St Andrews confirmed! (8 Viewers)

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I wouldn’t expect anything from the trust - they’ll just peddle out that they’re dismayed the club have left the city, and then peddle into “sisu sell up”

They’ll conveniently ignore the extra caveats Wasps put in

 

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[djr8369]

They can't stop us, but can of course make it very difficult.

I note in the statement, it spoke of returning to the 'Coventry area'. Not sure if anything can be read into that, but perhaps they'll look to build outside of the border. I say 'build', you can take a view on that, but I do expect them to go through the motions, identify a site and move to planning - because the EFL will demand it.

As I’ve said before, Warwick and Stratford district council borders come close to the edge of the city. Is there any reason they couldn’t build there?


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[Nick]

Coventry City Council has now issued its statement.

It says it understands the “endless litigation” by the football club’s owners Sisu had “remained the barrier for a deal to be agreed”.

Cllr George Duggins, Leader of Coventry City Council and Cllr Gary Ridley, Leader of the Opposition Conservative Group, Coventry City Council, urge Sisu to address the issues and return to the city “at the earliest possible date”.

It says: “We share the bitter disappointment of Coventry City fans with today’s announcement by the football club.

“The Council like everyone was hopeful that April’s Supreme Court judgment could lead to a license extension.

“While Coventry City Council has not been party to the negotiations, we understand the endless litigation in its various forms by the football club’s owners remained the barrier for a deal to be agreed.

“It is extremely disappointing that after six years of legal action – that has been tested numerous times in the courts and has been comprehensively dismissed every time – cannot now be dropped to secure the club’s future.

“We urge the football club’s owners to address this situation promptly to ensure the return of the football club to the city at the earliest possible date.”

Am I missing something here? They are contradicting Wasps.

It also explains why Gilbert completely ignored the bit about SISU signing something in April so that people don't realise when that's pushed as a reason now.

 

[JulianDarbyFTW]

There really does need to be a stadium built this time. No ifs, no buts. Just give us our own home and end this whole debacle once and for all.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Am I missing something here? They are contradicting Wasps.

It also explains why Gilbert completely ignored the bit about SISU signing something in April so that people don't realise when that's pushed as a reason now.

Our council is a fucking joke

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They must have been happy with it to start talks.

Or I suspect they'd not done their homework and checked the EU complaint situation. It was only after Gilbert talked about it that Wasps seemed to be aware of it.

That does bring in a potential timeline of:
No talks between CCFC/Wasps.
SISU lodge EU complaint
SISU lose JR2
SISU sign saying all legal proceedings halted
CCFC and Wasps enter, and largely conclude, an agreement
Wasps made aware of EU complaint
Wasps ask for indemnity clause
CCFC refuse
CCFC move to St Andrews.

This is purely a guess, but it would allow for all the different parties to take the positions they have and make themselves out to be the wronged party.

 

[theferret]

Of course they can.

Duggins was in overdrive last time when he kept slipping up about it all.

Well yes, I meant from a legal standpoint. In reality though, they can make it practically impossible.

One thing that will happen now is that a site will be identified and the planning process will begin. Not that I have any confidence in it being delivered, but the EFL will want to see progress and a firm plan to return, so this process will have to happen. Will be interesting to see where it is and what the response from CCC will be. I expect the PR machine to overheat.

 

[Nick]

Or I suspect they'd not done their homework and checked the EU complaint situation. It was only after Gilbert talked about it that Wasps seemed to be aware of it.

That does bring in a potential timeline of:
No talks between CCFC/Wasps.
SISU lodge EU complaint
SISU lose JR2
SISU sign saying all legal proceedings halted
CCFC and Wasps enter, and largely conclude, an agreement
Wasps made aware of EU complaint
Wasps ask for indemnity clause
CCFC refuse
CCFC move to St Andrews.

This is purely a guess, but it would allow for all the different parties to take the positions they have and make themselves out to be the wronged party.

Do you really think they only found out when Gilbert mentioned it?

 

[Nick]

Well yes, I meant from a legal standpoint. In reality though, they can make it practically impossible.

One thing that will happen now is that a site will be identified and the planning process will begin. Not that I have any confidence in is being delivered, but the EFL will want to see progress and a firm plan to return, so this process will have to happen. Will be interesting to see where it is and what the response from CCC will be. I expect the PR machine to overheat.

Sorry, I was agreeing with you. They will make it an absolute nightmare.

It's like before when Duggins said SISU hadn't done anything then admitted they had met them and then it came out about Woodlands.

 

[Covkid1968#]

Of course I don’t. I’ve supported this club for over 25 years, spent endless money following the team up and down the country but enough is enough.

As I said this is bigger than showing support to the team, something drastic needs to happen to show were not just rolling over and letting SISU, wasps whoever is responsible for this big mess win!

Total boycott sends a message to out to everybody that this is not acceptable and things need to be put in place to return the club to the city

FFS mate.... that will kill us. This is the time to turn out in numbers week in week out at SA. We’ve done the feck SISU action and it does nothing. Wasps and the Council should now be held to account. Support the team get to SA let’s show the Council the level of support they will be pissing off at the ballot box.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

But the complaint was not against WASPs - it is CCC.
So I wonder which other parties expect to get indemnified ?? CCC???
So the EU find against CCC > CCC demands from WASPs the damages >WASPs then expect SISU/CCFC to cover the lot
Yeah right !

Reading SISu's statement it appears that Wasps were asking for indemnity if the EU complaint was unfounded.

If it were that the complaint was that CCFC cover Wasps for the extra money they'd have to pay to CCC for the Ricoh, that would be completely nonsensical.

 

[chiefdave]

Am I missing something here? They are contradicting Wasps.

It also explains why Gilbert completely ignored the bit about SISU signing something in April so that people don't realise when that's pushed as a reason now.

Another one for the local media, which they will no doubt ignore. Would expect them to be questioning the council on what legal action is ongoing from CCFC or SISU. Can't be referring to the EC investigation as that is nothing to do with the club or its owners.

 

[clint van damme]

So as SISU has now said again that another stadium is their intention do we believe them and if we do is

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A - I don't believe them and
B - they would need to work with council even if they did intend to which I can't see happening.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I think Woodlands Stadium is now out of the question - land owned by CCC within their planning realm.
Warwickshire Gateway (aka Whitley South) is in Warwick District, but i believe the land is owned by Coventry City Council, who might not want to sell it to SISU (certainly not at a bargain basement price, for fear of legal action for State Aid!!).
Brandon still hasn't been settled, has it? Rugby District, privately owned
Land behind Warwick Uni's new Sports Hub - Warwick District, Uni always likes partnerships and owns that land. Posh local residents would probably object, transport links atrocious until they finish HS2 - maybe they'd put an HS2 station there - but it'd probably be served by a one carriage bus conversion!

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Let’s take our money to Birmingham city centre instead of the Holbrook area... boost that economy.

Let’s face it - the council preferred that when they voted us into the West Midlands Combined Authority

 

[Nick]

 

[ccfcricoh]

Am I missing something here? They are contradicting Wasps.

It also explains why Gilbert completely ignored the bit about SISU signing something in April so that people don't realise when that's pushed as a reason now.

Wheres the contradiction with wasps? Genuine question, have i missed a statement by wasps in my fury!

 

[oldfiver]

Reading SISu's statement it appears that Wasps were asking for indemnity if the EU complaint was unfounded.

If it were that the complaint was that CCFC cover Wasps for the extra money they'd have to pay to CCC for the Ricoh, that would be completely nonsensical.

Precisely !

 

[Nick]

Another one for the local media, which they will no doubt ignore. Would expect them to be questioning the council on what legal action is ongoing from CCFC or SISU. Can't be referring to the EC investigation as that is nothing to do with the club or its owners.

Exactly but if you think back, Gilbert did his best to point out it was.

 

[theferret]

As I’ve said before, Warwick and Stratford district council borders come close to the edge of the city. Is there any reason they couldn’t build there?


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If it was built next to the city border, CCC would have to be consulted and would have input because of road infrastructure etc. However, crucially, they would not be the planning authority. If it was Warwick DC, then there is no reason for them not to engage with CCFC , so it might at least get to a full planning app stage. Inside the city I cannot see it getting that far tbh.

 

[clint van damme]

Am I missing something here? They are contradicting Wasps.

It also explains why Gilbert completely ignored the bit about SISU signing something in April so that people don't realise when that's pushed as a reason now.

What amazes me is while the Tories and Labour fight like cat and dog all over the country, ( and in fight as well).
The local councillors get along just fine, pursue the same agendas and are totally interchangeable.

 

[Mcbean]

A few positives
- we have a better away record than at the Ricoh ?
- we won't be playing on a surface where 30 egg chasers have been digging in

Overall i am very disappointed as its much more complex for us to get there and longer but we will be giving it a go - getting our group to sit together may be challenging

There's some shit to be hoyed yet !

 

[theferret]

What amazes me is while the Tories and Labour fight like cat and dog all over the country, ( and in fight as well).
The local councillors get along just fine, pursue the same agendas and are totally interchangeable.

Isn't the Conservative leader a regular at Wasps games? Figures I guess. From what I can tell there is literally nobody in the council chamber fighting on behalf of the football club.

 

[fellatio_Martinez]

We knew deep down from the day that the Wasps bought the Ricoh that this was going to happen.

Bickering on either side doesn't detract from the sad fact that we don't own a ground in Coventry.

Time to build one or just end it here and now because this is just cuntish for everyone involved.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Actually, thinking about it some more, it would be likely that an application of that size would be "called in" by the Planning Inspectorate, taking it largely out of the council's hands. That is what they did with Whitley South. The transport links from outside the city are perfect (dual carriageways in every direction), but there would need to be a cheap shuttle bus or other infrastructure from the city centre. And no canal boats!!!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Do you really think they only found out when Gilbert mentioned it?

A large part of me says surely not - I'd be livid is my legal team hadn't discovered this. But it's not completely unfeasible although it does mean Wasps's legal representatives had done a shoddy job and at the moment it does fit both sides narrative without either of them being able to be accused of lying.

 

[oldfiver]

Isn't the Conservative leader a regular at Wasps games? Figures I guess. From what I can tell there is literally nobody in the council chamber fighting on behalf of the football club.

They cannot really because they all voted for the WASPs sale - probably all worried about being impeached or what the correct term is

 

[oldfiver]

A large part of me says surely not - I'd be livid is my legal team hadn't discovered this. But it's not completely unfeasible although it does mean Wasps's legal representatives had done a shoddy job and at the moment it does fit both sides narrative without either of them being able to be accused of lying.

It also means the Council legal team kept it to themselves ?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What I don't get is "somebody tell my 4 year old they wont see the team they love play any more". Why won't they? If they love them that much then take them to games still.

It’s not in Coventry nick

 

[WillenhallSkyBlues]

I’ll be at St. Andrews next season with my flag! I for one hope Ricoh pull the sponsorship of the ground and they suffer big time with us not being there.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Its Birmingham not Barcelona we're ground sharing with. For a lot of people the time difference will be negligible.

If, as you suggest, people don't go as they prioritise other commitments fair enough but thats their decision. They aren't being stopped from going.

One thing I would say is I hope the club, and if not the club maybe the trust, ensure there is transport for those, particularly kids and the old boys, that can't drive there or walk from New St.

It’ll be 12 till 7 for a home game rather than 2-6 quite a difference

 

[Nick]

It’ll be 12 till 7 for a home game rather than 2-6 quite a difference

Are you planning on walking?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Reasons have been confirmed from SISU's side at least. See above

Wasps demanded a further agreement to be signed both by the Football Club and SISU. This agreement introduced conditions that would unreasonably restrict the Club and SISU’s basic legal rights and would commit the Club and SISU to underwrite Wasps’ costs and any future damages.

This does seem to confirm the indemnity was if the EU complaint was deemed unfounded, as it mentions Wasps's future damages.

 

[theferret]

They cannot really because they all voted for the WASPs sale - probably all worried about being impeached or what the correct term is

Yeah, collective responsibility and all that. You'd like to think there would at least be one or two dissenters in there who would put their neck on the line and speak out. CCFC is this city's biggest civic asset. Nothing has the power to move and unite the city like the football club can and has in the past. Shame on all of them.

 

[Nick]

It’s not in Coventry nick

So? Do you think a 4 year old realises that?