Local elections (13 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

They've not got hammered in either Coventry or Rugby.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

They've not got hammered in either Coventry or Rugby.

Helps when people lose their vote without being told

 

[martcov]

Looks like both major parties are taking a hammering ! Good ! The Tories have been useless and Corbyns a chancer. They’ve both been a disgrace lately. I feel sorry for the local councillors of the big two parties, a lot of whom are hard working and don’t deserve to be connected to the pathetic mess in Parliament, as they are bearing the brunt of ill feeling. However, hopefully this sends a message, as will the European Elections in the three weeks.

Ps interesting that I believe UKIP have lost seats so far (I think) So all the people who thought this was turning into a racist nation after Brexit should hold their hands up. A majority of people in this country are decent, hard working and tolerant. They have seen the direction UKIP are travelling and don’t like it.

A lot of UKIP voters would have now voted Brexit Party, but seeing as there are no candidates, they probably stayed at home. No doubt they will be out following their leader in his new party at the EU elections.

 

[Sick Boy]

Looks like both major parties are taking a hammering ! Good ! The Tories have been useless and Corbyns a chancer. They’ve both been a disgrace lately. I feel sorry for the local councillors of the big two parties, a lot of whom are hard working and don’t deserve to be connected to the pathetic mess in Parliament, as they are bearing the brunt of ill feeling. However, hopefully this sends a message, as will the European Elections in the three weeks.

Ps interesting that I believe UKIP have lost seats so far (I think) So all the people who thought this was turning into a racist nation after Brexit should hold their hands up. A majority of people in this country are decent, hard working and tolerant. They have seen the direction UKIP are travelling and don’t like it.

Using that same logic then, surely considering the Lib Dems’ gains you believe the country has seen the reality of Brexit and doesn’t like it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Using that same logic then, surely considering the Lib Dems’ gains you believe the country has seen the reality of Brexit and doesn’t like it?

It does show why it'd be unwise to read too much into it. More a protest, than a positive statement.

 

[Covstu]

Haven’t looked at the results in detail but no much overall movement was there?

 

[Covstu]

Voted green in the end.

Same!

 

[martcov]

It does show why it'd be unwise to read too much into it. More a protest, than a positive statement.

Turnout figures will show if more stayed at home out of protest seeing themselves as not represented at all. The EU elections will be more of a barometer because the angry brexiters will be motivated and have a party to vote for.

 

[vow]

Voted Green Party, but Cons gained/Lab lost in Bablake Ward.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Using that same logic then, surely considering the Lib Dems’ gains you believe the country has seen the reality of Brexit and doesn’t like it?

Not at all. This is a semi protest vote against the main two parties handling of Brexit.

I think the European Elections would be a better baraomenter on views of Brexit as the new parties will be involved (probably equally as split as referendum). My point remains the same, UKIP have pushed further right and appear to have lost support (which Farage is taking advantage of). I not sure how many seats they have contested (guessing not a huge number of seats) but still good news and hopefully (I believe) a fair reflection on society

What I would say though sick boy is at least people know what they are getting with Lib Dems. They have always been clear that they want to remain and want a second referendum. They deserve more support in the Europeans than Labour

 

[CCFCSteve]

They've not got hammered in either Coventry or Rugby.

Talking about nationally...obviously

 

[Sick Boy]

Not at all. This is a semi protest vote against the main two parties handling of Brexit.

I think the European Elections would be a better baraomenter on views of Brexit as the new parties will be involved (probably equally as split as referendum). My point remains the same, UKIP have pushed further right and appear to have lost support (which Farage is taking advantage of). I not sure how many seats they have contested (guessing not a huge number of seats) but still good news and hopefully (I believe) a fair reflection on society

I still think my point is valid if you still think yours is I do agree though that most people find the likes of Robinson abhorrent

 

[skybluetony176]

Turnout figures will show if more stayed at home out of protest seeing themselves as not represented at all. The EU elections will be more of a barometer because the angry brexiters will be motivated and have a party to vote for.

32% in Rugby which is apparently pretty much the same as the last local elections.

 

[skybluetony176]

Same!

I’ll be doing the same in the Euro elections also.

 

[Mcbean]

Trouble is 50% who want Brexit are angry and disappointed and 50% who want to remain are angry and disappointed so no winners and the grass roots activities will take a massive hit with this reaction vote of not a lot of people

 

[Ian1779]

Not at all. This is a semi protest vote against the main two parties handling of Brexit.

I think the European Elections would be a better baraomenter on views of Brexit as the new parties will be involved (probably equally as split as referendum). My point remains the same, UKIP have pushed further right and appear to have lost support (which Farage is taking advantage of). I not sure how many seats they have contested (guessing not a huge number of seats) but still good news and hopefully (I believe) a fair reflection on society

What I would say though sick boy is at least people know what they are getting with Lib Dems. They have always been clear that they want to remain and want a second referendum. They deserve more support in the Europeans than Labour

You know exactly what you are getting with the Lib Dems.... more austerity, more welfare reforms - but at least we are charging for carrier bags now! Lib Dems want a continuity of a failed system that brought the referendum in the first place.

The demographics are complex, Labour for example are down in the North but up in the South. The losses in the North have been to a variety of different parties, particularly local groups.

 

[Nick]

The thing with the green party is all that nonsense that went on in Coventry with them. Bollocks to voting for that freakshow.

 

[Grendel]

Using that same logic then, surely considering the Lib Dems’ gains you believe the country has seen the reality of Brexit and doesn’t like it?

The euro elections are going to be the barometer for that

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The euro elections are going to be the barometer for that

Still think that'll be a protest rather than a signpost - and that includes if Lib Dems, Greens and Change UK get more combined than Brexit Party (which is likely I'd say)

 

[Grendel]

Still think that'll be a protest rather than a signpost - and that includes if Lib Dems, Greens and Change UK get more combined than Brexit Party (which is likely I'd say)

No the true measure will be those three getting more than all the parties who want to deliver brexit. There is no excuse not to vote.

If that happens I will be demanding a second referendum

If not like the true democrat you are I know you acknowledge the will of the people must be honoured

 

[Nick]

Ken Taylor has moved his feet and lost his seat.

 

[Sick Boy]

The euro elections are going to be the barometer for that

I actually agree, you should take it up with the person who made the original point.

 

[tommydazzle]

Had the option of Con, Lab, UKIP or Greens. Went with Greens.

I usually run a polling station but usually end up hating the public by the end of the day. There's always a few tits who intentionally spoil a ballot paper and have to tell you about it. It's like they don't realise someone at the count who has been paid £70 for the night just sees it's been spoiled and bins it without a second thought...

On reflection I think I enjoy getting annoyed at people on polling day, will go back next time.

Spoiled papers are also counted and recorded.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Where i live there is a parish council run by a clique of lib dems, whilst the rest of the borough is mostly labour. End result is that all borough council ignores my town and the local parish council play this game of blaming every problem on the borough council. I can't stand the fuckers.

In my view (as a parish councillor) is that there is NO place for party politics at parish level, and debatable at District/City/Borough level. Councillors should vote with their conscience.

 

[martcov]

Spoiled papers are also counted and recorded.

My extreme right wing brother said none of the charlatan parties represent his vote, so he gave in a spoiled ballot paper. He forgets that the charlatan parties represent the current majority who would vote remain, or the majority who think that the referendum should never have happened ( according to a recent poll). A march of a million, a record breaking petition and now a massive boost for the LibDem at the local elections... and still people talk about the will of the people being Brexit. It obviously isn’t.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I don't understand why people think that voting LibDem (as probably the most obviously "Remain" party) in a district council election is going to stop Brexit. It won't, it can't, it is noting to do with local government!!
It is purely a "mid-term" protest vote.
Get party politics out of local government!!!

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Presenters on 5Live this morning saying that there are "many" spoiled ballot papers, indicating people's disengagement with politics. I've looked through a few of the stats that are available, and there is little indication in my mind that there is any greater number of spoiled ballots.
Incidentally, on the turnout issue, the LibDems won Cotswold DC from the Tories, with many wards having a turnout in the high fifties percent - almost unheard of in local elections!

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

And as for Vince Cable saying that "three party politics is back" - don't make me laugh! Stick around till the next meaningful vote, Vince - oh no, you're stepping down, aren't you?!

 

[CCFCSteve]

Presenters on 5Live this morning saying that there are "many" spoiled ballot papers, indicating people's disengagement with politics. I've looked through a few of the stats that are available, and there is little indication in my mind that there is any greater number of spoiled ballots.
Incidentally, on the turnout issue, the LibDems won Cotswold DC from the Tories, with many wards having a turnout in the high fifties percent - almost unheard of in local elections!

I disagree with 5live, spoiled ballot papers actually shows an engagement in politics (people bothering to go and spoil it is a protest vote), just a total dissatisfaction of the clowns in parliament ! Low turnout probably shows more of a lack of engagement so interesting/positive to see some wards have had a high turnout

 

[Grendel]

My extreme right wing brother said none of the charlatan parties represent his vote, so he gave in a spoiled ballot paper. He forgets that the charlatan parties represent the current majority who would vote remain, or the majority who think that the referendum should never have happened ( according to a recent poll). A march of a million, a record breaking petition and now a massive boost for the LibDem at the local elections... and still people talk about the will of the people being Brexit. It obviously isn’t.

Oh dear more Mart lies

 

[martcov]

Oh dear more Mart lies

Point out the lies then.

 

[martcov]

Oh dear more Mart lies

Here is a nice little read for you:


„They may have been local elections across much of England and Northern Ireland, but it was Brexit that dominated on the doorstep and early results demonstrate that frustration over Brexit had a huge impact on the results. The country needs a solution and that is a People's Vote.

Lib Dems are the big winners as main parties take a kicking
With hundreds of results still to come in, it looks like the local elections are a nightmare for Conservatives and Labour – with revenge for their handling of Brexit being blamed.

The Lib Dems look like being the big winners with Greens and independent also seeing a big rise in support, often in areas where they have a low base. Counting in Northern Ireland is yet to start.

The early evidence seemed to be that the Tories were punished for failing to deliver Brexit, while Labour’s fudge over a People’s Vote cost them. Even in largely shire elections, where more than 80% of the council areas voting backed Leave in 2016, pro-People's Vote parties are making advances.

And in Northern cities such as Sunderland, which famously voted Leave in 2016, the swing from Labour to Lib Dems and Greens is demonstrating that voters in favour of a People's Vote are deserting the Labour Party. Remain voters are taking it out on Labour, particularly in places such as Swindon and Sunderland where car manufacturers de-investing demonstrates the true costs of Brexit.

The Conservatives lost Bath and North East Somerset Council to the Lib Dems. Former Tory leader Tim Warren lost his seat and said: "I feel like we’ve been given a kicking for something that wasn’t our fault.

“I don’t think people are happy. The people that voted to remain blame us for leaving and the people that voted to leave blame us because we haven’t left yet. I think it’s almost anti-political.”“

 

[skybluetony176]

I see UKIP lost the majority of their councillors that stood.

 

[Sick Boy]

I see UKIP lost the majority of their councillors that stood.

That’s because the UK is 98% middle class lefties.

 

[Covstu]

I’ll be doing the same in the Euro elections also.

Won a lot of seats this time around and the constant ignoring of key environmental issues is becoming an issue despite an 'emergency' being called. They are providing a decent balance in manifestos and a little more believable than that of the big 2. A low key movement which is gaining a lot of momentum.