how much energy the Council will want to exercise with such a notoriously difficult organisation. In addition, how amenable will Wasps be with potential loss of future income?

Aren't they trying to do that on their own already?

 

[Nick]

Why are people shitting themselves at the thought of the council calling sisu's bluff? It's very telling.

 

[Ian1779]

To be honest if their ‘offer’ is enough to get a medium/long term deal at the Ricoh - then what follows is irrespective. I don’t really care if SISU want to play a long game and wait and see if Wasps bugger off, as long as we have a place to play sorted. And I can’t see why proper CCFC fans would care either.

The loyalty/pandering to Wasps is baffling, and quite frankly pathetic.

 

[chiefdave]

A probably naïve/crude interpretation (apologies), but I suspect that they want to put pressure on the council to find a cheap new home for the club

I have no problem with a potential new home for the club being built at the lowest possible cost. Obviously not the actually building itself in the unlikely event it ever happened, don't want the roof falling in during a game!

In addition, how amenable will Wasps be with potential loss of future income?

They don't need us remember. Stadium is doing just fine and are contribution counts for little. Just like when Lucas kept telling us ACL was 'washing its face'.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Why are people shitting themselves at the thought of the council calling sisu's bluff? It's very telling.

Whats telling about it?

 

[Captain Dart]

Ryton would be perfect, close to the A45 and A46, there is currently land that has not been used by ProLogis off of the Oxford Road, could easily get a 15,000- 20,000 stadium on there.

Fisher made a statement once that Ryton land (referring to old Peugot factory site) was too expensive.

 

[covcity4life]

Sigh

Define “help” and define “reasonable terms” and maybe we’re getting somewhere.

Are they wanting financial help buying land? Do they want CCC to give them/sell them land?

Still not sure what’s stopping them buying land and putting planning in. CCC can’t just deny planning because they don’t like someone. If the app conforms to policy it’s got to be granted.

Am I being too cynical in seeing this as yet another way to kick everything into the long grass so they’ve got time to distress Wasps?

You are being pro council as always

Go to the thread where you stated no criticism should ever be allowed on sky blue talk forum please. Still awaiting your response.

 

[AJB1983]

It is their side of the story certainly.

Contradicts other accounts, omits the judgements in court, provides claims but no proof, puts out figures that are not supported by filed public documents, twists some of the claims made against them. Does produce the odd snippet like the academy that it would be good to have explained. Although it would seem they are not averse to using similar tactics.

Basically not our fault it's everybody else Guv ... No recognition of their own mistakes or short comings at all

Knock yourselves out analysing it but it has provided very little for me and certainly does not move the club forward... More at risk if anything. Not going to help resolve the current problem at all

Mmm, under SISU Coventry city has achieved success....yeah after two relegations from where we started when you took over...

Also in terms of an agreement that the council went back on, my understanding from an extremely good source is that Fisher and co and ACL and council actually shook hands on a deal (can’t recall if it was rent and revenue or an actual sale) and Joy Seppala vetoed it the next day.
This was I think for memory an incident which Fisher explained was just shaking hands as gentlemen do at the end of a meeting.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Aren't they trying to do that on their own already?

I take your point, but I suspect Wasps want a long term deal (minus the legals), not a CCFC go elsewhere.