Another idiot (8 Viewers)

[Deleted member 2477]

What is it with these kids. Fame gone to their heads and think they are johny big bollocks

Stress saw promising young footballer lead police on high speed pursuit

 

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[shmmeee]

What is it with these kids. Fame gone to their heads and think they are johny big bollocks

Stress saw promising young footballer lead police on high speed pursuit

I dunno guys, maybe making teenagers rich beyond avarice before they’re done anything isn’t the best way to produce well balanced people.

 

[ccfcway]

I dunno guys, maybe making teenagers rich beyond avarice before they’re done anything isn’t the best way to produce well balanced people.

not sure how £110 a week Is classed a rich, but your point stands

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

This is an extremely bizarre thread. The lad has clearly had some sort of breakdown and suffers with mental health issues probably due to the pressures of being a footballer in the modern day and living away from home. Why does that mean he's an idiot?

What a sheltered, uneducated and closed-minded life you must lead if you cannot differentiate between someone who struggles with mental health issues and "idiots."

 

[Deleted member 2477]

This is an extremely bizarre thread. The lad has clearly had some sort of breakdown and suffers with mental health issues probably due to the pressures of being a footballer in the modern day and living away from home. Why does that mean he's an idiot?

What a sheltered, uneducated and closed-minded life you must lead if you cannot differentiate between someone who struggles with mental health issues and "idiots."

For your information i have over 20 years of professional experience dealing with people with mh and driving at 130 mph nearly killing innocent members of the public and failing to stop is not a reason for mh. He gave his defence as not being able to cope with the stress of being a team captain. Well boo hoo and if you believe that to be justification your even more of a gullible fool than you sound

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

For your information i have over 20 years of professional experience dealing with people with mh and driving at 130 mph nearly killing innocent members of the public and failing to stop is not a reason for mh. He gave his defence as not being able to cope with the stress of being a team captain. Well boo hoo and if you believe that to be justification your even more of a gullible fool than you sound

I am more than a little concerned if you have in excess of 20 years of experience of dealing with mental health and have just come out with some of the things you have done.

 

[PCH]

This is an extremely bizarre thread. The lad has clearly had some sort of breakdown and suffers with mental health issues probably due to the pressures of being a footballer in the modern day and living away from home. Why does that mean he's an idiot?

What a sheltered, uneducated and closed-minded life you must lead if you cannot differentiate between someone who struggles with mental health issues and "idiots."

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Think there is a difference between idiotic behaviour and someone who has clearly has some sort of breakdown. Not condoning it either way.

 

[skybluesam66]

I am more than a little concerned if you have in excess of 20 years of experience of dealing with mental health and have just come out with some of the things you have done.

I agree with Marcsup and so would you if one of your children was harmed by him choosing to drive at 130mph

unless it was a true suicide mission , which i doubt - then there is no defence
Would you defend somebody aimlessly shooting a gun in a shopping centre because they were stressed

Driving at 130mph is no different

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

For your information i have over 20 years of professional experience dealing with people with mh and driving at 130 mph nearly killing innocent members of the public and failing to stop is not a reason for mh. He gave his defence as not being able to cope with the stress of being a team captain. Well boo hoo and if you believe that to be justification your even more of a gullible fool than you sound

I feel dreadfully sorry for those you're dealing with then if can't spot what is clearly a mental breakdown. I'd seriously recommend you find a different career.

What does him being a team captain have anything to do with it? Some of the most successful people on the planet have come out and admitted their mental health problems - let alone an 18 year old trying to make it into the game. Just because he's a footballer doesn't mean he can't feel stress. Mental health does not discriminate regardless status or job description. He's 18 years old living away from home. Moving away from home for the first time is a huge step for someone of that age. Plus, you have no idea what that lad is going through. Worrying you don't seem to understand these things when you've apparently had 20 years experience with mental health.

Failing to stop isn't anything to do with mental health? Why is it not? If you're in the middle of what is clearly a breakdown, you're in mental distress. The last thing on the lad's mind was probably stopping - especially considering he was threatening suicide. Funnily enough I don't think he was in the right frame of mind to be cooperative with police officers.

 

[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

I agree with Marcsup and so would you if one of your children was harmed by him choosing to drive at 130mph

unless it was a true suicide mission , which i doubt - then there is no defence
Would you defend somebody aimlessly shooting a gun in a shopping centre because they were stressed

Driving at 130mph is no different

I am not condoing what he did at all it is entirely wreckless and as you quite rightly said he could have killed someone, but to suggest "not being able to cope with the stress of being a team captain. Well boo hoo" and "driving at 130 mph nearly killing innocent members of the public and failing to stop is not a reason for mh". Mental Health, doesn't have a 'reason'. It's illogical and entirely irrational. I am extremely worried if people who work in our mental heath care system believe this. Also this isn't 'Idiot' behaviour, it's desperate behaviour. An idiot doesn't threaten to kill himself, they laugh it off and act the big man.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

We won't know whether he was suffering mentally or was just being a prick so theres little point on speculating on him. I'm just glad I wasn't on the M40 that night.

 

[pastythegreat]

I dunno guys, maybe making teenagers rich beyond avarice before they’re done anything isn’t the best way to produce well balanced people.

Well, there's nothing wrong with Britney Spears, Justin Beiber, Lindsay Lohan or Macauly Culkin! These are all very normal teenage stars! ;-)
Must not be managing young footballers properly.

 

[clint van damme]

For your information i have over 20 years of professional experience dealing with people with mh and driving at 130 mph nearly killing innocent members of the public and failing to stop is not a reason for mh. He gave his defence as not being able to cope with the stress of being a team captain. Well boo hoo and if you believe that to be justification your even more of a gullible fool than you sound

There's a difference between justifying something and giving a reason for why it occurred

 

[skyblu3sk]

I think the fact he had to be talked off a bridge speaks volumes especially if an officer is the one reporting it. Most people would just run. The idea he hasn't had some sort of mental break is crazy. I don't see any mention of drink involved unless I missed it...

 

[shmmeee]

There's a difference between justifying something and giving a reason for why it occurred

Except the MH issues were given as justification.

As someone who has battled MH issues including suicide ideation and a breakdown, at no point did I lose the ability to know right from wrong. It’s not a get out of jail free card. No one of sound mind commits violent crimes full stop, should they all be set free?

 

[clint van damme]

Except the MH issues were given as justification.

As someone who has battled MH issues including suicide ideation and a breakdown, at no point did I lose the ability to know right from wrong. It’s not a get out of jail free card. No one of sound mind commits violent crimes full stop, should they all be set free?

You should check out some Robert Sapolsky!

 

[skyblu3sk]

Except the MH issues were given as justification.

As someone who has battled MH issues including suicide ideation and a breakdown, at no point did I lose the ability to know right from wrong. It’s not a get out of jail free card. No one of sound mind commits violent crimes full stop, should they all be set free?

No but he should get any help necessary during his punishment and state of mind should be taken in to account if he was truly having MH issues. Should also be assessed for future danger to the public.

 

[shmmeee]

No but he should get any help necessary during his punishment and state of mind should be taken in to account if he was truly having MH issues. Should also be assessed for future danger to the public.

So should pretty much every criminal.

I mean the definition of a mental health issue is you don’t act like most people pretty much (This is part of why stuff like homosexuality being in the DSM was a thing). So most of not all criminals have some form of mental illness because they break the law.

It’s a fascinating discussion and I don’t pretend it’s settled but that doesn’t mean I can’t have a view. Another is poverty, if you’re raised in poverty the chances of you committing crime go way up, so should we be lenient to poorer people? Or people raised poorly? Where does nature and nurture end and personal responsibility begin?

Personally I’m for crimes being crimes but also all sentences coming with a package of help for whatever the major issues are (drugs, illiteracy, MH, lack of employability, etc)

 

[shmmeee]

You should check out some Robert Sapolsky!

Had a quick google. Not sure of the relevance of stress in primates to the ethics of personal responsibility TBH. Just because say judgement is impaired doesn’t mean it’s a free pass. Judgement is impaired when you’re tired or drunk or in love or all sorts of mental states. How do you decide which ones impair it *enough* for it not to be your fault.

As I say, slippery slope. I’d rather deal in solid facts of what happened and let the judge take extenuating circumstances into account during sentencing.

 

[clint van damme]

Had a quick google. Not sure of the relevance of stress in primates to the ethics of personal responsibility TBH. Just because say judgement is impaired doesn’t mean it’s a free pass. Judgement is impaired when you’re tired or drunk or in love or all sorts of mental states. How do you decide which ones impair it *enough* for it not to be your fault.

As I say, slippery slope. I’d rather deal in solid facts of what happened and let the judge take extenuating circumstances into account during sentencing.

It must have been a quick Google if stress in primates is all you came back with.
And yes, the judge taking extenuating circumstances is what people were alluding to, I think.

 

[robbiekeane]

Had a quick google. Not sure of the relevance of stress in primates to the ethics of personal responsibility TBH. Just because say judgement is impaired doesn’t mean it’s a free pass. Judgement is impaired when you’re tired or drunk or in love or all sorts of mental states. How do you decide which ones impair it *enough* for it not to be your fault.

As I say, slippery slope. I’d rather deal in solid facts of what happened and let the judge take extenuating circumstances into account during sentencing.

Manage your chimp

 

[skyblu3sk]

So should pretty much every criminal.

I mean the definition of a mental health issue is you don’t act like most people pretty much (This is part of why stuff like homosexuality being in the DSM was a thing). So most of not all criminals have some form of mental illness because they break the law.

It’s a fascinating discussion and I don’t pretend it’s settled but that doesn’t mean I can’t have a view. Another is poverty, if you’re raised in poverty the chances of you committing crime go way up, so should we be lenient to poorer people? Or people raised poorly? Where does nature and nurture end and personal responsibility begin?

Personally I’m for crimes being crimes but also all sentences coming with a package of help for whatever the major issues are (drugs, illiteracy, MH, lack of employability, etc)

I guess my point was I don't think he went out to hurt anyone just completely lost his cool. Most criminals understand what they are doing but don't care!

 

[clint van damme]

Manage your chimp

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[robbiekeane]

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