Seppala Interview on Sky Sports News (7 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

Is it? How does forcing ccfc out do that?

It draws a line in the negotiation, and shows that they won't accept the boundaries changing, and they have a position that is not worth trying to pull at the edges.

At some stage, every negotiation has to have a red line. This is Wasps'.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

What you're saying isn't logical though it spite. Sisu have started this action so we're going to kick the club out. Logic is objectively analysing the situation and working out what is best. In this case that is to keep the revenue that Boddy reported as being around £2m per year at the Ricoh.

L<ogic says that you have to have a red line somewhere, otherwise everyone takes you for a ride. In the wider context, you have to show you're serious.

 

[Liquid Gold]

It draws a line in the negotiation, and shows that they won't accept the boundaries changing, and they have a position that is not worth trying to pull at the edges.

At some stage, every negotiation has to have a red line. This is Wasps'.

But they haven't drawn that boundary as they already put the EC investigation to one side. Their own words.

 

[Nick]

It draws a line in the negotiation, and shows that they won't accept the boundaries changing, and they have a position that is not worth trying to pull at the edges.

At some stage, every negotiation has to have a red line. This is Wasps'.

It doesn't draw a line because it doesn't stop the EU stuff.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But they haven't drawn that boundary as they already put the EC investigation to one side. Their own words.

Well... leaving that aside, they're doubtful about what might come next - their own words.

Seppala's interview doesn't reassure that they're wrong on that, either.

Again(!) SISU have been shown to have acted in bad faith, SISU have been shown to have sought loopholes wherever possible, and push at the edges, and be somewhat disengenuous.

if you were Wasps... would you sign a deal with such an entity?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

What I have noticed between the council/wasps etc - is that they can differentiate between the council and ACL but can’t differentiate between CCFC/ Otium and SISU

That would put the cat among the pigeons, John Stretton and Chris West

Their logic - SISU = CCFC, Council - not ACL

 

[Liquid Gold]

Well... leaving that aside, they're doubtful about what might come next - their own words.

Seppala's interview doesn't reassure that they're wrong on that, either.

Again(!) SISU have been shown to have acted in bad faith, SISU have been shown to have sought loopholes wherever possible, and push at the edges, and be somewhat disengenuous.

if you were Wasps... would you sign a deal with such an entity?

You can't just leave things aside because they don't fit your argument

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You can't just leave things aside because they don't fit your argument

Eh?!? I'm continuing the quote! The exact quote is:

we have unfortunately been unable to reach an agreement with the owners which, putting aside the complaint to the European Commission, would deliver the fundamental principle that there would be no further proceedings about the ownership of the Ricoh Arena.

Now.. that suggests dispute over said fundamental principal. 'putting aside' could be open to interpretation and should be clarified, too.

 

[Ricketts]

Hope they put the full video up rather than 30-40 second clips here and there.

With you on this. I've bought 400 Gillette razors and joined the army twice. Now PLEASE show the whole fucking video.

I loved Joy's comment about how a Premier Rugby club are about the same level as a League One football club. They've topped out, whereas the sky is the limit for us.

The council always wanted to own the football club. No suprise there. Always been control freaks.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Eh?!? I'm continuing the quote! The exact quote is:



Now.. that suggests dispute over said fundamental principal. 'putting aside' could be open to interpretation and should be clarified, too.

Ok, I didn't realise that's what you were doing. That is already a demand that had not been previously put on the club. We all accept sisu are duplicitous bastards. I don't know why you're trying to make out London Wasps aren't following an equally duplicitous path as an excuse to avoid consequences to their actions.

 

[Nick]

Well... leaving that aside, they're doubtful about what might come next - their own words.

Seppala's interview doesn't reassure that they're wrong on that, either.

Again(!) SISU have been shown to have acted in bad faith, SISU have been shown to have sought loopholes wherever possible, and push at the edges, and be somewhat disengenuous.

if you were Wasps... would you sign a deal with such an entity?

I'd personally sign a short term rolling deal with ccfc with the emphasis on whatever sisu signed about the legals.

That's if I wasn't working with somebody trying to buy the club and wanted to distress it to try and force a takeover though, else I'd force the club out and get the pr campaign running with the club's own fans groups. I'd also encourage protests to stir things up.

That's if we are assuming that wasps don't act in bad faith or push loopholes themselves.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Ok, I didn't realise that's what you were doing. That is already a demand that had not been previously put on the club. We all accept sisu are duplicitous bastards. I don't know why you're trying to make out London Wasps aren't following an equally duplicitous path as an excuse to avoid consequences to their actions.

tbh, I'm making what I thought was a remarkably uncontroversial statement, that given SISU are duplicitous bastardfs, is it surprising people won't deal with them?

 

[Nick]

tbh, I'm making what I thought was a remarkably uncontroversial statement, that given SISU are duplicitous bastardfs, is it surprising people won't deal with them?

Yeah which is understandable if you are talking your honest everyday business. We are talking people giving false evidence to auditors to mislead bondholders.

 

[MalcSB]

That's fine, but I think most would agree that if Wasps are after indemnity, they're asking the wrong party - they should be demanding this from CCC. Why are they not doing this?

It would probably be illegal state aid.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

No, you’re right about Wasps - but as coventrians, and Coventry City fans we should be disgusted about an out of town entity kicking out a historic city icon in the football club.

And wasps should be shunned... we as a city are Famous for that

Absolutely ! On this occasion the blame for CCFC not playing in Coventry next season lies fairly and squarely with Wasps who ridiculously expect SISU to indemnify them. No business would agree to such a ridiculous demand. I find it strange that some wish to boycott St Andrew's next season when the decision not to play in Coventry was not of SISU'S making. How will boycotting help CCFC address the situation. Our attempts should be to distress Wasps with adverse publicity.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Absolutely ! On this occasion the blame for CCFC not playing in Coventry next season lies fairly and squarely with Wasps who ridiculously expect SISU to indemnify them. No business would agree to such a ridiculous demand. I find it strange that some wish to boycott St Andrew's next season when the decision not to play in Coventry was not of SISU'S making. How will boycotting help CCFC address the situation. Our attempts should be to distress Wasps with adverse publicity.

What actions mean an indemnity is even discussed?

To suggest it's solely CC / Wasps and SISU are innocent is as mad as suggesting it was all evil SISU last time out, and there should have been no criticism for CCC / ACL. It's all in the presentation, and trusting no-one is far healthier than going team SISU, or team CCC.

 

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This is from today's telegraph fucking so annoying.

 

[ccfc92]

This is from today's telegraph fucking so annoying.

They should just publicly release an offer , rather than releasing this bullshit.

"You can play here for terms already agreed, not indemnity etc"

Then we would see who's lying.

 

[chiefdave]

They should just publicly release an offer , rather than releasing this bullshit.

This is what drives me insane with the Telegraph and also Gilbert. Ask follow up questions!!! When he says they want CCFC at the Ricoh push him on how that can happen.

At the moment it seems the only reason that is not happening is because he has put impossible demands in place. Instead of letting him spout off and printing any old rubbish why can't someone actually act like a journalist.

 

[Nick]

This is what drives me insane with the Telegraph and also Gilbert. Ask follow up questions!!! When he says they want CCFC at the Ricoh push him on how that can happen.

At the moment it seems the only reason that is not happening is because he has put impossible demands in place. Instead of letting him spout off and printing any old rubbish why can't someone actually act like a journalist.

Let's face it, all they can do is copy and paste and rewrite.

 

[ccfc92]

This is what drives me insane with the Telegraph and also Gilbert. Ask follow up questions!!! When he says they want CCFC at the Ricoh push him on how that can happen.

At the moment it seems the only reason that is not happening is because he has put impossible demands in place. Instead of letting him spout off and printing any old rubbish why can't someone actually act like a journalist.

Because they're not journalists. They just post random clickbait shite.

Personally, if I was doing that job, I would want to get actual info to get some headline news, not just a load of nothing.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

I’ve found all these interview very interesting.

I have one question.

What will it take for Coventry to come back to the Ricoh?

 

[oldfiver]

Let's face it, all they can do is copy and paste and rewrite.

He says WASPS do not want to buy the Club - I suspect he means get them for nothing!

 

[Paul Anthony]

This is what drives me insane with the Telegraph and also Gilbert. Ask follow up questions!!! When he says they want CCFC at the Ricoh push him on how that can happen.

"Well, SISU could drop the legals" would probably be the standard response. But you're certainly right, if he had any credibility, he should be pressing the point. Our local media have, by and large, failed to do so.

 

[chiefdave]

Personally, if I was doing that job, I would want to get actual info to get some headline news, not just a load of nothing.

Imagine if you were a young journalist in Cov straight out of college on a piss poor wage. You've got a story on your doorstep that could be national news and make your career. I'd be all over it.

Instead the Telegraph and CWR seem to be staffed with people afraid to upset Wasps by asking any questions.

 

[duffer]

Again, it ties up resources in the meantime, diverts them from other avenues, means potentially money has to be set aside dependent on risk, and also restricts the sponsorship opportunities and therefore income, as people are averse to going all-in until they see if there's fire to go with the smoke.

It's not an uncommon legal tactic.

Absolutely, and it's unlikely that SISU raised the complaint to benefit the good people of Coventry.

That doesn't alter the point that Wasps have been arguing that the Ricoh deal was absolutely above board, whilst now simultaneously demanding that they are indemnified against the fact that it may not have been.

The interesting thing to me, is that there would seem to be no path for SISU to sue Wasps directly if they agreed to forego further legal action. In which case, who would be able to demand damages from Wasps?

The EC doesn't apply damages even if the complaint against CCC is upheld, as I understand it. So the only action I can see is another bash at the Council, by SISU, in the Civil court (ding-ding, seconds out, round three).

I'd see this a straight claim for damages rather than a JR, in which case no risk to Wasps.

OK, I'm stretching a little here, but is that demand for an indemnity actually designed to protect CCC? And if so, why?

From the very start of all of this the relationship between Wasps and CCC has been deeply suspicious. I'm very happy to see it under the spotlight.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Absolutely, and it's unlikely that SISU raised the complaint to benefit the good people of Coventry.

That doesn't alter the point that Wasps have been arguing that the Ricoh deal was absolutely above board, whilst now simultaneously demanding that they are indemnified against the fact that it may not have been.

The interesting thing to me, is that there would seem to be no path for SISU to sue Wasps directly if they agreed to forego further legal action. In which case, who would be able to demand damages from Wasps?

The EC doesn't apply damages even if the complaint against CCC is upheld, as I understand it. So the only action I can see is another bash at the Council, by SISU, in the Civil court (ding-ding, seconds out, round three).

I'd see this a straight claim for damages rather than a JR, in which case no risk to Wasps.

OK, I'm stretching a little here, but is that demand for an indemnity actually designed to protect CCC? And if so, why?

From the very start of all of this the relationship between Wasps and CCC has been deeply suspicious. I'm very happy to see it under the spotlight.

Good post

 

[duffer]

Good post

Very kind, thank you. I'd better stop now before I ruin it!

 

[shepardo01]

From the very start of all of this the relationship between Wasps and CCC has been deeply suspicious. I'm very happy to see it under the spotlight.

Totally agree.... however, we do not have a local media who are inclined to go in this direction... and we have a council who, after yesterday's statements on sky are looking like downright liars! ("ACL independent from Council"!)
Nobody was in a strong enough media position to challenge this!... Tweeted Gilbert about it and he produced a link and basically said "people could look at it in different ways..."
Have always said Wasps in bed with council... and Council should not even be getting involved with CCFC deal with Wasps....

 

[Jcap]

To pay himself 10m back too wasnt it as well?

to be fair 10m of his own money he had invested (he's still owed a lot more) - think I would pay myself some of it back too.

 

[torchomatic]

and we have a council who, after yesterday's statements on sky are looking like downright liars! ("ACL independent from Council"!)

Yes, that's the bit that made me laugh.

Martin Reeves (cough), Chris West (cough)

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

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CT's journalists are shit! If they had any passion of working for a Coventry newspaper they need to ask some straight questions to the owners of the Ricoh as to why the deal fell through.

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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Yeah

to be fair 10m of his own money he had invested (he's still owed a lot more) - think I would pay myself some of it back too.

this action is the main thing the council were very much against...

 

[Jcap]

Yeah

this action is the main thing the council were very much against...

they were against SISU doing it but then down the line let Wasps do it, go figure