Women's World Cup 2019 (12 Viewers)

[Gazolba]

In case you didn't know the Women's World Cup starts in 2 days time and will conclude on July 7th.
The hosts are France and both England and Scotland are competing.
England are one of the favourites and currently managed by Phil Neville.
www.bbc.com/sport/football/48503530

 

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[oscillatewildly]

The media pc overdrive for the womens game has left me felling at best, 'indifferent'.
Won't be watching any of it.

 

[Gazolba]

The media pc overdrive for the womens game has left me felling at best, 'indifferent'.
Won't be watching any of it.

I'll be watching all of England's games and all of the USA's games.
I've been watching women's football for about 20 years, it's nothing new to me.
To me, it's just as entertaining as the men's game, sometimes more so.
No-one's forcing you to watch it or even read articles about it.

 

[Otis]

I'll certainly watch England's games. Looking forwards to it.

 

[oscillatewildly]

I'll be watching all of England's games and all of the USA's games.
I've been watching women's football for about 20 years, it's nothing new to me.
To me, it's just as entertaining as the men's game, sometimes more so.
No-one's forcing you to watch it or even read articles about it.

You're right - no one will force me to watch it. Read about it however is a different matter - see my comment on the media saturation of what is very much a minority sport.

 

[Gazolba]

You're right - no one will force me to watch it. Read about it however is a different matter - see my comment on the media saturation of what is very much a minority sport.

No-one's forcing you to read about it either. And there is no media 'saturation', certainly not compared to Brexit or Trump's visit.
There are a couple of links on the BBC website, the main one is quite hard to find unless you go looking for it.
Also it's hardly a minor sport and hasn't been for many years.
In terms of participation, it's huge among girls and there are now professional leagues in many countries.
The women's WC final in the USA in the 1990's had an attendance over 90,000.

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

The media pc overdrive for the womens game has left me felling at best, 'indifferent'.
Won't be watching any of it.

Such a strange response. A bit of promotion of female football and you won’t watch it out of spite? I’d recommend a period of self-reflection on why it makes you feel that way.


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[dutchman]

I only watch it for the group hugs!

 

[dutchman]

And the practice sessions...

 

[Covstu]

I only watch it for the group hugs!

I now support Holland and Sweden

 

[oscillatewildly]

Such a strange response. A bit of promotion of female football and you won’t watch it out of spite? I’d recommend a period of self-reflection on why it makes you feel that way.


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Thanks for the 'recommendation', but it's really not needed.
I don't get the hyping of what is essentially the re-invention of the wheel - but as an inferior product.
I've caught some brief glimpses of the womens soccer show on Sunday evenings and Manchester City, who I believe finished as WPL champions, attract crowds on a par with Cov United.
How does it merit the exposure it gets?

 

[oscillatewildly]

No-one's forcing you to read about it either. And there is no media 'saturation', certainly not compared to Brexit or Trump's visit.
There are a couple of links on the BBC website, the main one is quite hard to find unless you go looking for it.
Also it's hardly a minor sport and hasn't been for many years.
In terms of participation, it's huge among girls and there are now professional leagues in many countries.
The women's WC final in the USA in the 1990's had an attendance over 90,000.

I love the fact that the sport is so popular amongst everyone - worldwide. I can't help feeling tho, that the majority of those 90,000 spectators didn't even pay to watch that WCF.
I recently caught a comment by one of the England womens national team players (you'll have to forgive me, I don't recall her name.) I would have laughed if it were not for me choking on my cornflakes. She made the suggestion that the womens national team would have to win the world cup before they could 'justifiably' make a claim for parity of pay with that of the men.
Vastly over paid some (most even) of the men may be, but it's them and their founding organisations who have built this product as a world wide attraction
Seems to me the ladies are attempting to gate crash this gig.
The womens game has improved incredibly - not just skilfully but with fitness levels and standard of coaching and has come a long way in the past couple of decades since the stifled tittering of Messrs Gray and Keys in the sky studios as the highlights of the womens FA cup final were played. Out of curiosity, if the womens national team or champions Man City were allowed to compete against their male counterparts, at what level of the non league pyramid do you genuinely believe they could at least hold their own? I have my guess, see if we match.

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

I love the fact that the sport is so popular amongst everyone - worldwide. I can't help feeling tho, that the majority of those 90,000 spectators didn't even pay to watch that WCF.
I recently caught a comment by one of the England womens national team players (you'll have to forgive me, I don't recall her name.) I would have laughed if it were not for me choking on my cornflakes. She made the suggestion that the womens national team would have to win the world cup before they could 'justifiably' make a claim for parity of pay with that of the men.
Vastly over paid some (most even) of the men may be, but it's them and their founding organisations who have built this product as a world wide attraction
Seems to me the ladies are attempting to gate crash this gig.
The womens game has improved incredibly - not just skilfully but with fitness levels and standard of coaching and has come a long way in the past couple of decades since the stifled tittering of Messrs Gray and Keys in the sky studios as the highlights of the womens FA cup final were played. Out of curiosity, if the womens national team or champions Man City were allowed to compete against their male counterparts, at what level of the non league pyramid do you genuinely believe they could at least hold their own? I have my guess, see if we match.

That isn't really the point though is it? Serena Williams probably wouldn't compete in the top 200 male tennis players. The fastest female athletes probably wouldn't even qualify for the men's version at the Olympics. Katie Taylor probably wouldn't lay a glove on Mayweather etc etc etc. A huge amount of people still watch it and rightly so. Would you refuse to watch your kid play in a Sunday league game because the standard was shite? No one is saying you have to watch it, as you have pointed out you won't be, but it seems ridiculous to come on to a thread where people want to watch and discuss it and just say 'WELL THEY ARENT AS GOOD AS THE MEN!' If you want to wank off to men being the superior sporting gender then go you, but the rest of us probably want to watch and appreciate our ladies playing football.

 

[oscillatewildly]

That isn't really the point though is it? Serena Williams probably wouldn't compete in the top 200 male tennis players. The fastest female athletes probably wouldn't even qualify for the men's version at the Olympics. Katie Taylor probably wouldn't lay a glove on Mayweather etc etc etc. A huge amount of people still watch it and rightly so. Would you refuse to watch your kid play in a Sunday league game because the standard was shite? No one is saying you have to watch it, as you have pointed out you won't be, but it seems ridiculous to come on to a thread where people want to watch and discuss it and just say 'WELL THEY ARENT AS GOOD AS THE MEN!' If you want to wank off to men being the superior sporting gender then go you, but the rest of us probably want to watch and appreciate our ladies playing football.

Oh dear, you appear to have got yourself into a little tizzy wizzy.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

There was a story on the radio this morning about the US women's goalkeeper (or is it net minder?) saying that it was evidence of sexism being entrenched in football that the prize money is less for the Women's World Cup than the Men's.
Really? And where do you think the prize money comes from? ATTENDANCE FEES, that's where! When you can generally fit crowds for women's football matches in the Butts Park Arena, rather than Old Trafford (or even the Ricoh), you might have your answer.
A lot of it will also come from sponsorship deals, but revenue from that will be directly linked to viewing figures, which WILL be lower.
An indication of how little the TV rights cost is that it's being shown on the Beeb, who don't spend anything on sport these days.

 

[CanadianCCFC]

There was a story on the radio this morning about the US women's goalkeeper (or is it net minder?) saying that it was evidence of sexism being entrenched in football that the prize money is less for the Women's World Cup than the Men's.
Really? And where do you think the prize money comes from? ATTENDANCE FEES, that's where! When you can generally fit crowds for women's football matches in the Butts Park Arena, rather than Old Trafford (or even the Ricoh), you might have your answer.
A lot of it will also come from sponsorship deals, but revenue from that will be directly linked to viewing figures, which WILL be lower.
An indication of how little the TV rights cost is that it's being shown on the Beeb, who don't spend anything on sport these days.

I think what you’re trying to say is that it’s all FIFA’s fault.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I'll be watching it - it can be just as exciting (and sometimes more so) than the men. What makes a sport is parity of opposition so having a shit team playing is fine if they're playing another shit team. Watching the likes of Man City in what is often a glorified training session grows thin pretty quickly as a spectacle even when you can appreciate how good they are.

I think there are a handful of decent teams and then quite a drop in standard but you can argue that's the same as the mens. Mind you, we lost to NZ the other day.

However, I think Hope Solo was talking absolutely bollocks. Women don't get comparative pay because it doesn't generate the same revenues as the men's game. Broadcasting rights, attendances and match receipts etc are all much lower.

What needs to be done is look at the income generated from the mens world cup and the percentage given out as prize money etc and then do the same for the women. Only then do you get a proper comparison of prize money.

 

[dutchman]

Another group hug...

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Thanks for the 'recommendation', but it's really not needed.
I don't get the hyping of what is essentially the re-invention of the wheel - but as an inferior product.
I've caught some brief glimpses of the womens soccer show on Sunday evenings and Manchester City, who I believe finished as WPL champions, attract crowds on a par with Cov United.
How does it merit the exposure it gets?

The BBC in particular have gone completely OTT about women's football and are giving it no end of air time in the hope that we'll all be converted so they can satisfy themselves that they are doing all they can to help us forget the gender inequalities they for so long employed , and doing a bit for PR at the same time They even have lady pundits now at FA cup finals and on MOTD. All well and good but what can they add that an experienced male league player can't ?
I can understand women being interested in it but why would you watch football that is slower and weaker than what you're used to in the men's game ?

 

[Otis]

Sorry, but I don't get that thinking at all. So we shouldn't watch women's football, women's cricket, women's rugby, women's hockey, women's golf, women's tennis women's athletics.


Just women's netball then?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

That isn't really the point though is it? Serena Williams probably wouldn't compete in the top 200 male tennis players. The fastest female athletes probably wouldn't even qualify for the men's version at the Olympics. Katie Taylor probably wouldn't lay a glove on Mayweather etc etc etc. A huge amount of people still watch it and rightly so. Would you refuse to watch your kid play in a Sunday league game because the standard was shite? No one is saying you have to watch it, as you have pointed out you won't be, but it seems ridiculous to come on to a thread where people want to watch and discuss it and just say 'WELL THEY ARENT AS GOOD AS THE MEN!' If you want to wank off to men being the superior sporting gender then go you, but the rest of us probably want to watch and appreciate our ladies playing football.

I guess it's a case of if people only want to watch the best - they should go buy a Man City or Liverpool season ticket. Or maybe not waste time & money watching anything less than Champion's League matches?

Some do mock (or criticise, belittle...or maybe are trying to protect another traditional male bastion from female intrusion...but they aren't sexist of course) ladies football but wouldn't be able to compete against them themselves at the standard that is televised.

The exposure is about helping to build the female game up. Mainly because someone has decided there is a shitload of money along the way. Wages & costs are relatively low, as are sponsorship deals - but there is much exposure to generate income which slips nicely into someone's back pocket

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[Otis]

I just see women's football as different and don't compare the two.

I like watching the women's cricket too. I know it is at a much inferior level, but you have two teams just playing at the same inferior level.

I love American football and used to watch the Cov team here. It was obviously awful compared to NFL level, but I still enjoyed it. I just had much lower expectation.

 

[Gazolba]

I just see women's football as different and don't compare the two.

I like watching the women's cricket too. I know it is at a much inferior level, but you have two teams just playing at the same inferior level.

I love American football and used to watch the Cov team here. It was obviously awful compared to NFL level, but I still enjoyed it. I just had much lower expectation.

I've watched videos of women's cricket on Youtube and it's fantastic, just as entertaining as the men.
And you can see the women take it every bit as seriously. It's ultra-competetive.

 

[Macca]

Kind of bonkers that a women's World Cup football game that doesn't even involve England gets a prime Friday evening slot. Not sure it is proportional to the interest

 

[Gazolba]

Thanks for the 'recommendation', but it's really not needed.
I don't get the hyping of what is essentially the re-invention of the wheel - but as an inferior product.
I've caught some brief glimpses of the womens soccer show on Sunday evenings and Manchester City, who I believe finished as WPL champions, attract crowds on a par with Cov United.
How does it merit the exposure it gets?

You're a little bit out of touch if you think women's top games only attract crowds the same as Coventry United!
The games at the women's WC are taking place at major stadiums in France, and most of the big games are SOLD OUT.
It merits the exposure it gets because 50% of the world's population are women.

 

[Gazolba]

Kind of bonkers that a women's World Cup football game that doesn't even involve England gets a prime Friday evening slot. Not sure it is proportional to the interest

Since the women's game is marketed more to women than the men's game is, it's an opportunity for advertisers to reach a different target audience. I'm betting you will see far more advertising of female oriented products.

 

[chiefdave]

The games at the women's WC are taking place at major stadiums in France, and most of the big games are SOLD OUT

The tickets are £8 to £26!

Edit: Just had a look out of curiosity and the only game not still on sale is the game in 45 mins, none of the other games are showing as sold out.

 

[SBAndy]

The BBC in particular have gone completely OTT about women's football and are giving it no end of air time in the hope that we'll all be converted so they can satisfy themselves that they are doing all they can to help us forget the gender inequalities they for so long employed , and doing a bit for PR at the same time They even have lady pundits now at FA cup finals and on MOTD. All well and good but what can they add that an experienced male league player can't ?
I can understand women being interested in it but why would you watch football that is slower and weaker than what you're used to in the men's game ?

1. The BBC are pushing it because they have the television rights to it. It’s the same as anything else, you are essentially advertising for people to watch something on your channel.

2. If you’ve ever watched football coverage with Alex Scott and Paul Ince punditing you’d understand that women can often be more intelligent than men in that role.

3. I’m glad my 9 year old brother’s football tournament has been cancelled this morning. Who’d want to watch that when they’re not even as quick and strong as women, let alone men?

 

[Marty]

The standard of football is absolutely shocking, got no issue with it at all being on the BBC though.

Handball is a class women's sport though.

 

[Gazolba]

I think the skill level is excellent and almost on a par with the men's game.
Some of the goals France scored against S.Korea were magnificent.
Goals any man would have been proud of scoring.
You can't compare the women's game to mens football just as you wouldn't compare men's tennis to women's tennis.
If you've watched women's football over the years (I've been watching for over 20 years), you'd realize the game is advancing at an incredible rate.
The skills the women have today are way beyond what they had 20 years ago.
Did you ever look at a men's football game from the 1950's?
They were awful. Today's top women are way fitter and more skillful.

 

[shepardo01]

Out of curiosity, if the womens national team or champions Man City were allowed to compete against their male counterparts, at what level of the non league pyramid do you genuinely believe they could at least hold their own? I have my guess, see if we match.

Here is a barometer of standard.
Rugby Towns U18s Academy side played Man Utd Ladies and won 3:2
I read somwhere also that a few years back, the USA womens national team played a world cup warm up game against a Mens University side and lost. The US team were world champions.
However, womens football is growing and engaging many many young girls/people in this country and that can only be a good thing.

 

[Gazolba]

Here is a barometer of standard.
Rugby Towns U18s Academy side played Man Utd Ladies and won 3:2
I read somwhere also that a few years back, the USA womens national team played a world cup warm up game against a Mens University side and lost. The US team were world champions.
However, womens football is growing and engaging many many young girls/people in this country and that can only be a good thing.

Why do people keep comparing the men's game to the women's game?
Women play against women and men play against men.
Women's skill level is equal. Where they (obviously) lack is strength and speed.
We can see from athletics that women aren't as fast as men, they can't jump as high, they can't throw things as far nor lift things as heavy.
I don't believe that makes them inferior. It's simply a biological difference.

 

[shepardo01]

Why do people keep comparing the men's game to the women's game?
Women play against women and men play against men.
Women's skill level is equal. Where they (obviously) lack is strength and speed.
We can see from athletics that women aren't as fast as men, they can't jump as high, they can't throw things as far nor lift things as heavy.
I don't believe that makes them inferior. It's simply a biological difference.

Somebody asked.
I had an idea backed up with some info so responded.

 

[Covstu]

I think the skill level is excellent and almost on a par with the men's game.
Some of the goals France scored against S.Korea were magnificent.
Goals any man would have been proud of scoring.
You can't compare the women's game to mens football just as you wouldn't compare men's tennis to women's tennis.
If you've watched women's football over the years (I've been watching for over 20 years), you'd realize the game is advancing at an incredible rate.
The skills the women have today are way beyond what they had 20 years ago.
Did you ever look at a men's football game from the 1950's?
They were awful. Today's top women are way fitter and more skillful.

Agree the game has developed leaps and bounds over the years and it’s a shame that there is so much distain for the sport which the automatic comparisons to the men’s game.

 

[oscillatewildly]

Why do people keep comparing the men's game to the women's game?
Women play against women and men play against men.
Women's skill level is equal. Where they (obviously) lack is strength and speed.
We can see from athletics that women aren't as fast as men, they can't jump as high, they can't throw things as far nor lift things as heavy.
I don't believe that makes them inferior. It's simply a biological difference.

Why are some people so guarded/defensive when the question is brought up as to where the top level of the womens game could be on a par with the mens?
Far from it being a mocking exercise, my question was offered out of a genuine interest to hear other views. (For the record, I don't think the top level womens game would be disgraced in the feeder league directly below the national league.)
I chose the mens game of association rules football for the sake of a 'level playing field'. What do you think would have been a better barometer for comparison, camel racing in Dubai or maybe international quilt making?