chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Yes, on CWR this afternoon.
"council officers have met with representatives of the football club in the past to explore issues around stadium locations ... I won't give details as to where they are"
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"council officers have met with representatives of the football club in the past to explore issues around stadium locations ... I won't give details as to where they are"
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
"the city solicitor went on the councils behalf. She did that because she has the legal authority should SISU have of withdrawn their court action she has the authority to accept that"
Something I guess. I wonder how far in the past he was referring to.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Guess the councils responses to FOI requests insisting it had never happened must have been another one of those miscommunications.
Skyblue_CP
Well-Known Member
Its almost unbelievable.. but at the same time utterly believable
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Hold on, weren't FOI requests about planning applications and not preliminary meetings?There have definitely been no applications except some stuff about the Butts, you can search a database for them. I think there was a Cov Tel story with some info about Cov/CCFC working togethr on Butts.
Even if they do not wish to disclose where the sites were why can't SISU release a list of dates when those meetings took place labelling the sites anonumously (e.g. site A, site B etc.), be interesting to see if any were recently or they go back a few years. I don't see why CCC could object.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Nick
Administrator
I'm sure sisu are sat pissing themselves at duggins letting that slip still.
Guess the goalposts will be moved now then to no planning applications have gone in. It was only a few pages back where schmeee was asking why no planning companies had been hired.
They were asked if meetings had taken place, I think Nuneaton and Bedworth said a very first stage meeting had...
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Sky Blue Trust - Trust Freedom of Information (FoI) Requests Results
OK, that was Dec 2014, 4 years have passed since, if there are no subsequent requsts then CJ can a fresh set of requests be made please?
Or Nick make them yourself it only costs a few stamps & the text of the request is already written for you.
OK, that was Dec 2014, 4 years have passed since, if there are no subsequent requsts then CJ can a fresh set of requests be made please?
Or Nick make them yourself it only costs a few stamps & the text of the request is already written for you.
Nick
Administrator
It would be interesting if sisu had actually been meeting with the council within the last 4 years then to try and sort some land?
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Precise.. and if the trust have stopped this line of enquiry why would they?
Although to be fair SISU have been bigging up no new stadium for a while now, maybe they were misled by that attitude.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Do you really think it's likely this has all happened since we've been back at the Ricoh rather than during the time period the club was openly talking about looking for a new stadium site and engaging professionals to undertake the work?
BTW the council have previously been found to have been less than truthful in the responses to other FOI requests.
Nick
Administrator
The way he talks about it makes it seem like it was "in the past".
He should have been asked about the butts to see his reaction.
How long have legals been going on? Interesting if the council have been meeting sisu reps about land while the legals are ongoing
He must be a massive influence behind this though surely... and not in a pastime way. Maybe someone new could come and say , " this was nothing to do with me & id like to put it right " he obviously has no intention of doing that
Nick
Administrator
I googled sky blue trust foi, it says this also
Jan18 FOI ( Freedom of Information) response received from Coventry City Council re potential move to Butts Park Arena. Advised that no discussions/meetings with CCFC,CRFC or anyone acting on their behalf.
Would obviously need to see the foi to see if it was within a date range but there was a discussion about it at one point.
Jan18 FOI ( Freedom of Information) response received from Coventry City Council re potential move to Butts Park Arena. Advised that no discussions/meetings with CCFC,CRFC or anyone acting on their behalf.
Would obviously need to see the foi to see if it was within a date range but there was a discussion about it at one point.
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
No, the FOI requests asked about discussions specifically. They didn't need to ask about applications as that is publicly available.
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
Well-Known Member
It isn't just now, it's been going on for the last 10 years.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
Balloon fight?
Fly_On_The_Wall
New Member
Just listening to GD now what a joke it sounds like he needs to lay off the cigar's or hit the gym.
Sounds like "SOMEONE" is advising him on what to say because he's talking out of his arse and hiding behind the legals.
Councillor's make me laugh no matter their tile they're all liars, it's what they do best!!
Someone should be asking the question has SISU given CCC any plans for a new stadium since 2013/14 and if so why hasn't the CCC actioned any plans.
Sounds like "SOMEONE" is advising him on what to say because he's talking out of his arse and hiding behind the legals.
Councillor's make me laugh no matter their tile they're all liars, it's what they do best!!
Someone should be asking the question has SISU given CCC any plans for a new stadium since 2013/14 and if so why hasn't the CCC actioned any plans.
Mild-Mannered Janitor
Kindest Bloke on CCFC / Maker of CCFC Dreams
We shouldn’t need FOI if we had journalists, the trust, supporters groups asking the same set of questions to the parties involved, you can see from the observer ones how Duggins ducked the questions, press him again on why he didn’t feel it was worth attending to discuss other parts of sorting out a deal and not just hide behind the legal argument being dropped.
Could the supporters trust not create a set of questions that we as fans can then e-mail/send in the post to many different individuals to make their working life such a mess that they actually have to get round the table in the end to remove us as a nuisance.
All politicians in the city
Wasps and any wasps related company
The council direct
SISU and other inter related parties
CCFC
Could we not fund raise to keep asking them for FOI information, companies hate that, it’s so time consuming to provide, we don’t actually have to ask for info about this, we could just have 1,000 fans write into the council for FOI on different matters and they would be screwed in dealing with it.
I know it’s probably too much to ask but the pen has always been mightier than the sword and we have not made the most of this, would be far more effective than sit ins, walks, chanting on TV.
Do these organizations really want to deal with constant nuisance of having to respond to their constituents, supporters, individuals? I know Wasps are really worried about the legacy for a future fan base being marred by angry city fans of the club did move or fold.
I don’t know how this could be galvanized or structured but it’s why I joined the trust on day 1 with lifetime membership as I thought they could be the body to drive this forward.
Could the supporters trust not create a set of questions that we as fans can then e-mail/send in the post to many different individuals to make their working life such a mess that they actually have to get round the table in the end to remove us as a nuisance.
All politicians in the city
Wasps and any wasps related company
The council direct
SISU and other inter related parties
CCFC
Could we not fund raise to keep asking them for FOI information, companies hate that, it’s so time consuming to provide, we don’t actually have to ask for info about this, we could just have 1,000 fans write into the council for FOI on different matters and they would be screwed in dealing with it.
I know it’s probably too much to ask but the pen has always been mightier than the sword and we have not made the most of this, would be far more effective than sit ins, walks, chanting on TV.
Do these organizations really want to deal with constant nuisance of having to respond to their constituents, supporters, individuals? I know Wasps are really worried about the legacy for a future fan base being marred by angry city fans of the club did move or fold.
I don’t know how this could be galvanized or structured but it’s why I joined the trust on day 1 with lifetime membership as I thought they could be the body to drive this forward.
All the above suggestions and ideas are fine but isn’t a very important point being missed there’s five weeks to go before this EGM and I suspect there will need to be more than words as to sisu plans to satisfy the EFL and its members. Imo it needs Sepalla to officially cancel the legals, Wasps then to offer reasonable terms for renting us the Ricoh for a minimum of two years and then sisu and the council to seriously get their heads together in locating a suitable site and also sisu to publicly outline their plan, costs etc. A lot of this should be basically done in the previous conversations we know have happened. There are alsorts of hurdles to get over, planning, objections from the nimbys etc but if the will is there we can get through this.
Nick
Administrator
Its almost as if you don't read the whole thread and points before posting
SkyBlueZack
Well-Known Member
How about wasps agree terms before the legals are dropped? Once dropped, everything is signed off. Why the insistence on them being dropped first?
Lord_Nampil
Well-Known Member
I feel wasps could be the ones that push the council to talk. If you think about it they can see a resolution that they would be happy with, it’s the council refusing to move! If they put an offer down it puts pressure on the council, especially if we accept the deal as well!!
I’ll tell you why, Sepalla has publicly said she will stop the legals if.... Anytime now there is to be an appeal at the highest court in the land I’m not sure how she can explain and justify to the judges there about using the reason she is there as a bargaining chip. If the legals were cancelled I think it could put her in a good position to acquire the suitable land she is after.
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
Well-Known Member
Could we not fund raise to keep asking them for FOI information, companies hate that, it’s so time consuming to provide, we don’t actually have to ask for info about this, we could just have 1,000 fans write into the council for FOI on different matters and they would be screwed in dealing with it.
Private companies are not subject to FOI requests.
The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) gives you the right to access recorded information held by public sector organisations.
It also says "recorded" so informal enquiries probably not caught by the Act
D
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Well, they can stop bothering if they consider you vexatious.
Or... they could employ plenty more compliance managers at the expense of other jobs.
Said it before, will say it again, FOI is a waste of time as it only shows what's recorded, and informal chats won't be. FOI's also an excuse for journalists not to do actual journalism, talk to people, build relationships, find out the proper story. Why do that when you can bang off a few requests in your lunchtime which, while not really providing the story, will provide a story.
Sky Blue Pete
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Looks like I need 10 people to nominate me in the cheylesmore ward and an agent. Anyone live here?
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MalcSB
Well-Known Member
Really not easy to prove an foi is vexatious.
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
The targets for protest really need to be the council and wasps, perhaps especially wasps. And persist in to next season if CCFC is no more. Make life really uncomfortable for wasps supporters and sponsors. Having only just spotted that Purity, makers of my favourite beer and a Warwickshire based brewery, are wasps “partners” I will never buy their products again.