Woodlands (10 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why haven’t you commented on a certain other thread Tony? Missed it? Why do you try a oneupmanship and patronising approach when basically you are a tad thick?

Oh dear

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

The part where there's any illusion that SISU are actually committed to building a brand new stadium.

I'd genuinely love to know why Plan A was staying at the Ricoh until not so long ago, and now Plan A has morphed into 'we've been trying to build a stadium for X amount of time, but keep getting unreasonably delayed'.

It's all running remarkably similarly to last time out as far as I can see.

 

[chiefdave]

This is even before you enter the discussion of if you believe they have any attention building a stadium anywhere at any point. I’ll put my cards on the table. I don’t believe they have. Do you?

No I don't which is why I want them called out on it. Expose them instead of dicking around giving them an ever increasing amount of ammunition to take to the EFL.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'd genuinely love to know why Plan A was staying at the Ricoh until not so long ago, and now Plan A has morphed into 'we've been trying to build a stadium for X amount of time, but keep getting unreasonably delayed'.

It's all running remarkably similarly to last time out as far as I can see.

We will all be dead from having to consume this much bullshit from all parties.

Nick Eastwood said he had no issue with the legals and could separate club from owner. Now he can't.

The Council claim to have had no prior contact with Wasps pre-sale and that SISU made no enquiries for a new ground. They also claimed that a pathway to ownership existed as late as August 2014. Turns out they were lying.

SISU claimed to have had sites and plans for a new ground drawn up in 2013. Then they embarked on the plan to bust ACL and get it on the cheap. That didn't work so it's back to trying to bust Wasps from the legals and get the Ricoh on the cheap. But it's now also been the plan to build a ground at Woodlands despite no more than an enquiry taking place in 6 years since the new ground talk began.

Honestly fuck the lot of them, I thought our problems couldn't get worse than Magnus Hedman getting tackled by Phil Jevons 40 yards from goal. How wrong I was

 

[Deleted member 5849]

We will all be dead from having to consume this much bullshit from all parties.

Nick Eastwood said he had no issue with the legals and could separate club from owner. Now he can't.

The Council claim to have had no prior contact with Wasps pre-sale and that SISU made no enquiries for a new ground. They also claimed that a pathway to ownership existed as late as August 2014. Turns out they were lying.

SISU claimed to have had sites and plans for a new ground drawn up in 2013. Then they embarked on the plan to bust ACL and get it on the cheap. That didn't work so it's back to trying to bust Wasps from the legals and get the Ricoh on the cheap. But it's now also been the plan to build a ground at Woodlands despite no more than an enquiry taking place in 6 years since the new ground talk began.

Honestly fuck the lot of them, I thought our problems couldn't get worse than Magnus Hedman getting tackled by Phil Jevons 40 yards from goal. How wrong I was

I miss the days of discussing if Dean Gordon had a good game at the weekend (he never did!)

 

[Captain Dart]

I would have thought most people on here would be bothered about the situation our club finds itself in. Think you'll find you're in a very small group in not caring about it or wanting it to be resolved as quickly as possible.

Do you believe SISU are genuine about building a stadium?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I miss the days of discussing if Dean Gordon had a good game at the weekend (he never did!)

Or wondering if Dean Holdsworth would ever find the net in a league game

 

[Liquid Gold]

It's a win win for the council. Give them the option on the site and if they build a stadium then you redevelop part of the city. If they don't they don't then they can't fall back to the EFL with their sob story.

Why would any city fan be against speeding this up?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Or wondering if Dean Holdsworth would ever find the net in a league game

I saw his only first team goal!

Still can't quite believe it happened.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

if they build a stadium

I will abseil it in a Wasps kit

 

[Liquid Gold]

I will abseil it in a Wasps kit

And I'll finish the opening ceremony with a rousing rendition of the vengabus.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And I'll finish the opening ceremony with a rousing rendition of the vengabus.

Actually in honour of its former use maybe some schoolboys could call Fisher a prick

 

[vow]

I thought our problems couldn't get worse than Magnus Hedman leaving and taking his missus with him..

Amended for you.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Amended for you.

I was only 12 when that happened to be fair

 

[win9nut]

If you remember Wasps were playing the benevolent franchise rugby club and reached out to offer the CCFC academy to rent some of the planned facilities - this offer was made public on 2nd June 2016, around the time the plans were submitted.

The parties are different here but the premise is the same, Wasps had made some sort of agreement with the CSF prior to submitting the application.

Wasps submit plans for £7m training centre at CCFC Academy site
Wasps offer to help Coventry City Academy stay at Higgs Centre

Sorry I misread your post! I thought it said the plan came before the offer, hence my strange reply!

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

In fairness, I'm not saying that really. I'm just saying that the idea that SISU should spend significant sums on something that is apparently a non-starter (local planning expert skybluetony176 has said it is) is a little off the mark.

Sorry FP-I meant that Wasps seemed to have planning done and dusted with no effort yet SISU are having difficulties right at the beginning.


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[skybluetony176]

I would have thought most people on here would be bothered about the situation our club finds itself in. Think you'll find you're in a very small group in not caring about it or wanting it to be resolved as quickly as possible.

I want SISU to drop the pointless litigation. That will sort it out overnight. I won’t indulge SISU in the continuing saga of imagination stadium. Like the majority of our fans I want these things because I want it resolved in the quickest possible way and possibly the only possible way. I think you’ll find that you’re in the minority you talk about not me.

 

[skybluetony176]

I'd genuinely love to know why Plan A was staying at the Ricoh until not so long ago, and now Plan A has morphed into 'we've been trying to build a stadium for X amount of time, but keep getting unreasonably delayed'.

It's all running remarkably similarly to last time out as far as I can see.

Exactly.

 

[Ricketts]

What did you use to do that?

Glue, Paper, scissors and an iphone to upload the image.

Why pay millions?

 

[pusbccfc]

Local election results for Woodlands Ward May 2018 suggest otherwise mate
Woodlands Ward - Conservative hold | Coventry City Council (local) elections results - 3 May 2018 | Coventry City Council

Maybe at a local level, but I'd be absolutely blown away if that was the case for national.

 

[skybluetony176]

No I don't which is why I want them called out on it. Expose them instead of dicking around giving them an ever increasing amount of ammunition to take to the EFL.

Are you talking about the council or SISU? It equally applies to both as I’ve already pointed out. You seem unwilling to acknowledge though that SISU started dicking around over two years ago with the woodlands site when they first identified it for another purpose. As NW has pointed out not that long ago staying at the Ricoh was plan A and now it’s all of a sudden we’ve been trying to build a stadium from a period predating plan A. If you want to make dicking around a competition which you clearly do there’s only one winner when it comes the length of time.

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

I don’t. That’s why I said unless SISU can prove otherwise. Nothing stopping them releasing a statement with some PDF’s is there? I’d welcome it in fact.

I’m well aware of what the council has said and done. I’m also well aware that SISU have trodden this path before so you’ll excuse me if I don’t go all RFC over it given our previous experience. Let’s see something of substance.

Yet you keep repeating the same old shit about two sheets of paper.

I’m interested to know whether you actually want a new stadium or not?

Does it really matter how we get there just as long as we do?

Don’t we all want a stadium that we can call our own and reap all the financial benefits of owning our own stadium?


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[skybluetony176]

Yet you keep repeating the same old shit about two sheets of paper.

I’m interested to know whether you actually want a new stadium or not?

Does it really matter how we get there just as long as we do?

Don’t we all want a stadium that we can call our own and reap all the financial benefits of owning our own stadium?


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I’d love either a new stadium (traditional not bowl, 25K capacity so a proper HR2) or ownership of the Ricoh. Neither are going to happen under SISU though unless someone dies and leaves the Ricoh to them in their will.

Of course it matters how we get there. There’s only one way to do it and it starts with the intention of doing it. We’re not there regardless of how Dave tries to sell it.

 

[SBAndy]

Are you talking about the council or SISU? It equally applies to both as I’ve already pointed out. You seem unwilling to acknowledge though that SISU started dicking around over two years ago with the woodlands site when they first identified it for another purpose. As NW has pointed out not that long ago staying at the Ricoh was plan A and now it’s all of a sudden we’ve been trying to build a stadium from a period predating plan A. If you want to make dicking around a competition which you clearly do there’s only one winner when it comes the length of time.

So SISU drop the legals, opening up avenues of conversation with both Wasps and CCC. Wasps say “£1m a year please” and CCC decide they don’t want to sell the land. And then what’s the point.

This is why CD is suggesting the council should commit to talks. All of a sudden that’s one condition of dropping the legals almost there. Then Wasps agree a provisional tenancy. Condition 2 partially met. And then if SISU opt to continue their legal action its fucking evident to everyone.

 

[skybluetony176]

So SISU drop the legals, opening up avenues of conversation with both Wasps and CCC. Wasps say “£1m a year please” and CCC decide they don’t want to sell the land. And then what’s the point.

This is why CD is suggesting the council should commit to talks. All of a sudden that’s one condition of dropping the legals almost there. Then Wasps agree a provisional tenancy. Condition 2 partially met. And then if SISU opt to continue their legal action its fucking evident to everyone.

It’s pointless. That’s the point. It’s a barrier for the club. That’s the point. Dropping them is the only possible way the club will ever benefit from them. That’s the point. All the legals not just the current round have never done anything other than damage the club. That’s the point. That’s what should be evident to everyone.

 

[SBAndy]

It’s pointless. That’s the point. It’s a barrier for the club. That’s the point. Dropping them is the only possible way the club will ever benefit from them. That’s the point. All the legals not just the current round have never done anything other than damage the club. That’s the point. That’s what should be evident to everyone.

And now you’ve stated that, I’m sure SISU will just drop them. You need to be pragmatic about the situation. Will SISU decide tomorrow that the legal route isn’t the best to take? No. Have they made it clear (in the public eye at least) what their expectations are in order for them to drop the legal action? Yes. Would either CCC or Wasps talking to the club on a provisional basis cause them any further issues? No. In which case, get on with it.

 

[Grendel]

And now you’ve stated that, I’m sure SISU will just drop them. You need to be pragmatic about the situation. Will SISU decide tomorrow that the legal route isn’t the best to take? No. Have they made it clear (in the public eye at least) what their expectations are in order for them to drop the legal action? Yes. Would either CCC or Wasps talking to the club on a provisional basis cause them any further issues? No. In which case, get on with it.

Why bother - it’s beyond his pay grade

 

[Paxman II]

I'd like to see what the current tenancy agreement at the Ricoh actually says.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Why haven’t you commented on a certain other thread Tony? Missed it? Why do you try a oneupmanship and patronising approach when basically you are a tad thick?

I asked him earlier, he missed it again though.

 

[skybluetony176]

I asked him earlier, he missed it again though.

Same reason.

 

[skybluetony176]

And now you’ve stated that, I’m sure SISU will just drop them. You need to be pragmatic about the situation. Will SISU decide tomorrow that the legal route isn’t the best to take? No. Have they made it clear (in the public eye at least) what their expectations are in order for them to drop the legal action? Yes. Would either CCC or Wasps talking to the club on a provisional basis cause them any further issues? No. In which case, get on with it.

Of course they won’t and I’m not suggesting they will. It’s history repeating. SISU doing the same things expecting different results. This is just the same loop as last time, I expect the same results. When we’ve got to 360 degrees we’ll be infinitely worse off than we were at 0 degrees. Same as last time. Rinse and repeat.

 

[hopesprings]

Yet you keep repeating the same old shit about two sheets of paper.

I’m interested to know whether you actually want a new stadium or not?

Does it really matter how we get there just as long as we do?

Don’t we all want a stadium that we can call our own and reap all the financial benefits of owning our own stadium?


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But it will not be our stadium it will be SISSU's able to charge what rent they want and keep all the revenue they want. It will NOT be owned by CCFC..... even if it ever got built.

 

[win9nut]

Are you talking about the council or SISU? It equally applies to both as I’ve already pointed out. You seem unwilling to acknowledge though that SISU started dicking around over two years ago with the woodlands site when they first identified it for another purpose. As NW has pointed out not that long ago staying at the Ricoh was plan A and now it’s all of a sudden we’ve been trying to build a stadium from a period predating plan A. If you want to make dicking around a competition which you clearly do there’s only one winner when it comes the length of time.

Plan A is still the Ricoh, just not for the long term....

 

[win9nut]

But it will not be our stadium it will be SISSU's able to charge what rent they want and keep all the revenue they want. It will NOT be owned by CCFC..... even if it ever got built.

That don't really matter though... SISU will be responsible for the clubs losses... It only matters when SISU come to divest. But then who would be mad enough to buy a club without a stadium these days...

 

[SBAndy]

Of course they won’t and I’m not suggesting they will. It’s history repeating. SISU doing the same things expecting different results. This is just the same loop as last time, I expect the same results. When we’ve got to 360 degrees we’ll be infinitely worse off than we were at 0 degrees. Same as last time. Rinse and repeat.

You say you know they won’t drop the legal action, but actively discourage the council in partaking in something that SISU have made clear would result in the dropping of the legal action. Honestly, you’ve lost me.