One law for us and......... (5 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

I'm very sorry that you have panic attacks, but your opinion on this issue is very regressive.

Are you suggesting you'd like your illness classified as 'normal'. And thus not get the help you need and deserve to cope with it? Personally I believe that mental illness is actually the norm and far more people suffer from some form of mental illness than don't.

But transgenderism is another kettle of fish entirely. I agree that these people should receive mental health support ahead of sex-change ops etc. It's not like after gender reassignment they're physically a women, just they more closely resemble one. Like I also believe those people wanting breast enlargement should get metnal health support rather than a surgeon - the problem isn't their tits, it's in their heads.

We are talking about an illness here being taught to children as normal, an illness where people are having their genitals removed, having hormone replacement, and in many cases changing their minds as they get older.

This is not a regressive view in my opinion, I do not want my child being taught that this is normal... Its simply not

 

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[skybluetony176]

I do not want my child's mind tainted by the absolute madness that's deemed acceptable by the minority.

My children will learn about things as and when they are ready throughout growing up.

I send my children to school to learn academia, not the government's latest social justice push

Tainted. What nonsense. If your child is transgender they were born that way.

 

[skybluetony176]

Hey, I'm not the one here advocating poisoning children's minds, I'm advocating against it.
I think it's you who needs your own warped views addressing

How is teaching tolerance poisoning minds?

 

[Evo1883]

You’re talking bollocks. I have a gay cousin, I was the first person in my family he came out to when we were both children, he lived a lie into his 20’s because of people within my family (namely his dad) that have the same mentality as you. He wasn’t educated into being gay he was born that way, it wasn’t being gay that tormented him into attempting suicide. It was pressure of denial and hiding it from Neanderthals like you that drew him to that. It was only a second near death experience (serious car crash) that drove him to stop living the lie and find the bravery to come out to the family. Some of my aunts and uncles seriously believe that he suffered permanent brain damage from the head trauma and that turned him gay.

You need to grow up and accept that some people are just born different to you.

Mate, I don't know how many more times I have to tell you.

Children should not be being taught about transgenderism in primary school, I don't give a flying fuck what life experience you've had, I'm telling you that kids do not need to be taught about it in PRIMARY SCHOOL you dense twat
Their minds are too Fragile and easily Infuenced
If that makes me a neanderthal soft lad, then so be it

 

[Evo1883]

How is teaching tolerance poisoning minds?

I think we are confused here, I'm arguing against teaching kids about this in primary school, in secondary school you know when they start puberty and their hormones are changing then so be it, fair enough.

 

[skybluetony176]

Mate, I don't know how many more times I have to tell you.

Children should not be being taught about transgenderism in primary school, I don't give a flying fuck what life experience you've had, I'm telling you that kids do not need to be taught about it in PRIMARY SCHOOL you dense twat
Their minds are too Fragile and easily Infuenced

Now you’ve called me a dense twat you’ve clearly won the argument.

So who exactly taught children not to be gay or transgender?

 

[skybluetony176]

I think we are confused here, I'm arguing against teaching kids about this in primary school, in secondary school you know when they start puberty and their hormones are changing then so be it, fair enough.

So at what age did you realise that you wasn’t transgender?

 

[Evo1883]

Now you’ve called me a dense twat you’ve clearly won the argument.

So who exactly taught children not to be gay or transgender?

Hold on you called me a neanderthal, I called you a dense twat.
Madness eh

 

[skybluetony176]

Hold on you called me a neanderthal, I called you a dense twat.
Madness eh

I did. I was being kind.

 

[Evo1883]

So at what age did you realise that you wasn’t transgender?

Then explain why people are having surgery to transition and then realise that it wasn't what they wanted, if they were all "born that way"

 

[Evo1883]

I did. I was being kind.

So was I

 

[skybluetony176]

Then explain why people are having surgery to transition and them realise that it wasn't what they wanted, if they were all "born that way"

I note you didn’t answer the question.

 

[Evo1883]

I note you didn’t answer the question.

Read this Tony

Il say it AGAIN AND AGAIN, I do not want my child being taught about this in primary school, full stop

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

We are talking about an illness here being taught to children as normal, an illness where people are having their genitals removed, having hormone replacement, and in many cases changing their minds as they get older.

This is not a regressive view in my opinion, I do not want my child being taught that this is normal... Its simply not

But things like panic attacks, depression, anxiety etc are all normal insomuch as that they're common responses to certain situations/circumstances. They're also mental illnesses.

I agree to some extent about undergoing the physical changes because it's not truly changing their gender and help dealing with the condition psychologically should be the main focus of treatment. But it's still 'normal' in terms of a condition.

In that case IVF should be consider simply not normal. Wanting children but having a body unable to produce them should be treated as a mentally condition that they need help coping with rather than artificially creating it and then placing inside the body. But we choose the later because it's easier (and potentially cheaper) than providing lifelong mental health support.

 

[skybluetony176]

Read this Tony

Il say it AGAIN AND AGAIN, I do not want my child being taught about this in primary school, full stop

Ah reddit. The corner stone of all scientific research.

 

[Evo1883]

Ah reddit. The corner stone of all scientific research.

So it turns out that my argument that teaching kids about this in primary school is wrong, that their minds are too Fragile to process it at such a young age is wrong.
Yet supplied with actual evidence that in fact even at 19 it's confusing for people, you seem to think at age 9, their minds are capable of processing this for the good of inclusitivity.
As a father of 2 girls at school aged 6 and 9 I say go fuck yourself and stick your views straight up your arse
Clueless

 

[Evo1883]

But things like panic attacks, depression, anxiety etc are all normal insomuch as that they're common responses to certain situations/circumstances. They're also mental illnesses.

I agree to some extent about undergoing the physical changes because it's not truly changing their gender and help dealing with the condition psychologically should be the main focus of treatment. But it's still 'normal' in terms of a condition.

In that case IVF should be consider simply not normal. Wanting children but having a body unable to produce them should be treated as a mentally condition that they need help coping with rather than artificially creating it and then placing inside the body. But we choose the later because it's easier (and potentially cheaper) than providing lifelong mental health support.

Anxiety attacks are not a normal response to situations, just so you know I've had it 15 years and read so much into it.

That's an incorrect statement to make

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Anxiety attacks are not a normal response to situations, just so you know I've had it 15 years and read so much into it.

That's an incorrect statement to make

I mean that they're normal in terms of it being relatively common as an extreme reaction. If it wasn't 'common' it couldn't be diagnosed as there wouldn't be enough cases to categorise it as such. Depression and anxiety are very common within my family and I've been very lucky in not having them to the extremes others have.

 

[Evo1883]

I mean that they're normal in terms of it being relatively common as an extreme reaction. If it wasn't 'common' it couldn't be diagnosed as there wouldn't be enough cases to categorise it as such. Depression and anxiety are very common within my family and I've been very lucky in not having them to the extremes others have.

I actually respect your opinion, but I just do not agree that kids in primary school should be taught about this, as their minds are too young to process it, that along with deciding which barbie they need to dress up when they get home or if daddy will buy them some roblox points on their ipads so they can build a house, I genuinely think this issue is far far too serious and complex to be taught at such a young age.

That's it, nothing more to say really

Tony got my back up by resorting to the usual stupid (neanderthal, dark ages) comments, which is why he was replied to in the manner he was.
My views are very very common amongst parents of children at this age, maybe Tony lives in a bubble and needs to realise not everybody will just tow the line

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Fair enough.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I'm not really sure why so many are over-trying on giving Islam the pass again.

It's clear a lot of the protesting towards teaching LGBT in schools is coming from the Islamic community, yet this is either overlooked, or some try and suggest that the protests are taking place in Birmingham, Alabama rather than the one in the West Midlands.

Yes, Christianity is pretty against homosexuality, but it is not remotely comparable to the Sharia Law view.

Given that this is happening in the UK, it's pretty worrying we are seeing this reaction, but I'm not sure what people were expecting. Islam is not compatible with rights for LGBT people or women. I guess it's just easier to try and give the blame to someone else though. We wouldn't want to be seen as racist, would we?