Wasps pull out... (39 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

If it doesn't go anywhere then there's no action against the council is there? It will only go somewhere if it is deemed it should.

I also hope that if ccc have acted illegally with tax payers money there should be action.

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[Pete in Portugal]

Or they are have fully comied with the no legal action agreement

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It's possible that they thought they'd complied, but that very much depends on the wording of the agreement. In any event I'd argue that not informing the insects of the complaint to the EC at the outset, was a breach of the spirit of the agreement. And whether that's right or not, it's was pretty much guaranteed that Eastwood would see it in those terms.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Would the EC look at it as - was that deal available to anyone else? Or just wasps - and if so would they deem that unlawful?

 

[David O'Day]

It's possible that they thought they'd complied, but that very much depends on the wording of the agreement. In any event I'd argue that not informing the insects of the complaint to the EC at the outset, was a breach of the spirit of the agreement. And whether that's right or not, it's was pretty much guaranteed that Eastwood would see it in those terms.

If it says no legal action then they have complied. Also I doubt a very rich hedge funds very expensive lawyers would not understand the wording of a legal agreement

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[David O'Day]

Would the EC look at it as - was that deal available to anyone else? Or just wasps - and if so would they deem that unlawful?

They have to assess if the same aid would be given to all companies in the same position.

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[Pete in Portugal]

Would the EC look at it as - was that deal available to anyone else? Or just wasps - and if so would they deem that unlawful?

I maybe wrong, but I think that would only be considered a breach of EU law, if it was also offered at significantly less than the market price.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Yes if the ec decide state aid was given to help a private company. It's a different legal argument than the court case

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No, it's the same legal argument entirely, SISU are basically using another route. They could have used this route in the first place but obviously didn't because the Judicial Review process meant more cost for the defendants in court.

 

[David O'Day]

I maybe wrong, but I think that would only be considered a breach of EU law, if it was also offered at significantly less than the market price.

They also have to not distort fair competition,

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[jim20]

They have to assess if the same aid would be given to all companies in the same position.

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I think if that’s the case CCC wouldn’t have made the same offer to SISU to buy the Ricoh so they maybe found to have acted illegally

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I think if that’s the case CCC wouldn’t have made the same offer to SISU to buy the Ricoh so they maybe found to have acted illegally

Couldn’t SISU argue that their offer was worth more to the taxpayer then?

 

[jordan210]

Shock horror journalists stick together.

"The idea that any media outlet has ruined the talks that we all thought were leading to a happy resolution is simply ludicrous."

Dint the telegraph reveal the identities of a party who was in talks to buy the club who wanted to remain anonymous ?

 

[Nick]

I think if that’s the case CCC wouldn’t have made the same offer to SISU to buy the Ricoh so they maybe found to have acted illegally

Where was the same offer made?

 

[David O'Day]

Couldn’t SISU argue that their offer was worth more to the taxpayer then?

If ccc did undervalue the ricoh it is a state sid breach but they can claim an exemption

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[jim20]

Couldn’t SISU argue that their offer was worth more to the taxpayer then?

Exactly, and the fact that Wasps are using dropping legal to threaten CCFC with is a sign of wrongdoing in my opinion. If they had nothing to hide they wouldn’t have insisted SISU drop legals

 

[Nick]

Shock horror journalists stick together.

"The idea that any media outlet has ruined the talks that we all thought were leading to a happy resolution is simply ludicrous."

Dint the telegraph reveal the identities of a party who was in talks to buy the club who wanted to remain anonymous ?

Yet the parody account of Les Reid setup by a Trust Board member is still on the go.

As I have said, people crossed the line saying pathetic shit. At least get some consistency though!

 

[Esoterica]

Don't worry I'll step in.

Bumsh*te.

 

[usskyblue]

Good for you, your badge is in the post.

I bet you get a lot of likes on Facebook m8

 

[jim20]

Where was the same offer made?

I didn’t say the same offer was made, but if SISU had have made the same or higher offer the council may have acted illegally by selling to Wasps

 

[Pete in Portugal]

If it says no legal action then they have complied. Also I doubt a very rich hedge funds very expensive lawyers would not understand the wording of a legal agreement

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My point was that, regardless of the legalities, Sisu took a huge risk by not complying with the spirit of the agreement. Essentially, they had already taken an action in February, which might possibly result in further legal action of some sort. They must've known that Eastwood would very likely walk away from the talks as soon as they realised that Gilbert had tweeted news of their complaint to the EU.

 

[Nick]

My point was that, regardless of the legalities, Sisu took a huge risk by not complying with the spirit of the agreement. Essentially, they had already taken an action in February, which might possibly result in further legal action of some sort. They must've known that Eastwood would very likely walk away from the talks as soon as they realised that Gilbert had tweeted news of their complaint to the EU.

Do you really think Eastwood didn't know until Gilbert said anything?

 

[Pete in Portugal]

I didn’t say the same offer was made, but if SISU had have made the same or higher offer the council may have acted illegally by selling to Wasps

According to CCC, Sisu made a slightly higher offer, but it was conditional. The insects offer was unconditional and was accepted.

 

[David O'Day]

My point was that, regardless of the legalities, Sisu took a huge risk by not complying with the spirit of the agreement. Essentially, they had already taken an action in February, which might possibly result in further legal action of some sort. They must've known that Eastwood would very likely walk away from the talks as soon as they realised that Gilbert had tweeted news of their complaint to the EU.

This was before the agreement

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[Nick]

According to CCC, Sisu made a slightly higher offer, but it was conditional. The insects offer was unconditional and was accepted.

That's the line that PWKH keeps spinning, it's turned out to be an excuse.

It was also only for the Higgs share.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

According to CCC, Sisu made a slightly higher offer, but it was conditional. The insects offer was unconditional and was accepted.

But then could they look at whether the conditions affected the tax payer? If not surely they should have accepted the higher offer

 

[Tommo1993]

I bet you get a lot of likes on Facebook m8

Haven’t had Facebook for a long time m8

 

[jim20]

According to CCC, Sisu made a slightly higher offer, but it was conditional. The insects offer was unconditional and was accepted.

I suppose it would depend on the value put on those conditions and the how much the higher offer was. The misuse of public money might be down to those differences, if an EU official believes a higher offer was on the table meaning less public money would’ve been needed it could find the council acted unlawfully

 

[Pete in Portugal]

Do you really think Eastwood didn't know until Gilbert said anything?

He was probably informed 'off the record' prior to Gilbert's revelation yes. Gilbert making it public allowed Eastwood to respond publicly by walking away from the talks.

 

[chiefdave]

Shock horror journalists stick together.

"The idea that any media outlet has ruined the talks that we all thought were leading to a happy resolution is simply ludicrous."

Dint the telegraph reveal the identities of a party who was in talks to buy the club who wanted to remain anonymous ?

He's on shaky ground there as he's thrown in questioning journalists with abuse. Nobody is going to condone abuse but surely questioning journalists is fair game. Especially when you're tweeting from a paper known to have had a cosy deal with the council in past to keep things out of the public eye.

 

[chiefdave]

According to CCC, Sisu made a slightly higher offer, but it was conditional. The insects offer was unconditional and was accepted.

That was for Higgs half so won't be covered by state aid.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Right, and who said I was cutting ties to the club altogether? Same as before, everyone will see me at away games but in no way, under no circumstance, will I entertain watching my club play their “home” games out of the City. Fine if you do, you’re probably really chuffed with yourself, but you have to accept there are others with a different outlook on things. Enjoy. See you away.

Yep, I still don’t get it. Travel all over the country giving money to other clubs but won’t travel to Birmingham (if that’s where we end up), to watch us. I’m not trying to be argumentative, and we’re all obviously entitled to do what we want, I just don’t get the rationale.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

That was for Higgs half so won't be covered by state aid.

Yeah but considering the council had a veto on that sale - could that be deemed as control? And therefore indirectly being involved

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Further to that, the lease extension and the sale of the councils half was never made available apart from secret talks with wasps

 

[usskyblue]

Haven’t had Facebook for a long time m8

Not exactly a friend magnet on here either m8

 

[JulianDarbyFTW]

He's on shaky ground there as he's thrown in questioning journalists with abuse. Nobody is going to condone abuse but surely questioning journalists is fair game. Especially when you're tweeting from a paper known to have had a cosy deal with the council in past to keep things out of the public eye.

Agreed. People want to understand the story, but when there's only half a story to read then questions should be asked. It feels like a rushed piece of news for the sake of getting an exclusive rather than a piece of solid journalism. Abuse is totally unacceptable, but reasonable questions are not.

 

[cc84cov]

If it doesn't go anywhere then there's no action against the council is there? It will only go somewhere if it is deemed it should.

Surely by then tho we’ve missed the deadline and we’re playing away from the city ?