St Andrews confirmed! (10 Viewers)

[mark_ccfc]

In this instance, what could SISU have done?

Sold up to someone who gives a shit about the club and then fucked off to somewhere very far away.

 

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[The Reverend Skyblue]

Honestly don’t give a shit about the council, Wasps and Sisu. Been like this for a lifetime it seems. Robins is building an exiting football team and I will be supporting them.

I will buy a season ticket without a doubt as soon as the fuckers go on sale. I have to work some weekends now but I'm supporting the bloody team as much as I can by buying a ST.
Fucking hate Wasps, and who the hell voted that council back in recently, when they try as much as they can to destroy the football club that has carried the city's name since the 1880's.
European capital of culture/sport my big fat hairy arse

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Sold up to someone who gives a shit about the club and then fucked off to somewhere very far away.

And then what - agree a rental deal with wasps where they control our destiny still?

Nah fuck Wasps.

 

[Nick]

Sold up to someone who gives a shit about the club and then fucked off to somewhere very far away.

Like who?

 

[clint van damme]

Funnily enough he is pushing the same as Gilbert, SISU refused to halt legals.



So again, what's this?



Wasps always said they would never start talks until legals were halted, so why did they get so close to a deal if legals weren't halted?

I have a lot of respect for Conn but he's only got half the story here and is coming across as a bit of a tit.

 

[Ashdown]

why? Is it better to carry on with this shit year after year with one year extensions... or now maybe the club will be forced to actually follow through with the new stadium

Oh please God, you really think those skunks have ever had any intention of building anything.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

So there we have it

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

No hope, council wont let us build another ground even if sisu really did want to, wasps clearly dont want us at the ricoh

I can't see a way forward i really can't, this is really fucking worrying

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Villa and Blues have been known to play at home on the same day on occasion (when we played Blues in the cup a few years back, Villa were home to Blackburn), so I doubt it will be an issue. At Northampton, the majority of our fixtures were on a Saturday, so I am sure that will be the case next season, but there will be the odd Friday/Sunday fixture I guess.

If I remember rightly, when we shared with Northampton because both clubs were EFL members, when the league fixtures were being sorted games could be arranged so one team was at home one week, the other the week after to prevent clashes. When sharing with the rugby club that wasn't possible and was down to the two clubs to discuss priority.

Very disappointed at the news, but not overly surprised. The longer it went on the more likely St Andrews was the more likely option.

It's not been confirmed the exact reason the talks failed, but if it is over indemnification for Wasps being found to have underpaid or whatever it seems a very silly and petty step and unenforceable in my view. Indemnification is protection in a contract if the other party does wrong, not yourself.

If SISU's complaint was found to be unjustified usually you'd get costs paid, but it's not always the case and even if they did they'd expect SISU to stall in order to put off payment and try to cause further cashflow problems. Maybe they thought they could ensure they got any money off SISU via CCFC (a move I totally disagree with but it's hedge fund isn't it? Don't care were the money comes from, as long as they get it).

So I think it far more likely the indemnification issue was if the EU found nothing, rather than if they did, in order to ensure payment of costs by SISU via CCFC. I don't think that's fair (though were the sides reverse I'd fully expect SISU to try the same) and I agree completely with CCFC's decision to not agree to it and move.

 

[clint van damme]

If there isn't at least one well attended protest involving civil disobedience by city supporters at a wasps game next season then we don't deserve a club.

 

[Nick]

I have a lot of respect for Conn but he's only got half the story here and is coming across as a bit of a tit.

It's always been the same, he gets one side of the story and pushes it and makes himself look silly. Same as the Cov Tel editor did.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

If I remember rightly, when we shared with Northampton because both clubs were EFL members, when the league fixtures were being sorted games could be arranged so one team was at home one week, the other the week after to prevent clashes. When sharing with the rugby club that wasn't possible and was down to the two clubs to discuss priority.

Very disappointed at the news, but not overly surprised. The longer it went on the more likely St Andrews was the more likely option.

It's not been confirmed the exact reason the talks failed, but if it is over indemnification for Wasps being found to have underpaid or whatever it seems a very silly and petty step and unenforceable in my view. Indemnification is protection in a contract if the other party does wrong, not yourself.

If SISU's complaint was found to be unjustified usually you'd get costs paid, but it's not always the case and even if they did they'd expect SISU to stall in order to put off payment and try to cause further cashflow problems. Maybe they thought they could ensure they got any money off SISU via CCFC (a move I totally disagree with but it's hedge fund isn't it? Don't care were the money comes from, as long as they get it).

So I think it far more likely the indemnification issue was if the EU found nothing, rather than if they did, in order to ensure payment of costs by SISU via CCFC. I don't think that's fair (though were the sides reverse I'd fully expect SISU to try the same) and I agree completely with CCFC's decision to not agree to it and move.

Reasons have been confirmed from SISU's side at least. See above

 

[Speedies_Chips]

Great. We will be outnumbered by Sunderland fans in our 'home' game against them.

 

[Magwitch]

Still two months to go yet.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

It's always been the same, he gets one side of the story and pushes it and makes himself look silly. Same as the Cov Tel editor did.

And Lego Giblet!

 

[clint van damme]

No hope, council wont let us build another ground even if sisu really did want to, wasps clearly dont want us at the ricoh

I can't see a way forward i really can't, this is really fucking worrying

This has to be all about her to g sisu to sell up.
I don't really have a problem with that but I think the people behind it would be happy for sisu to liquidate so those waiting in the wings can start a Phoenix club which is a major concern and fucking demented f4om people who are supposed to care about the club

 

[Ashdown]

No hope, council wont let us build another ground even if sisu really did want to, wasps clearly dont want us at the ricoh

I can't see a way forward i really can't, this is really fucking worrying

The way forward is a downward spiral in revenues until all support has dwindled away. With that will come inevitable struggles on the pitch as players choose to go elsewhere for more money. More youth team players will be thrown in too soon and they will be bullied at that level. Poor performances, poor results, staff departures and eventual collapse, all we are doing at Brum is keeping the life support on, whilst the husk of the club gradually diminishes.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

If there isn't at least one well attended protest involving civil disobedience by city supporters at a wasps game next season then we don't deserve a club.

Remember the group that 'represents' us give employees that work for wasps a round of applause

 

[lifeskyblue]

The following statement has been issued by Coventry City's Owners SISU this afternoon:

As previously reported, Wasps insisted SISU sign a legal undertaking before they would participate in discussions with CCFC. SISU signed this undertaking in April to irrevocably cease all proceedings against Wasps relating to the sale and lease of the Ricoh Arena. Wasps then entered into commercial discussions with CCFC to allow the Club to continue to play for a limited time; however, not the five years we wanted.

Following agreement on commercials, Wasps demanded a further agreement to be signed both by the Football Club and SISU. This agreement introduced conditions that would unreasonably restrict the Club and SISU’s basic legal rights and would commit the Club and SISU to underwrite Wasps’ costs and any future damages. This would put the Football Club at great risk and jeopardise its future and in so doing, undermine the hard-work and success the Club has achieved over the past few seasons.

Importantly, we were willing to provide an indemnity to confirm we have acted in good faith to the extent Wasps were willing to provide the same; they would not agree to such a clause. Additionally, as negotiations continued, Wasps repeatedly moved further away from their previous stances, indicating they had no desire to agree a deal.

This is regrettable but under the circumstances an unavoidable position for CCFC; however, SISU remains committed to the long-term success of the Club. Playing in Birmingham is not a decision we would choose or want to make; sadly the decision was made for us.

We sympathise with and sincerely apologise to all Coventry City supporters for this and the heartache caused. We have had numerous discussions with Mark Robins to ensure the short-term ground share will provide him with a suitable location to build on last season’s success.

Unfortunately, the Council’s decision to sell the stadium to Wasps and prevent CCFC from participating in the sale process has empowered Wasps to take this position against CCFC.

Until Coventry City owns its own stadium, it will be at the mercy of a conflicted landlord, imposing onerous demands and conditions as a requirement for any deal.

SISU remains committed to providing CCFC with its own stadium in the Coventry area. We are grateful to the EFL for their support and patience in this matter and will continue to work closely with them throughout the planning and development process. We will provide CCFC with all the assistance required to enable the Club to return to the Coventry area, in a stadium it and its fans can again finally call home.

This time a new stadium has to be more than words. As fans we need to see within 6mths what the medium and long term future plans sisu has for the club. We can survive a season at St. Andrews and we may be able to survive a couple but more than that would be too great. We will, in all probability, be treading water until sisu lay out detailed plans for the future: a team (manager and players) that can hold things together in the next 24mths, a stadium (prob just outside of the city boundary) and greater engagement with the fans.


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[rob9872]

DrunkenWasps.com - CCFC to play at St Andrews next season
Their absolute c**t fans don't even care. The quicker they are bankrupt the better. If I wasn't so upset and angry about things I'd join up and argue wit hthem all.

 

[chiefdave]

The following statement has been issued by Coventry City's Owners SISU this afternoon:

As previously reported, Wasps insisted SISU sign a legal undertaking before they would participate in discussions with CCFC. SISU signed this undertaking in April to irrevocably cease all proceedings against Wasps relating to the sale and lease of the Ricoh Arena. Wasps then entered into commercial discussions with CCFC to allow the Club to continue to play for a limited time; however, not the five years we wanted.

Following agreement on commercials, Wasps demanded a further agreement to be signed both by the Football Club and SISU. This agreement introduced conditions that would unreasonably restrict the Club and SISU’s basic legal rights and would commit the Club and SISU to underwrite Wasps’ costs and any future damages. This would put the Football Club at great risk and jeopardise its future and in so doing, undermine the hard-work and success the Club has achieved over the past few seasons.

Importantly, we were willing to provide an indemnity to confirm we have acted in good faith to the extent Wasps were willing to provide the same; they would not agree to such a clause. Additionally, as negotiations continued, Wasps repeatedly moved further away from their previous stances, indicating they had no desire to agree a deal.

This is regrettable but under the circumstances an unavoidable position for CCFC; however, SISU remains committed to the long-term success of the Club. Playing in Birmingham is not a decision we would choose or want to make; sadly the decision was made for us.

We sympathise with and sincerely apologise to all Coventry City supporters for this and the heartache caused. We have had numerous discussions with Mark Robins to ensure the short-term ground share will provide him with a suitable location to build on last season’s success.

Unfortunately, the Council’s decision to sell the stadium to Wasps and prevent CCFC from participating in the sale process has empowered Wasps to take this position against CCFC.

Until Coventry City owns its own stadium, it will be at the mercy of a conflicted landlord, imposing onerous demands and conditions as a requirement for any deal.

SISU remains committed to providing CCFC with its own stadium in the Coventry area. We are grateful to the EFL for their support and patience in this matter and will continue to work closely with them throughout the planning and development process. We will provide CCFC with all the assistance required to enable the Club to return to the Coventry area, in a stadium it and its fans can again finally call home.

Blimey, if that statement is even remotely true then Wasps have a lot of explaining to do. We can only hope that the local media, trust etc finally get a grip on things an do what is expected of them.

Shame SISU haven't handled the PR like this from day 1. Might have stopped CCC and their cronies thinking they could do whatever they like with no comeback.

 

[Nick]

This has to be all about her to g sisu to sell up.
I don't really have a problem with that but I think the people behind it would be happy for sisu to liquidate so those waiting in the wings can start a Phoenix club which is a major concern and fucking demented f4om people who are supposed to care about the club

It's been obvious for months, they were relying on the accounts not being able to be filed and the EFL refusing a groundshare which means it would force it to Hoffman who could save the day. I pointed out at the time my worry was what happened if it backfired, the answer is this.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Sold up to someone who gives a shit about the club and then fucked off to somewhere very far away.

You mean like Hoffman, who would have sold us down the river and agreed a long term tenancy agreement with Wasps - when will people get it out their heads that playing second fiddle to a London Franchise is not the way forward.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Funnily enough he is pushing the same as Gilbert, SISU refused to halt legals.



So again, what's this?



Wasps always said they would never start talks until legals were halted, so why did they get so close to a deal if legals weren't halted?

But SISU had already lodged the EU complaint at this time, so depending on your view were either lying when they signed to say they'd halt all legal proceedings or considered it semantics and that the EU complaint wasn't a 'legal proceeding' against Wasps.

Either way, it should have been pretty easy for Wasps to check if any proceedings/investigations were in place or been more careful in their description.

 

[Nick]

Blimey, if that statement is even remotely true then Wasps have a lot of explaining to do. We can only hope that the local media, trust etc finally get a grip on things an do what is expected of them.

Shame SISU haven't handled the PR like this from day 1. Might have stopped CCC and their cronies thinking they could do whatever they like with no comeback.

What's funny is that both Gilbert and Conn were straight away trying to say "SISU wouldn't drop the legals" and they already re-iterated it in the first line of their statement. Gilbert and Wasps have completely contradicted each other so one of them was bullshitting about them pulling out of talks.

 

[Magwitch]

Great. We will be outnumbered by Sunderland fans in our 'home' game against them.

And a few others

 

[Badger]

I think you’re missing my point!

They will give a shit if the population of Coventry where their stadium is based makes it unviable for them to remain here!

The only thing Wasps will care about is if there are protests there and they get bad publicity. Boycotting the football club is basically saying that you agree with the stance that Wasps have taken.

 

[djr8369]

That’s the real worry, I think. Is it at all feasible that we could build another stadium?



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So as SISU has now said again that another stadium is their intention do we believe them and if we do is it possible?


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[Nick]

But SISU had already lodged the EU complaint at this time, so depending on your view were either lying when they signed to say they'd halt all legal proceedings or considered it semantics and that the EU complaint wasn't a 'legal proceeding' against Wasps.

Either way, it should have been pretty easy for Wasps to check if any proceedings/investigations were in place or been more careful in their description.

They must have been happy with it to start talks.

 

[Pete in Portugal]

FUCK!

 

[theferret]

No hope, council wont let us build another ground even if sisu really did want to, wasps clearly dont want us at the ricoh

I can't see a way forward i really can't, this is really fucking worrying

They can't stop us, but can of course make it very difficult.

I note in the statement, it spoke of returning to the 'Coventry area'. Not sure if anything can be read into that, but perhaps they'll look to build outside of the border. I say 'build', you can take a view on that, but I do expect them to go through the motions, identify a site and move to planning - because the EFL will demand it.

 

[Nick]

They can't stop us, but can of course make it very difficult.

I note in the statement, it spoke of returning to the 'Coventry area'. Not sure if anything can be read into that, but perhaps they'll look to build outside of the border. I say 'build', you can take a view on that, but I do expect them to go through the motions, identify a site and move to planning - because the EFL will demand it.

Of course they can.

Duggins was in overdrive last time when he kept slipping up about it all.

 

[rob9872]

Still nothing from the trust.

Meanwhile Hoffman who is connected to Trinity Mirror group who own the Guardian the Coventry Telegraph (I'm reaching but is this right? - please confirm) who employ Gilbert and Conn among others, all pedal the anti SISU agenda spouted by the trust and David Johnson etc .Not that there is much of a conspiracy or anything ….

 

[oldfiver]

If I remember rightly, when we shared with Northampton because both clubs were EFL members, when the league fixtures were being sorted games could be arranged so one team was at home one week, the other the week after to prevent clashes. When sharing with the rugby club that wasn't possible and was down to the two clubs to discuss priority.

Very disappointed at the news, but not overly surprised. The longer it went on the more likely St Andrews was the more likely option.

It's not been confirmed the exact reason the talks failed, but if it is over indemnification for Wasps being found to have underpaid or whatever it seems a very silly and petty step and unenforceable in my view. Indemnification is protection in a contract if the other party does wrong, not yourself.

If SISU's complaint was found to be unjustified usually you'd get costs paid, but it's not always the case and even if they did they'd expect SISU to stall in order to put off payment and try to cause further cashflow problems. Maybe they thought they could ensure they got any money off SISU via CCFC (a move I totally disagree with but it's hedge fund isn't it? Don't care were the money comes from, as long as they get it).

So I think it far more likely the indemnification issue was if the EU found nothing, rather than if they did, in order to ensure payment of costs by SISU via CCFC. I don't think that's fair (though were the sides reverse I'd fully expect SISU to try the same) and I agree completely with CCFC's decision to not agree to it and move.

But the complaint was not against WASPs - it is CCC.
So I wonder which other parties expect to get indemnified ?? CCC???
So the EU find against CCC > CCC demands from WASPs the damages >WASPs then expect SISU/CCFC to cover the lot
Yeah right !

 

[chiefdave]

They must have been happy with it to start talks.

Exactly. There's so many contradictions in what comes out from Wasps. If it was Fisher the media would be all over it but with Wasps they just let it slide.