The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (84 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Believe it or not but there are remain voters up and down the country, not just in London.

Also in Germany as has been proved. In the end it’s oointkess posturing and an excuse for a stroll around London on a nice day - oh and a few Z lists celebraties get the opportunity to show they are “down there” with the kids and also a motley crew of some deeply unsavoury politicians

 

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[martcov]

Believe it or not but there are remain voters up and down the country, not just in London.

Some people live in small villages and can’t imagine what the rest of the world looks like. I posted the Mail online take on it. But he obviously has a mental block. Denial in the extreme.

Millions don’t want Brexit. More than half the country according to polls.

 

[Grendel]

Some people live in small villages and can’t imagine what the rest of the world looks like. I posted the Mail online take on it. But he obviously has a mental block. Denial in the extreme.

Millions don’t want Brexit. More than half the country according to polls.

Millions also do - you really are starting to get desperate aren’t you

 

[martcov]

Also in Germany as has been proved. In the end it’s oointkess posturing and an excuse for a stroll around London on a nice day - oh and a few Z lists celebraties get the opportunity to show they are “down there” with the kids and also a motley crew of some deeply unsavoury politicians

The view of a bitter person whose xenophobic wet dream is put in doubt. There are plenty like you getting extremely worried that decent people are not going to accept an act supported by the likes of Trump, Bannon, Farage, Banks, Wigmore, Gove, Mogg, Raab etc, who you have never classed as unsavoury politicians. Wonder why you don’t? ( Banks and Wigsy are not politicians but have interfered in British politics to the detriment of the UK )

 

[Sick Boy]

Also in Germany as has been proved. In the end it’s oointkess posturing and an excuse for a stroll around London on a nice day - oh and a few Z lists celebraties get the opportunity to show they are “down there” with the kids and also a motley crew of some deeply unsavoury politicians

Those with dual citizenship can also vote if they’ve been living in the UK within the last 15 years. I signed the Brexit petition and don’t live in the UK now, as is my right.

I would say the likes of Farage and Robinson’s organised marches are far more unsavoury, Id know which side I would rather be on

 

[martcov]

Millions also do - you really are starting to get desperate aren’t you

Millions do not want Brexit. All polls show that. Are you seriously denying it?

 

[Astute]

Some people live in small villages and can’t imagine what the rest of the world looks like. I posted the Mail online take on it. But he obviously has a mental block. Denial in the extreme.

Millions don’t want Brexit. More than half the country according to polls.

But why read or post a link from the Mail after the comments you have made previously when someone has quoted the Mail?

There must be another rag saying something similar somewhere.

 

[martcov]

The fucking hypocrisy, all of a sudden you are quoting the daily hate mail.

I did that because people like you may believe it. You can read the Guardian if you like, but you won’t believe that left wing rag.

 

[martcov]

But why read or post a link from the Mail after the comments you have made previously when someone has quoted the Mail?

There must be another rag saying something similar somewhere.

I just explained that. If I linked to the Independent or Guardian there would be scoffing and mocking from the usual suspects, so I chose a „neutral“ source that they may believe.

 

[martcov]

Also in Germany as has been proved. In the end it’s oointkess posturing and an excuse for a stroll around London on a nice day - oh and a few Z lists celebraties get the opportunity to show they are “down there” with the kids and also a motley crew of some deeply unsavoury politicians

Excuse for what? You’ve changed your tune. Before it was for screeching and a piss up.

 

[Ashdown]

This is your life Mart, you are utterly obsessed with it all. I worry about people like you. Quite frankly I've had bigger issues in my life over the last year than Brexit. I'm bored of it all and like many others won't even bother to partake in their so called democracy in the future.

 

[Astute]

I just explained that. If I linked to the Independent or Guardian there would be scoffing and mocking from the usual suspects, so I chose a „neutral“ source that they may believe.

You explained nothing. You had a go at me lots of times because of where links came from. And the list got bigger as we went along. But when it suits you use them yourself.

What would your reply have been to me if I put the Mail as a link?

 

[Sick Boy]

This is your life Mart, you are utterly obsessed with it all. I worry about people like you. Quite frankly I've had bigger issues in my life over the last year than Brexit. I'm bored of it all and like many others won't even bother to partake in their so called democracy in the future.

I’d be more concerned about actual issues like people going around shooting at innocent people due to their beliefs and where they’re born, rather than someone putting their point of view across on a football forum, which he is entitled to do.

 

[Ashdown]

I’d be more concerned about actual issues like people going around shooting at innocent people due to their beliefs and where they’re born, rather than someone putting their point of view across on a football forum, which he is entitled to do.

Yes I am, all of that and much more going wrong in the world, all down humanity and inhumanity. Mart can keep his life's work, good luck to him , trying to prop up a bunch of middle men in Brussels.

 

[martcov]

You explained nothing. You had a go at me lots of times because of where links came from. And the list got bigger as we went along. But when it suits you use them yourself.

What would your reply have been to me if I put the Mail as a link?

I have explained. But here we go again. I said check the Guardian if you like. You would not be able to verify your links via the Guardian

 

[martcov]

Yes I am, all of that and much more going wrong in the world, all down humanity and inhumanity. Mart can keep his life's work, good luck to him , trying to prop up a bunch of middle men in Brussels.

I am on the side of people working together to solve European problems in a strong group. You are on the side of BS, hate and xenophobic people. Enjoy your life.. if you can in your world.

 

[martcov]

Yes I am, all of that and much more going wrong in the world, all down humanity and inhumanity. Mart can keep his life's work, good luck to him , trying to prop up a bunch of middle men in Brussels.

David Heseltine on Churchill: Insisting the wartime prime minister feared isolation, he told the crowd: “I look back over 70 years of peace in Europe, 50 years of European partnership ... parliamentary democracies working together with power based on a shared sovereignty far in excess of anything any one of us could achieve individually.”

A slightly different point of view from your bitter twisted view.

 

[Grendel]

The view of a bitter person whose xenophobic wet dream is put in doubt. There are plenty like you getting extremely worried that decent people are not going to accept an act supported by the likes of Trump, Bannon, Farage, Banks, Wigmore, Gove, Mogg, Raab etc, who you have never classed as unsavoury politicians. Wonder why you don’t? ( Banks and Wigsy are not politicians but have interfered in British politics to the detriment of the UK )

You are the best advert for leave o show your posts to people all the time — this is another gem

 

[martcov]

You are the best advert for leave o show your posts to people all the time — this is another gem

Yeah sure I am. Your hard right views more than counteract any rage my moderate views about people working together and international cooperation might create in your small clique of acolytes. You and a handful of others live in a hard right bubble along with the Tommy fans and Farage followers. Just look at what you are associated with? I know what side of history I want to be associated with, and it isn‘t with aggressive, inarticulate, bitter, xenophobic Brexiteers. You obviously have lower standards. Fair play to you, but not my scene.

 

[Ashdown]

I am on the side of people working together to solve European problems in a strong group. You are on the side of BS, hate and xenophobic people. Enjoy your life.. if you can in your world.

You know nothing about me, but your vitriol again shows your obsessive nature and intolerance of anyone who won't comply and agree with you. I don't hate anyone and I'm certainly not xenophobic, I'm more concerned with reality and the numbers of people in the UK and the impact of over population. Did you read that article last week that concerns our fresh water supply being in real jeopardy in just 25 years if current trends continue........oh no you wouldn't have would you ?!

 

[Ashdown]

England set to run short of water within 25 years, Environment Agency warns

 

[Grendel]

Yeah sure I am. Your hard right views more than counteract any rage my moderate views about people working together and international cooperation might create in your small clique of acolytes. You and a handful of others live in a hard right bubble along with the Tommy fans and Farage followers. Just look at what you are associated with? I know what side of history I want to be associated with, and it isn‘t with aggressive, inarticulate, bitter, xenophobic Brexiteers. You obviously have lower standards. Fair play to you, but not my scene.

Most people who want to leave have and always will be at the left of the political ground. The core values are centred around the ability to introduce socialist and reform policies without the approval of a right wing conservative quango in Brussels.

The idiocy of your argument is laid bare. People work together oddly without have to have a centralised parliament which makes significant economic and fiscal policies which many member states have no say in.

This is an economic superstate which is very right of centre in its ideology and whose sole aim is to work for the benefit of the few at the top of the food chain at the expense of the many. Of course you don’t and cant see it as your country is at the very top of that chain and looks down at the bottom and laughs

Sorry I’m better than that

 

[Ashdown]

David Heseltine on Churchill: Insisting the wartime prime minister feared isolation, he told the crowd: “I look back over 70 years of peace in Europe, 50 years of European partnership ... parliamentary democracies working together with power based on a shared sovereignty far in excess of anything any one of us could achieve individually.”

A slightly different point of view from your bitter twisted view.

I read that and you are trying to put us all in the same pigeonhole as your Brother, that's concerning.

 

[Ashdown]

'Our children are suffocating'
Do you think a continuation of 250,000 more people to the UK per annum is going to help these kids ?!

 

[Sick Boy]

'Our children are suffocating'
Do you think a continuation of 250,000 more people to the UK per annum is going to help these kids ?!

If the economy tanks then you won’t have to worry because it’ll go down as there won’t be jobs to be filled.

If you genuinely believe that leaving the EU will actually lead to a reduction in overall migration then you’re going to end up disappointed.

Who is going to be the latest in the big blame game then?

 

[Grendel]

If the economy tanks then you won’t have to worry because it’ll go down.

If you genuinely believe that leaving the EU will actually lead to a reduction in overall migration then you’re going to end up disappointed.

It would give the elected government the ability to do so if it chose to

 

[Sick Boy]

It would give the elected government the ability to do so if it chose to

What like rest of the world migration? Other countries also manage to control EU migration to a certain extent, which Britain has chosen not to. In fact there’s little understanding of exactly who is in the country and who isn’t and in the UK it is massively uncontrolled and workers can stay indefinitely even if they don’t have a job.

Whose fault is that? Successive UK governments.

I had the police come to ours last week to check my work contract and a recent payslip and to confirm I was living at the property, the Uk has never bothered to implement anything like this. To get healthcare I’ve had to prove I have a job and produce several payslips.

Again, nothing like that has ever been implemented in the Uk.

 

[Grendel]

What like rest of the world migration? Other countries also manage to control EU migration to a certain extent, which Britain has chosen not to. In fact there’s little understanding of exactly who is in the country and who isn’t and in the UK it is massively uncontrolled and workers can stay indefinitely even if they don’t have a job.

Whose fault is that? Successive UK governments.

I had the police come to ours last week to check my work contract and a recent payslip and to confirm I was living at the property, the Uk has never bothered to implement anything like this. To get healthcare I’ve had to prove I have a job and produce several payslips.

Again, nothing like that has ever been implemented in the Uk.

It’s fascinating every time we discuss this the police have just come to your house

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s fascinating every time we discuss this the police have just come to your house

Well, it’s part of the Italian residency process and I moved back over on the 1st January, so it’s not really a surprise.

They last came in December 2013 for my old residency, so what you’ve said isn’t actually true as I was living in the UK when it was last discussed.

And I’ve only ever claimed residency twice, which surprisingly enough, is the number of times they’ve done the checks. They also do it for everyone regardless of whether you’re an immigrant or not.

 

[Ashdown]

What like rest of the world migration? Other countries also manage to control EU migration to a certain extent, which Britain has chosen not to. In fact there’s little understanding of exactly who is in the country and who isn’t and in the UK it is massively uncontrolled and workers can stay indefinitely even if they don’t have a job.

Whose fault is that? Successive UK governments.

I had the police come to ours last week to check my work contract and a recent payslip and to confirm I was living at the property, the Uk has never bothered to implement anything like this. To get healthcare I’ve had to prove I have a job and produce several payslips.

Again, nothing like that has ever been implemented in the Uk.

Very true and all appalling!

 

[martcov]

I read that and you are trying to put us all in the same pigeonhole as your Brother, that's concerning.

Errr... you are. I’ve heard all your rants before.

 

[martcov]

What like rest of the world migration? Other countries also manage to control EU migration to a certain extent, which Britain has chosen not to. In fact there’s little understanding of exactly who is in the country and who isn’t and in the UK it is massively uncontrolled and workers can stay indefinitely even if they don’t have a job.

Whose fault is that? Successive UK governments.

I had the police come to ours last week to check my work contract and a recent payslip and to confirm I was living at the property, the Uk has never bothered to implement anything like this. To get healthcare I’ve had to prove I have a job and produce several payslips.

Again, nothing like that has ever been implemented in the Uk.

The Zoll did a raid on the building site where my daughter‘s Spanish boyfriend is working. He had to show id and prove he was registered at his address and was working for at least the minimum wage. Easy to do where you have ID cards and a registered address. You have to have a written contract of employment with a wage of at least the minimum wage.

The UK dropped the plans for if cards and registered addresses.

 

[Sick Boy]

The Zoll did a raid on the building site where my daughter‘s Spanish boyfriend is working. He had to show id and prove he was registered at his address and was working for at least the minimum wage. Easy to do where you have ID cards and a registered address. You have to have a written contract of employment with a wage of at least the minimum wage.

The UK dropped the plans for if cards and registered addresses.

I got my new electronic ID card through the other day, I don’t seem the issue with them personally and they’re no more intrusive than a passport or driving licence.

Brexit would make their introduction more likely as well,IMO

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Believe it or not but there are remain voters up and down the country, not just in London.

And not all foreign born either. Not that there's anything wrong with being foreign born, and pretty low to try and distinguish and differentiate anyway.

 

[martcov]

Most people who want to leave have and always will be at the left of the political ground. The core values are centred around the ability to introduce socialist and reform policies without the approval of a right wing conservative quango in Brussels.

The idiocy of your argument is laid bare. People work together oddly without have to have a centralised parliament which makes significant economic and fiscal policies which many member states have no say in.

This is an economic superstate which is very right of centre in its ideology and whose sole aim is to work for the benefit of the few at the top of the food chain at the expense of the many. Of course you don’t and cant see it as your country is at the very top of that chain and looks down at the bottom and laughs

Sorry I’m better than that

Brexit is not Socialist. There were loads of socialists amongst us. Obviously they prefer the present EU to the 70s Bennite version you quote and to Brexit.